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carnival_corpse
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:38 pm 
 

Does anyone has pictures for Wombbath Internal Caustic matrix number? I recently bought a copy for around $30

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:40 pm 
 

carnival_corpse wrote:
Does anyone has pictures for Wombbath Internal Caustic matrix number? I recently bought a copy for around $30


THIN 002 CD MPO 01 @@@ 9

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carnival_corpse
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:48 pm 
 

thetrueevil wrote:
carnival_corpse wrote:
Does anyone has pictures for Wombbath Internal Caustic matrix number? I recently bought a copy for around $30


THIN 002 CD MPO 01 @@@ 9




This is the matrix number I have in my copy, however want to compare it against a known original for any differences in font, spacing between characters, etc

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:55 am 
 

wavin wrote:


It might be the same copy. As I posted before, auction was ended ahead of time, maybe the buyer didn't pay. Anyway, it's still suspicious that the seller didn't reply nor sent detailed pictures. I'd avoid it.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:01 am 
 

Beware, All the Thrash records' Cds have a new bootleg ones.

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wavin
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:03 pm 
 

And Again !!!
http://www.ebay.de/itm/EXCRUCIATE-Passa ... 41649ae5b6

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Longo
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:21 pm 
 

Suspicious?

http://www.ebay.de/itm/WOMBBATH-Interna ... 4164d3d0c2

- Longo

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wavin
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:56 pm 
 

This is BOOTLEG !!!

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Vampallens
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:05 pm 
 

That's incredible how idiots bid hard for a useless and indecent bootleg, it's really unbelievable!

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wavin
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:38 am 
 

OOOps
RARE BOOTLEG !
http://www.ebay.de/itm/AUTHORIZE-The-so ... 4ab6cd3c58

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manes
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:17 am 
 

Damn man, this really sucks, I thought I had to deal with boots just with demos...this is so bad, I'd better get the last few cd's I need and then stop it.
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wavin
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:06 am 
 

I THINK WHAT THIS CD BOOTLEG !!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... true&rt=nc

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Helvede
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:11 am 
 

Allright, people...I've been in contact with this ebay seller and auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... TQ:US:1123

- who has been very helpful and honest about the Illdisposed cd he is selling (just look at how he revised the item). By some coorporation and comparing my 100% original copy with his copy of Illdisposed 'Four depressive seasons' - we can conclude that his copy is a bootleg. It is hereby confirmed that Illdisposed has been bootlegged! Beware, people! And on top of that, he did in fact get ripped off by one of those German sellers that were linked to above in this thread. So, beware when buying Illdisposed from German sellers!!!

I now have detailed pictures of the bootleg cd and just need to scan my own copy, so pics will soon be available. The matrix codes are the same number, but are obviously different in font and such. Also, if you see a copy, take a look at the label side of the cd. The bootleg is white near the innercircle/hole as you can see in the auction above. The original is transparent beside the red lines from the pentagram. Don't buy a copy for collectors price unless you get to see a detailed picture! Just a suggestion. Hopefully I get to scan my copy soon, so you can compare yourselves. Damn bootleggers!

EDIT: Oh yeah, the honest seller gave me his consent to post this. Thanks again.

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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 3:57 pm 
 

ORIGINAL OR NOT?
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Illdisposed-Four ... 2a1d91a613

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Vampallens
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 4:27 pm 
 

fonts of matrix number are too strange to be the real first press. It's surely a bootleg.

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Helvede
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 4:47 pm 
 

As I wrote above, this one has the characteristics of the bootleg. Look at the white inndercircle around the hole. I'll try to scan my legit copy tomorrow. It's the same bootleg one as the one I linked to.

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carnival_corpse
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:29 pm 
 

Please add Demigod's SSE to the list of bootlegs. I have confirmation from a buyer, who compared a copy (against a proven original) he bought recently from an american seller and the font of the matrix number is totally different. The seller still has a few copies currently listed.

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Tabun
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:26 pm 
 

there are at least two different original pressings of the demigod - slumber of sullen eyes cd. one with a thick nearly cardboard booklet and backcover and one with a normal booklet. they do have different matrix codes as far as i remember, but i've to check. what are the matrix codes you're talking about?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:54 pm 
 

I've just come away from vacation with a second copy of Voivod's Nothingface. However, both of them are slightly different. Both are the original press co-release between Mechanic and MCA and both feature the foldout cover. However, where one features a bar code, the other has a white void printed with the words "Mfd. for BMG Direst Marketing, Inc./under license/6550 East 30th Street/Indianapolis, Indiana 46219/D 143463". This copy has no bar code. The color printed on the disc is also slightly lighter and once again features the code D143463. I can't find a copy of the non-barcode copy on the net.

Does anyone know the significance of these differences and what they might mean in terms of value? Which issue do you have?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:14 pm 
 

That BMG stuff probably means it was re-printed for BMG Music Club, a competitor of Columbia House until they stopped accepting members in 2008. Anybody over the age of 30 probably remembers both BMG and Columbia, as they were a decent source of lots and lots of cheap CDs. Their standard deal was to sign up and get an ungodly number of CDs (usually 10 or 12) for a penny plus shipping. Then you might have some further obligation to buy a few CDs at full price plus shipping; then you could quit any time. Lots of people quit without buying anything, and sometimes you could exploit them with deals that actually had no initial obligation - I remember a friend of mine bought a stereo that came with a BMG deal where you got 4 CDs for just shipping costs, with no extra obligation; we photocopied it endlessly and kept joining and quitting, getting our CDs for just a couple bucks apiece, basically.

Anyway, BMG for sure (and I think Columbia House also) pressed their own CDs that were specifically for their members, and you weren't supposed to be able to re-sell them to used stores, but no one paid attention to that.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:41 pm 
 

your version could be this one, but that says there's a barcode [and there are no accompanying scans] http://www.discogs.com/Voivod-Nothingface/release/1796854
i have this version: http://www.discogs.com/Voivod-Nothingface/release/378991
does it match any of these? http://www.musik-sammler.de/album/2048

this is a distribution code isn't it?
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D 143463

my matrix string here: 112407-I3-9271-2-N
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:16 am 
 

dalecooper wrote:
That BMG stuff probably means it was re-printed for BMG Music Club, a competitor of Columbia House until they stopped accepting members in 2008. Anybody over the age of 30 probably remembers both BMG and Columbia, as they were a decent source of lots and lots of cheap CDs. Their standard deal was to sign up and get an ungodly number of CDs (usually 10 or 12) for a penny plus shipping. Then you might have some further obligation to buy a few CDs at full price plus shipping; then you could quit any time. Lots of people quit without buying anything, and sometimes you could exploit them with deals that actually had no initial obligation - I remember a friend of mine bought a stereo that came with a BMG deal where you got 4 CDs for just shipping costs, with no extra obligation; we photocopied it endlessly and kept joining and quitting, getting our CDs for just a couple bucks apiece, basically.

Anyway, BMG for sure (and I think Columbia House also) pressed their own CDs that were specifically for their members, and you weren't supposed to be able to re-sell them to used stores, but no one paid attention to that.


Damn, I remember that! I never exploited them though; from what I remember, I signed up and got 12 CDs for free (can't recall anything about shipping) and then I had to buy 1 CD each year, from one of their lists. Last one I remember buying was a performance of 'The Phantom of the Opera' which was a double CD.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:51 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
my matrix string here: 112407-I3-9271-2-N


Ah, yes. This is the same as my 'regular' copy of the CD. My non-barcode one isn't any of those, though.

Thank you guys for the input, though. That seems like a really stupid business model. It must've been crazy in the pre-internet days. ;) Anyway, since I got this new copy I won't be needing my other one so I'm selling it on eBay if anyone is interested.

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are you going to add the non barcoded one to discogs?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:31 am 
 

Demigod - SSE *bootleg* matrix --> Image

The 1st pressing press (made in spain) is with a different font. The other version of SSE 1st press has DADC matrix, similar to other Drowned titles like Putrenance etc

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Jiikky
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Hey, I have just registered to this site although I have been lurking here a year or two earlier. The reason I registered is because I might need help from you guys.

Well my story is that I have ordered CDs from a russian seller through amazon.co.uk.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aag/main?ie= ... HUGIDEZZGB

This is the link to the seller's profile. I first ordered Coroner's Mental Vortex and No More Color in the 10th of June 2012. The CDs arrived a few weeks laters like promised. I opened Mental Vortex and it seemed alright. Then I opened No More Color case and instead of the No More Color disc I found a R.I.P. disc inside. I contacted the seller, he apologized and told me that he will send the No More Color disc to me at his expense. That's alright, but he also said that I DON'T NEED TO RETURN THE R.I.P. CD. At this point I was blinded by the joy that I had actually got both the CDs and the seller was being so nice to me and didn't realize the suspicious fact: He doesn't want it back, so it doesn't matter if he loses it?

So like I said, I was so glad that I decided to order MORE CDs from the same seller! Whee. I ordered Deathrow's Deception Ignored, Mortal Sin's Face Of Despair and Vendetta's Brain Damage. I also told him he could send the missing No More Color CD along with my new order. I hadn't really thought of the possibility of scam, that he might actually be just copying and printing out new CDs.

Later when my suspicions finally awoke, I started doing some research.

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Image (This is the R.I.P. CD I got)

Image (
I also took a picture from the down side which has the catalogue number - N0075-2)

According to the catalogue number N0075-2 of this R.I.P. CD, this CD is from year 1989. http://www.discogs.com/Coroner-RIP/master/13536 has the information about that.

I also found another site the seller is hosting. http://azintex-music.com/index.php?ukey=home
http://azintex-music.com/index.php?cate ... ection=ASC (Oh man oh man just LOOK at the prices! I wonder how he can sell CDs THAT cheap!)

I found out that after I had bought the CDs I did, they hadn't been removed from the amazon.co.uk marketplace! They're supposed to be used CDs. Also when I tried to order more than one of his CDs it said that the "Seller has only one of them available". Yet it can be ordered again separately. How many of them does he have then?

In fact my friend told me he had also bought No More Color CD from the same seller through amazon.co.uk! Now we both have No More Color from the same buyer. When I visited the Coroner forum I found a thread about different presses of No More Color. http://ratqueen.proboards.com/index.cgi ... thread=436
I found out that these next 2 pictures should be the same press of the No More Color I have:

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Image


Here are the pictures I took from my own No More Color:

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Image (Case's front side)

Image (Case's backside)

Image (Booklet's inside)

Image (CD's frontside)


The last image of the CD's front I uploaded there was the breakthrough. I noticed something. If you compare the earlier image of someone else's (http://imageshack.us/f/405/unled1mr.jpg), I suppose, REAL No More Color CD's frontside, you can see that it has all the bronze and silver colored linings left on the center ring of the CD, whereas if you look at MY CD (http://i49.tinypic.com/n2zuiv.jpg), you can see they're almost completely worn out. So I realized: What if my friend's CD has its bronze and silver linings worn out EXACTLY the same way and from the same places as my CD? That would obviously mean they're copies of each other, because these detritions must be caused by using the CD a lot, they haven't been there from the beginning. So I asked my friend to take a picture from the front of his disc. Here's what we found out. Let me just put these three pictures in a row now (someone's No More Color CD from the internet, my CD and my friend's CD):

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Image (some random guy's No More Color CD, which I suppose is a real one; not a pirate, not a copy)

Image(My own No More Color CD)

Image (My friend's No More Color CD)


If you compare my CD to my friend's CD, they have EXACTLY the same detritions on the coating! How likely is it that the seller has two versions of No More Color, both made in the year 1989 or 1993 (I'm actually not sure: the catalogue number for the CDs is N0138-2, and according to http://www.discogs.com/Coroner-No-More- ... ster/13492 the same catalogue number is for both 1989 and 1993 Germany versions) and during the years they both have suffered exactly the same fate: they both have lost a part of their coating in the middle from exactly the same spots, making the damage looking identical. Well, you don't have to be an Einstein to realize this: They're copies of each other! Therefore I can say pretty surely: The seller makes pirated copies of rare CDs and sells them for quite high prices!

Please, if you have any of these following CDs I'm going to list, take clear pictures of them and their cases so I can compare mine to further verify if these are cheap pirated copies (not cheap for me though, I paid almost 100€ for these). I want you to take pictures from the frontside of the CD, the downside of the CD (the blank one, make sure to get the catalogue number in the middle ring clear!), the booklet and the backside of the case. Make sure you have the same version as me; check the catalogue numbers in your CDs (they're located on the blank side of the CD in the middle ring and on the frontside of the CD as well) and see if they match the catalogue numbers of the CDs I have. This way I can verify that we have the same version of the CD, meaning I can compare them as they SHOULD be identical, at least if mine is not a bootleg:
Coroner - R.I.P. (catalogue number: N 0075-2)
Coroner - No More Color (catalogue number: N 0138-2)
Coroner - Mental Vortex (catalogue number: N 0177-2)
Vendetta - Brain Damage (catalogue number: N 0121-3)
Deathrow - Deception Ignored (catalogue number: N 0128-2)
Mortal Sin - Face Of Despair (catalogue number: 836 370-2)

If you have any experiences with this seller (thetuneofUK in amazon.co.uk, Moscow-Russia in amazon.com, azintex-music in http://www.discogs.com and azintex-music.com as his independent website), like you have bought CDs from this seller or anything, tell me and post some pictures and let's compare if they have completely identical scratches and detritions as well! Also if you know any guides on how to spot fake CDs like this one - http://reviews.ebay.com/How-to-Spot-Fak ... 0006386863 , share them here or share your own experiences with fake CDs and how to spot them! Also if you need any more information or pictures from the CDs for proof, ask me and I'll post! It would be nice to have as many people taking part in this so I can make sure that I'm comparing these CDs with the real ones. And if you don't understand some part of this research, feel free to ask. Any help is appreciated! Let's do this for the sake of collectors who don't want to buy garbage!


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There'a almost no way of telling what Noise CDs are fake or real anymore. It's really dragged down their value.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:59 pm 
 

You can check the Deathrow editions (US and EU respectively) here and here. The Discogs link also has pictures of the Deception Ignored bootleg. It has some errors that make it easily recognizable.

Here are some pics of the Coroner CDs.

Something that I don't get about Noise editions is the Dark Wings labelling. Was it a sub-label for distribution or what?
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Edited with spoiler tags since the pictures were way too large.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:47 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
You can check the Deathrow editions (US and EU respectively) here and here. The Discogs link also has pictures of the Deception Ignored bootleg. It has some errors that make it easily recognizable.

Here are some pics of the Coroner CDs.

Something that I don't get about Noise editions is the Dark Wings labelling. Was it a sub-label for distribution or what?


Thanks, I'll check them and report my findings later!

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Edited with spoiler tags since the pictures were way too large.


That's quite acceptable. The pictures are too large because I didn't think of resizing them, but on the other hand it's good that they're that large as it's easier to spot details in them.

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The seller TheTuneOfUK sells nothing but 100% bootlegs, speaking from the experience I've had with them. Just take a look through their listings - it's an A-Z of rare and hard to find stuff at stupid low prices. What made it worse for me is that the guy behind it was a complete asshole. When I wrote to him saying the matrix code is completely different and it's clearly a bootleg for a couple of CDs I picked up, his response was along the lines of "and how do you know this? Did you make the CD? were YOU in the band?". I pointed him to Musik Sammler, and Discogs etc - and got the response "these websites can easily be edited - how do I know you're not trying to pull a scam on me?". Completely full of shit.

After multiple e-mails back and forth (including mentioning that it's merely 're-issues' or that "record companies press many versions of the same CD over the years, especially with old albums!!!!" - he pretty much admitted he sold 'Russian issue' releases (not even licenced stuff mind - just bootleg 'russian issues' - ha!). This was when I started getting "What do you expect for such a cheap price, from a Russian seller?" etc. Of course, with a name like TuneofUK and no mention of shipping from Russia at the time of ordering (it said shipped from the UK, though that has now changed I notice) - how the fuck would I know? Complete joker. Anyhow, I returned the CDs he sent me and got a refund after claiming an A-Z through Amazon. NEVER use this guy, unless you're happy with flimsy discs which will crap out in 3 months, and cheap, faded booklets and inlays.

As it goes, I've also received Russian bootlegs from the seller 'Cult Metal'. Seems they're rife on Amazon these days. Lesson learned anyway - if you see something dirt cheap which seems too good to be true - it usually is.
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I own a few eastern european cd's. Some say "not for sale outside of (insert country or region here)" and from observation a lot of them don't have the same quality as the american counterpart.

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pastafarian wrote:
I own a few eastern european cd's. Some say "not for sale outside of (insert country or region here)" and from observation a lot of them don't have the same quality as the american counterpart.


The titles with "not for sale outside blah blah blah" are Russian licenced CDs, actually licenced for the Russian market. Although they generally look lesser quality (they generally are lesser quality in my experience), they're at least licenced. These are not, these are bootlegs made by assholes wanting to make a quick buck.
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Daemonlord wrote:
pastafarian wrote:
I own a few eastern european cd's. Some say "not for sale outside of (insert country or region here)" and from observation a lot of them don't have the same quality as the american counterpart.


The titles with "not for sale outside blah blah blah" are Russian licenced CDs, actually licenced for the Russian market. Although they generally look lesser quality (they generally are lesser quality in my experience), they're at least licenced. These are not, these are bootlegs made by assholes wanting to make a quick buck.

Exactly. It's the same with the Protector albums floating around for $11, all from Russia. I think that Russia is bound to decrown Greece very soon, if it hasn't already happened.

PS: Love your blog Daemonlord. Although it makes me feel depressed most of the time. ;)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:24 pm 
 

Daemonlord wrote:
The seller TheTuneOfUK sells nothing but 100% bootlegs, speaking from the experience I've had with them. Just take a look through their listings - it's an A-Z of rare and hard to find stuff at stupid low prices. What made it worse for me is that the guy behind it was a complete asshole. When I wrote to him saying the matrix code is completely different and it's clearly a bootleg for a couple of CDs I picked up, his response was along the lines of "and how do you know this? Did you make the CD? were YOU in the band?". I pointed him to Musik Sammler, and Discogs etc - and got the response "these websites can easily be edited - how do I know you're not trying to pull a scam on me?". Completely full of shit.

After multiple e-mails back and forth (including mentioning that it's merely 're-issues' or that "record companies press many versions of the same CD over the years, especially with old albums!!!!" - he pretty much admitted he sold 'Russian issue' releases (not even licenced stuff mind - just bootleg 'russian issues' - ha!). This was when I started getting "What do you expect for such a cheap price, from a Russian seller?" etc. Of course, with a name like TuneofUK and no mention of shipping from Russia at the time of ordering (it said shipped from the UK, though that has now changed I notice) - how the fuck would I know? Complete joker. Anyhow, I returned the CDs he sent me and got a refund after claiming an A-Z through Amazon. NEVER use this guy, unless you're happy with flimsy discs which will crap out in 3 months, and cheap, faded booklets and inlays.

As it goes, I've also received Russian bootlegs from the seller 'Cult Metal'. Seems they're rife on Amazon these days. Lesson learned anyway - if you see something dirt cheap which seems too good to be true - it usually is.


Thanks a lot! I already have my own evidence, your support makes me more confident. I'm gonna try to return these CDs without too much of a hassle. Any ideas on how to do it? Should I just be honest and tell me I suspect that he's scamming me or make up some excuse so I get away easier (or is that illegal)? Also, is matrix code the same as catalogue number?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:17 pm 
 

I'm pretty sure my copy of Hammerheart is a Russian bootleg.

Oh well, I got it for like $5 from a second hand shop.
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