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Subrick
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 11:07 am 
 

http://www.metalsucks.net/2012/05/21/gh ... th-750000/

I've gotten massively into Ghost over the last few months, so it's nice to see that not only did they "make it" but that the deal they signed is worth so much.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 11:09 am 
 

See, this is exactly what is wrong with this whole band. Do not get me wrong, they make really great music. But, What, they released one album, and they are already on their own headlining world tour? And now this? I don't think they really 'deserve' this.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 11:17 am 
 

To quote Clint Eastwood, deserves got nothing to do with it. They came out of nowhere and everyone took notice. Helps that Opus Eponymous is an excellent album and was a very nice breath of fresh air in the modern metal scene. Good for them for getting to this level, especially in as quick as they did.

And while the band itself hasn't been around long, the guys in the band have probably been doing it for years themselves. Tobias Forge, the guy most likely to be Papa Emeritus, has been doing Repugnant since 1998.
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dystopia4
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 11:25 am 
 

Good for them, I guess. They seem like the type of metal band to be on a major label, not that theres anything wrong with that if thats what the band wants. Their music is pretty great, even if it is super polished and a bit cliched. Its funny how the article blasts Ghost for not signing with Roadrunner. Three quarter of a million? Damn...

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 11:29 am 
 

Or is it that James Hetfield started name dropping them and wearing their shirts? And I think deserves has a lot to do with it. I think there are other bands that came out around the same time, put more effort into their work, and would deserve this kind of thing more. But hey, silly thing to argue over.


Subrick wrote:
And while the band itself hasn't been around long, the guys in the band have probably been doing it for years themselves. Tobias Forge, the guy most likely to be Papa Emeritus, has been doing Repugnant since 1998.


Well yeah, that's like, most of the bands dude.
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Subrick
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 11:31 am 
 

So you see my point that the guys in the band definitely do deserve their success even if the band itself hasn't been around for that long?
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 11:34 am 
 

ralfikk123 wrote:
I think there are other bands that came out around the same time, put more effort into their work, and would deserve this kind of thing more.


Because I am sure you are the best judge of how much effort the band put into their work...
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 11:38 am 
 

I think that all this stuff is happening way too fast for them. But hey, that's only me.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 11:40 am 
 

Considering how good Opus Eponymous is, it's obvious they put a lot of work into it, and the end result was more than suffice.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 11:40 am 
 

It's because they're accessible, and most of all very marketable. They've got the poppy hooks and the blatantly blasphemous overtones thus making them appealing to every teenager and anyone else who wants to shock and appall but is alienated by "real" extreme metal.

Also, I had a hypothesis for a while that the "nameless ghouls" are members of Opeth. Nothing more than my personal speculation however due to the fact that it's been hinted they're members of a well known swedish metal act who have been around for a while.

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 11:43 am 
 

Hey, I say good for them. Sure, I barely care about their music, but they're a decent outfit and it's cool to see an underground band get such a sweet deal. People shouldn't act so negative about it.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 11:45 am 
 

It's in the nature of people to immediately hate when their favorite underground or lesser known band starts to make it big. Hence why the term "selling out" exists.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 11:48 am 
 

It wouldn't matter if it took ten more disposable cock-rock albums for them to become "deserving" of being signed to a major label.

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 11:51 am 
 

An artist should only be called a "sell out" when he/she purposefully starts to water down their material in order to appeal to a larger crowd, if you ask me.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 11:55 am 
 

Subrick wrote:
It's in the nature of people to immediately hate when their favorite underground or lesser known band starts to make it big. Hence why the term "selling out" exists.
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I'm not touching this with a 50 km pole.

On topic, I don't know ghost's music, but(and I don't really care for their "gimmick") congrats to them anyway.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 12:16 pm 
 

They've obviously actually signed a deal with the devil. The whole thing is just like that one Chick tract.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 12:22 pm 
 

Ozenrol wrote:
It's because they're accessible, and most of all very marketable. They've got the poppy hooks and the blatantly blasphemous overtones thus making them appealing to every teenager and anyone else who wants to shock and appall but is alienated by "real" extreme metal.


I'd say that sums them up real nicely, but I am glad to hear they're being signed to a big label. On the other hand though, and I'm not hating on them for jumping into the mainstream or whatever, but I honestly find their music really lame.

EDIT: Oh, and my username has nothing to do with the band whatsoever.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 12:30 pm 
 

dystopia4 wrote:
Its funny how the article blasts Ghost for not signing with Roadrunner.

I'm not familiar with the band (yet... sounds pretty interesting, I might check them out), but the article is really dumb and self-important. Not familiar with that website either, but with such a name, I reckon they habitually write like this?

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 12:33 pm 
 

I love Ghost so I'm happy for them but I can't think of anything riskier then signing a band to a major label after one pretty good record. Wait till the third to see of you don't just have a one trick pony...

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 12:44 pm 
 

splyu wrote:
dystopia4 wrote:
Its funny how the article blasts Ghost for not signing with Roadrunner.

I'm not familiar with the band (yet... sounds pretty interesting, I might check them out), but the article is really dumb and self-important. Not familiar with that website either, but with such a name, I reckon they habitually write like this?


It started as a troll website actually, but they dropped the troll nature of the site a while ago. It's basically just a metal news/blog site with multiple contributors. They constantly sponsor tours and debut new songs from known metal bands.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 12:56 pm 
 

absurder21 wrote:
I love Ghost so I'm happy for them but I can't think of anything riskier then signing a band to a major label after one pretty good record. Wait till the third to see of you don't just have a one trick pony...


Basically this is what I tried to get across.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 1:04 pm 
 

:lol: what the hell are you two talking about? Large labels have a historical precedent of signing "hot" or "hip" bands based on one album or live shows, in hopes that they will attract more people. What label has ever had a wait and see policy?
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 1:28 pm 
 

I don't like them, but I won't throw shit over someone else's success. Good for them, I don't see the harm of them being more famous.

Deserving? it doesn't matter at the end; Britney Spears is a millionaire and for most of us she's crap, but can we judge someone else's tastes?
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 1:47 pm 
 

I like them quite a lot, so I'm happy for them, I hope this will speed up the process towards the next album, becouse I am looking forward to more from them :)
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 1:58 pm 
 

They came at the right time with the right gimmick, that's what it takes to sell.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 2:27 pm 
 

I'd love to see the gimmicky occult rock metal trend take nose dive in popularity right about now.

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I'd love to see the gimmicky occult rock metal trend take nose dive in popularity right about now.

Same. Don't enjoy the band, but for those that enjoy them, good for you guys. My opinion means more to me though, so I'd love to see this band tank. :lol:
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Ghost is actually my least favourite of those bands. Devil's Blood should get that deal.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 4:15 pm 
 

Well, now that this has happened, let's hope that the word gets out about Portrait, a criminally underrated band who also plays satanic speed metal. I would rather listen to a Portrait CD, though, because to me Ghost are more of a gimmick. Fine music, but the whole "Satanic" theme doesn't fit their sound very well, and felt a bit ridiculous and stereotypical to me, at least when they do it. I'm glad they are getting recognition, though, hopefully their next album will be interesting.

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 7:31 pm 
 

well the advantage ghost has is that they are really poppy sounding unlike pretty much all the other retro occult rock/metal bands.
i dont think they are that special though. Didnt think they were special before they released their album aswell.

and everything the band has said in interviews pretty much makes it clear that getting big was their goal. Now i just hope their other projects whatever those might be other than repugnant wont suffer.

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 7:57 pm 
 

I think this band is sooo overrated it hurts! And no amount of money is gonna make them pop stars. I heard they are made up of a few members from the cardigans a really shitty swedish pop band from the late 90's early 00's. Seriously the whole Satanic thing is just not marketable its laughable! I say good luck Ghost!
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ralfikk123 wrote:
See, this is exactly what is wrong with this whole band. Do not get me wrong, they make really great music. But, What, they released one album, and they are already on their own headlining world tour? And now this? I don't think they really 'deserve' this.

Appetite for Destruction sold more than all but a handful of metal bands could dream of. Did Guns n' Roses deserve that success? It's all relative.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 8:42 pm 
 

The whole $750,000 thing is the real shock here, they were already pretty much on as major as a metal label could be, and considering they are members of an OSDM act it's not exactly surprising they would shy away from Roadrunner on principle, but that much money??? There is no way they're going to make that much from an album, and since a large part of their appeal seems to be their low key 70's production vibe I can't see how throwing three quarters of a million dollars at it would help the end product. Although it would be entertaining to see them having videos on the morning music video shows, if unpleasant, I hate these guys (And pretty much the whole scene) and would honestly take several current radio acts over them. Still, good for them I guess, getting cashed up while the going is good.
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lord_ghengis wrote:
I hate these guys (And pretty much the whole scene)


There is a scene behind this stuff? I know that this band, "The Devil's Blood" (who I have never heard), and "In Solitude" (who I have heard and do not like), are all trying to do more or less the same thing, but I have never heard of any other bands like this. I guess that if you wanted to, you could throw Portrait in there as well, but that's a bit of a stretch in my opinion.

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 9:35 pm 
 

Well it's quite a broad sort of "scene", it's pretty much old (70's typically) sounding stuff with occult vibes so it isn't all that rigid in it's definitions, I like Uncle Acid and the Dead Beats and Graveyard, but neither of them are directly all that similar, the former being pretty much straight up stoner doom and the later being much more straight forward rock and roll. Other bands include Occultation, and Blood Ceremony... I'm sure there are more but I can't remember them.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 9:42 pm 
 

I remember Graveyard being good, and I prefer them over Ghost. But I wouldn't really call it a scene myself.
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I dunno, there are getting to be a fair few bands with the same similar idea, I admit I could I could only name like 8 of them, but I remember somebody having at least like 10 in their best of list for last year, and I'm sure there are more beneath that.
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I dont know, but like it was said before, IF you were to include Portrait, and In Solitude into that list, they'd be the best ones to be honest.
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I haven't heard Portrait, but In Solitude sound much more like 80's MWOBHM worship to me, rather than cultish/doomish/rockish stuff so I wouldn't include them.
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Well in sound I would agree to some extent, but not lyrically. But both bands are pretty much MF worship.
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