The CD will be on Amazon any day now- they're taking their time. I'm a bit confused about the real life pictures thing... what sort of pics should I provide? Again, I new here and this can be an overwhelming site for newbies. I just don't understand the attitude I received- aren't we all in this together? I may just be another chick singer of yet another metal band, but I'm also a person. Thanks for the input

I'm not sure what you mean with "the attitude I received". I think Azmodes's answer wasn't disrespectful at all.

Well, I'll be more than happy to explain it, since I actually liked your music and I've also had many submissions rejected.

The thing is that, according to the rules, it is absolutely necessary that any band submitted has physical releases. Any kind of them. Compact discs, Vinyls, Tapes, DVD, etc. In your submission, yes, you provided links to sites selling your music, BUT NOT ON A PHYSICAL MEDIA. That's the thing.

Also, you mention that Amazon is going to be selling your album on CD any day. The answer that is normally given by mods on situations like that (when a band who's albums are about to be released) is that you'll have to wait until the physical CD comes out. This means that, right after Amazon starts selling it, you can resubmit the band, since until that very moment the physical album is avaliable and out.

Another way to prove that it physically exists, it by taking a couple of pictures of the CD, in which the case is clearly seen, and then submit them (or post the links here). That way the mods can be certain that it is a real band making real albums.

I should mention again that I'm NOT a mod. I'm a regular user, and yes, sometimes this site seems a little harsh, especially when starting to make bigger contributions, such as submitting bands. I've been there.

Also, if you're really the girl singing, congratulations. Your music is great, and your voice is beautiful.

A picture of the cd itself, a proof that it exists, what's hard to understand? We have the physical release rule, if you can give us a proof it was released, we'll accept the band. And yeah, Azmodes was polite and everything...

Lol, I guess I have a different view on being polite. "What's so hard to understand?" Or "First of all..." "Second of all..." And in the email, it said "Read the rules next time." Perhaps I'm taking this the wrong way...
Anyway, I'll try again once the CD is up. I appreciate the info, OpsiusCato. Thanks

Thanks for the compliments!

And yes, guys- I am Kristina (the singer). To be fair, I'm new at using forums like this. Usually Michael does this, so I apologize if I misunderstood anyone and appreciate being involved here

We have so many submissions and some people are tough to deal with, excuse me if I you thought I was rude. Your music is pretty good, by the way.

You're welcome. I'm glad I was able to help.

Thanks, guys- I appreciate that. I can only imagine what you must deal with everyday, so I don't want to add to your stress Enjoy the weekend and thanks for educating me!

Well, I'm really trying to be patient and polite here (I'm not always succeeding, I know), but do you know why it said that in the email (there's also a "please" in that sentence, just for the record )? Because obviously you didn't read them. There was nothing in the original submission to prove either metalness (samples to listen to) or physical release. It was just "they released an album", to paraphrase, if I recall correctly. What a submission requires is mentioned quite clearly on the right side of the "add a band" page under "IMPORTANT REMINDERS", with hotlinks to further specify what the points mean. As Metantoine already said, we get lots of submission that are devoid of any real content, so a certain... automation sets in. The message you received is, as a matter of fact, pre-written and selected when a submission doesn't meet either of our criteria. I'm sorry if we come across as a bit curt, I understand your perspective inasmuch as you are new and inexperienced when it comes to the mechanics of this site, but with all the rather obvious signs, guidelines and rules we have, bare-boned submission like yours are dealt with in a comparably merciless fashion.

Unlike some other users we've had and continue to have to deal with in this thread, you seem to be a nice and understanding person, though, so no harm done. I also have to agree with Metantoine that your music is pretty good, and I don't usually like funeral doom.

That's total bullshit.I remember that M-A had SIN back in 2008/09.Then this band got deleted because "IT WAS NOT METAL ENOUGH".Then again after 2 years SIN got accepted again and stays in Archives until now.It just shows how diverse these moderators are and their mood is changing faster than lightning.

Mods are human too? Nooooooo!

Y'know, I'm pretty sure at least one of us gave this answer once upon a time... maybe, like, six or seven times in this thread. So I'll reiterate, but keep it brief so it drills through your thick head:

We're NOT a Borg collective. We don't magically think in a mental network or hivemind, and we have differing opinions on whether something's metallic enough to belong on this site. SIN was presumably accepted again by a different moderator who deleted it.

Seriously, get over yourself, MMM. If you've such an attitude problem towards this site, take it elsewhere, because you've collectively spent more time bitching about our decisions than you have contributing anything worthwhile.

This is the third time I'm posting here... I've tried to submit the band "Celestial Oblivion": http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cel ... 3540346336

The first time I submited the band haven't indeed a physical release, but this changed om the past month, they released the first EP through Depressive Illusions Records
which released a lot of bands accepted by encyclopedia metallum: http://www.metal-archives.com/labels/De ... abs_albums


I re-sent with the corrections about the album's label but you have denied again... so here are the proofs:

http://depressiveillusions.com/search/n ... 20oblivion

http://depressiveillusions.com/items/ta ... man-plague

http://depressiveillusions.com/sites/de ... 216688.JPG

Thanks!

As the last rejection message says, the band is already in the database. Looks like another user's submission of the band was accepted after yours was rejected the first time: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cel ... 3540346753

Is it possible to take Maugrim off of the blacklist? It's a project I am part of, started out ambient, but our first black metal release (a split with Tho) under the name is now available.

Proof of metal:
http://maugrim.bandcamp.com/

Proof of release:
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash ... 5703_n.jpg

Can be submitted now.

Thank you very much.

Gents,

So I submitted a band called Heikousen and it got rejected with the only explanation that it's "not metal." The album is streaming at the link I provided below - just so I don't waste my time with bands like this in the future, what's not metal about it? I read the submission rules and and also read reviews of the album on various blogs and a piece on Metal Injection, so I was hoping someone could just give me an idea why you guys think it isn't, so it can be avoided in the future....looks like Azmodes rejected it.

THanks

http://heikousen.stereokiller.com/

I understand it correctly -
Promo album or internet release is not permitted for approval?

Just listen the song and check the page; the song is Metal genre, and the proof of release is right here:


http://atlatlmusicgroup.blogspot.com.au/p/releases.html


The last release of the page.

To me it sounded like a predominantly mathcore band. It's got metal elements, yes, but in roughly the same way that Converge does (although it seems more pronounced with Heikousen). Still, I feel it's not the core of the music. Maybe it's primarily the hardcore vocals that throw me off, but there's also the spastic instrumentation and rhythms and focus on math-y riffing/motifs. I'd appreciate other mods' opinions, though.


Internet-only releases are not allowed, no. It has to be physical. Promo albums (even if they're physical) are not allowed if they're only sent out to labels/zines, but not commercially available, broadly speaking.

@Ixtaukayotl: Metantoine already told you the verdict. Keeping on bugging us with this is not helping your case. Please accept the decision.

Why was Ancient Tundra blacklisted? It's a side project of a metal musician, and it's somewhat related to the black metal genre, as it's dark ambient, if other black metal musician's ambient side projects can be submitted, why not this one?

Note that side-projects will only be eligible if they have at least one release on a label with worldwide distribution (to avoid a flood of bedroom/MySpace bands).

Ancient Tundra's CDs are self-released under their own record label imprint.

can you restore my entry of Ravnsvart which got deleted?
the tape is available in the label's shop now:
http://www.shop-020.de/BlackBloodRecord ... 2198486f10

otherwise i will resubmit.

Restored.
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Rav ... 3540346462

How come Eyes Of Fire doom/sludge band was deleted after all this years on metal archives? Some of the members played also in http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mindrot/5009#band_tab_members.

Eyes of Fire was brought up by 2 users, and judged by 3 mods to be unacceptable following a review. Please search the forum next time for your answer.

Hi there, last night i try to upload the profile for UHKUMO (mex) but, the moderators send me an email that says that they need a fisical proof of a fisical release. Here I send you a few pics of the demo.
Hope that this would be enought.
http://s1121.photobucket.com/albums/l51 ... t=uhk3.jpg

Yes it's enough, but no need to post this here, simply resubmit with that link included.

Hey guys, why was the band Hypno5e blacklisted? It is totally metal and unique in its genre.

I have never listened to the band, but back in 2009 Witcher had this to say about it:

Sorry to insist, but the themes in my Soundcloud are just trials, the last and first are topics of metal, can hear them. You got most of the demo, is the image and can prove it, is the official demo, the website of the label and the issues that are metal. Perhaps not fully heard by the long intros, but it is metal.

Furthermore, the label only accepts metal bands.
http://atlatlmusicgroup.blogspot.com.au ... umatz.html



I upload 5 tracks of metal. Does this mean I play Pagan metal, no?


http://soundcloud.com/gucumatz/gucumatz-xipe-totec

http://soundcloud.com/gucumatz/gloria-pagana

http://soundcloud.com/gucumatz/colibr-de-guerra

http://soundcloud.com/gucumatz/entre-los-mares-volver-s

http://soundcloud.com/gucumatz/gucumatz ... ia-obscura

Can hear you... This is Metal!

Un the image

Greetings...

hi guys, you rejected my submission for the folk metal band Vallorch for the reason "Do you have proof for the digipak release? A photo, for example?". Yes, i've, this is the digipak release:

@fabriziomagno: Resubmit.

a big HI! to all you guys from a big and old follower of m-a!

well, first time ever i post here on the forum (i'm not into virtual life so much, you know) and i'm sorry it happens on this part of the forum.

actually the two complaints i'f like to discuss with you folks are highly connected with a wider kind of complain i'd like to make.
before beginning i want to make it clear that all this is meant in order to always improve this wonderful site and of course give more light to bands playing the genre of music we all like, in each of its façades. i say that because i always found it ridiculous, that mods and admins must protect themselves from the activity of trolls or "pointwhores" or people acting in childish ways - that's not my motivation, i don't even know how many points i have and as long as i can keep on sending reports you can even delete my "status" or whatever is not connected to music.
moreover, situations like the two i'm going to explain happened to me many times through the years but i never spoke about them and of course will not do it today because they're not the topic; again, i say that just to show you the complete kindness of my purposes.

back to the matter, i recently asked for two bands being added, namely Serenade (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Serenade/3540346280) and Synful Ira (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Synful_Ira/3540347759), both from italy.
now, both have been rejected, the former with the explanation



and the latter due to the following reason:



now. i think i know m-a's rules by word (this website is me and my friends's essential "working tool" since at least twelve years hehe) but i costantly check them to be sure i don't break any of them.
i have the highest respect for the founders of m-a, as well as for all the people involved in its development and i can only imagine what kind of dedication such a website requires, in terms of personal life and time sacrified to it.
what sometimes (let's say these two last times for kindness's sake) makes some doubts to rise is, are mods and admins showing the same respect? 99% of the times i'm sure they do but unfortunately there's that 1%.
i mean, i can't talk for everyone out there but adding a band usually takes me around two hours: i want to check all possible info, find the right pics and logos (a couple of months ago i even had to find the right programme to resize them because the free trial of the one i used expired) and sometimes i write to bands via mail before adding because it's impossible to find all the required info or stuff just surfing the web. for example, i wanted to submit another band between Serenade and Synful Ira but info were too incomplete and i couldn't find an email address to write to (i'm don't have a facebook account) and i just gave up, hoping to be able to do it in the future.
so, please don't tell me things like "two hours are nothing compared to our work" or stuff like that. no one forced you or me to do what we are doing but i think two hours of my day, in which i have a real and normal life with a job and everything just like you all, are just as worthy as two hours of yours.

more in detail: for Serenade you told me that i should have brought a proof of metalness. good and right. what's it supposed to be, apart from providing links (youtube and label's in this case) where you can go and listen and judge for yourself? actually I WOULD NOT complain if a mod or admin told me, i listened to them and didn't think they were metal enough for m-a. i'm not here to show to the world how en expert in metal i am because i prefer enjoying it that speculating about it. the frustrating thing is that, in my humble opinion, the person who reviewed my submission didn't even have the care to click on the links section (i provided links directly when submitting, not through a later report) to actually go and search for a proof of that metalness; most probably, he/she saw the singer dressed as a gothic lady and thought they were the usual cliché with less to no metal at all. which i repeat, would be something you'd hardly hear me whining about.
unless you want to make me believe that i should go to a mod's/admin's place, tie him/her to the chair to make him/her listen and then having him/her rightfully judging.
so please, either i am completely dumb or i need a furthe explanation about this rule or perhaps the work of someone should be better checked.
again about Serenade: proof of a physical release. i completely agree. but should i buy every single record a metal band releases just to take a pic and then submit it here? because again, i don't require that you search for the band's statements because it can actually be boring; but in the label link i put (in english, moreover), they clearly mention a physical release: http://www.revalverecords.com/Cd%26DigitalDeluxeEdition.html

i post it here, too:

shall we make a general preorder?
again, the only thing that i can think of, is that the reviewer didn't take the minimum time to check that i respected the rules of the website he/she is part of.

the case of Synful Ira is even more fast to solve (i swear i'm almost at the end!).
reason of rejection reads:



and before continuing i want to quote m-a's rules, too:

from here, for those too lazy to check: http://www.metal-archives.com/content/rules

this time the reviewer enetered the guinness for the fastest rejection because he/she didn't even click on the album title in the discography section (so a link appearing right in the same page he/she opened, i maintain) where he/she would have seen that i had written day and month of the release, submitted cover artwork and tracklist and that those datas are easy to check just by scrolling down their twitter profile, by reading the homepage of their website or by scrolling down the label's facebook page.

so, i perfectly know that with this version of the website, the best one indeed i think, you can resubmit bands whenever you want; but you know, since rules are so strict it isn't the case you do it without thinking twice. so here i am. what i wonder is, does it have sense, spending time to submit stuff in the future when it seems like some people don't care about their role at all? about checking if the rules of the website they're part of and that they say we break have actually been broken?

hope this will turn into a useful discussion. meanwhile, best regards to all admins, mods and other "simple" fans.

So you were using the website three years before it was actually created? Fuckin' time travellers, man.

you spotted me. don't tell anyone or i'll become a slave to government's experiments.

I was the one who rejected Synful Ira. It's pretty simple, the rule you quoted only applies to bands already in the database, i.e. bands that already have one physical release. New submissions need at least one physical release already out. Rest assured that I did click on the album title and also did some Google Translatin' to make sure the release really was on June 22nd.



About Serenade... I'm not sure why Derigin rejected it with that message. Proof of metalness was provided. Maybe an honest mistake. From the label link, though, I see that while the digital version of the album is out, the CD is not. So the same as for Synful Ira applies.

Hi guys,

I submited yesterday MINERVA band to your database. I've just received your rejection. Reason.. not a metal band.. Guys.. If it's not metal then what? Did you even hear for example Devilish Heaven, Invisible, The Day, Thieves! or mystic Beyond The Dream? (you can do this on their site -> http://en.stayalert.pl/media/#bandcamp)... I know you can be quite orthodox and you probably hate genre mixes, but come on.... Is this just melodic rock to you?

Please take a look again.. Thanks!

Kind regards,
Madman