So you may or may not know that it is election time in Greece, and in a nutshell the ruins that the two dominant parties have left us in led to a lot of people voting for the less popular parties this time around.

One party in particular that got a lot of attention was the Golden Dawn, an extreme right-wing party that (among other things) promotes ethnic cleansing and is labeled by its opposition as the Nazi Party of Greece. The social, political and economic problems the country is experiencing has led to lots of citizens that have lost hope listening to the moronic racist preachings of the party.

Incidentally, more than a few Greek black metal and NSBM bands are also members of the party.
What happened is that Kaiadas, the bassist of Naer Mataron and a representative of the Golden Dawn, was voted in as a member of Parliament.

Here is an interview with Kaiadas I translated from a Greek news site:



(http://www.newsbeast.gr/politiki/ekloge ... sti-vouli/)

I am surprised at the turn of events, and I am wondering about the implications of such an occurrence. Sure, it's amusing that a member of a black metal band showed up to the Parliament building dressed as a hooded Nazgul rider, but the problem does not lie in the fact that he supports black metal ideology, but in that he ALSO supports national socialism.

Come to think of it, have you imagined it? What would a world that was ruled by Satanic Black Metalheads be like? Black metal obviously explores the extreme side of things, as does death metal. Grotesque images of gore, obscene violence and the occult have become somewhat common to us, and as such we have a different understanding of how far 'too far' is. Of course, 99% of us that listen to it and are immersed in the subculture are really cool guys, nice and friendly to be around, which is why we find it ridiculous to be associated with the image of the bloodthirsty, misanthropic satanists by non-metalheads that are familiar with the lyrical content.

However, what happens when radical ideals of National Socialism meet the extremes represented in Black Metal? More specifically, what kind of potential does this unholy union have in a position of political power, like in this case? It's no longer Bob and Joe who listen to Mayhem and Darkthrone and hang out at a bar, it's Oscar the nigger-hating anti-semitic activist that feels REAL intense hatred for immigrants by day and wears bullet belts around a shirt with virgins being raped by demons by night. And now he has a say in politics!

The example with Naer Mataron is not grave, alone he has no significant power. But it got me thinking. Does black metal have a place in politics?

Black metal is just music. The ideologies behind black metal have been around longer then black metal. I wish politicians wore bullet belts instead of ties it make it much more interesting.

To answer the question though, my answer is no.

Democracy (democratic process) = de-radicalization of politics.
When extreme groups in the Maghreb and the ME are able to work in the political arena, despite harsh authoritarian regimes (this is more a thing in the past now, except for Morocco I think), these Nazi-buttlickers will make through the same thing. We have had the NPD in several parliament in Germany and they got nothing done... and have been voted out again. In fact, they are not struggling for survival. When you push something out in the limelight, then these 'Übermenschen' have to face reality, which is generally not kind to extreme positions.

The book I have on this issue is, with the recent development in this area, a bit out of date now.


Ask yourself, does BM have something meaningful to contribute to the socio/cultural/philosophical process? Even though it might be a bit of an exaggeration, but considering the low amount of impact that the metal scene as a whole has on the culture, and considering further what little meaningful and lasting material is created in it, the answer is obvious of course.

It can help to push something where something can be pushed -- in countries like Iran, Lebanon, Morocco and the like -- but in the West it has become part of the mainstream circus and the black metal scene is generally a joke today anyway. Which is a sad thing in some respect, because the actual style and concept could bring out something interesting in respect to our own understanding of the darker side of your being.

That is not an argument.

This is quite interesting.

I wasn't arguing anything I was pointing something out. The ideas behind NSBM and just about all of metal have been around before metal/black metal. The argument shouldn't be
"does black metal have a place in politics?" but rather "should people who support national socialism and if they should be allowed in politics and what are the consequences of them having political power?"

I feel like that Kaiadas interview was interpreted wrong. I feel like he was saying he supports an artists right to express oneself not that he supports national socialism.

Golden Dawn is an interesting party, I have some friends that absolutely love them. I wont lie I am obsessed by national socialism but it is an ideology that goes to far. The philosophy of national socialism has murdered millions of innocent people, most of them were not "Jewish-Bolsheviks" they were everyday people like you and me. I do not even think bolsheviks should be killed. Freedom allows people to have different opinions.

One of the reasons Fascism is called far-right/reactionary is that it is obsessed with the past empires. Hundreds of years ago Greece was a world superpower, they practically founded western civilisation. They are a little country and not a world power like they used to be. Top that off with a modern society of drugs, pop music and cosmopolitanism and it creates plenty of angry extremists.

I can be called a right-libertarian and a moderate nationalist/national liberal. Nations can have self-determination and I am proud of my heritage. Kicking non-whites out of Europe is going to far, they are there to stay. I don't belief the myth of racial purity, the Greeks for the most part don't even look that "Aryan". No offence to anyone. There are many red parties in parliament and Golden Dawn can be used to combat them but they are a party that is best kept at arms length. God forbid they establish a dictatorship, kill people and start wars with Albanian and Turkey. Some people in the left parties even embrace nationalism, I can see many of these people moving to the Golden Dawn. I can see social-conservatives jumping on the bandwagon as well. Many Greeks seem to be voting for Golden Dawn as well as red parties in order to spire the cente-left and cente-right parties that fucked them over. I doubt so many Greeks are communists and fascists. In the future I would like to see a Ron Paul like libertarian party in the parliament of Greece. Then people Fascism, communism and other extreme forms of socialism will fade.

It's hard to see something as exclusive and individualistic as Black Metal philosophy having much sway in a conglomerate, beyond the romanticized delusions of the hateful. To be sustainable political practice, many people have to be accounted for. Committee and provision for the common good isn't what I associate with black metal. Extremes tend to have few members and little leverage. At least according to normal curves. To change that, one has to overthrow by coup or persuasion the majority opinion.

But on the other hand, I think Black Metal (under a certain light), already has a place in politics. In the words of LaVey: Satanists have always ruled the world. Antisocial elitist minorities already hold sway, they just don't wear spikes and cowls and shit.

Considering Greece's impressive history, in the supportive speeches, etc., and NS opinion in Greece, do the promoters advocate the revival of the slave state?

Well my topic question intended to address not only black metal ideology in politics but the phenomenon of modern fascist parties and, to a lesser extent, whether or not their fusion with the extremes of black metal could lead to a clusterfuck of a destructive force. Of course, it is silly to assume that the association with the hate-inspired themes of black metal could lead fascist parties more readily embracing extreme ideas, seeing as Hitler needed no black metal to carry out his 'final solution', but it certainly doesn't help. I repeat, Kaiadas walked into Parliament in a black robe a la Darth Sidious.

As for the interview, I posted it because it is the most recent interview since he was voted into Parliament. It is mostly meant to familiarize the Greek public with his personal aspirations, which have very much to do with his new political power if you ask me. He was flat-out saying that all music, including his own, bears a political message of some sort (regardless whether this is true or not). I will overlook the fact that he contradicts himself right after that, hah.



You're right. In these elections Golden Dawn received a much larger percentage of votes than ever before (7 to 8 percent!) All these new voters weren't fascists all along that were hiding in the sewers! My interpretation of this phenomenon reminds me very much of the rise of Hitler (though this is in no way as severe), namely:
Ordinary Greeks have lost their sense of identity after having been reduced to nothing by the two dominant political parties, the ruling elite and the rest of the Eurozone, the same way the Germans did with the Treaty of Versailles after the humiliating defeat of WWI.
Enter the fascist that promises restoration of national pride and a country that can stand on its own feet again, creating a common enemy for the people. In this case, immigrants and all other non-Greeks or non-Aryans.
People voted for the Golden Dawn because they felt no one else could help them. The second a party such as the one you mentioned emerges in Greece offering substantial solutions and a functional political system, people will abandon this nonsense.



This is one of the truest things I have read.



Though the return to the glorious days of Hellenism is an idea central to the Golden Dawn, the party's driving force is nationalism and anti-immigration policies. They are not so backwards and archaic as to advocate the revival of the slave state.

I should mention that the party itself rejects the fascist label.
The more I think about this, the less I believe that Kaiadas being in Naer Mataron has as much to do with the issue at hand.

ah .. so "ethnic cleansing" in the sense of banishment and immigration refusal, not genocide? Is that right?

No, not genocide. But they have voiced their intentions to place immigrants in concentration camps, so we're not far off.

Why shouldn't they oppose immigration? Unemployment is a huge problem in Greece (1/5 workers, HALF of all youth!), why should they bring more people in to compete with the local workers? Part of the reason these Nazi lunatics become popular is because they are the only people with the courage to oppose immigration, which is the right thing to do, they just do it for weird reasons like the Aryan idea. The mainstream parties cravenly kneel and kiss the boots of the wealthy capitalists who want to keep wages low, so they always support immigration and label immigration opposition "xenophobia" and utilize the voting power of masses of dupes who are brainwashed by the corporate media into thinking the immigrants are all necessary for 'the economy' (they are, insofar as the infinite-growth pyramid scheme setup we have going requires the size of the market to increase perpetually, but this situation is pure unsustainable lunacy). The problem is that this creates a labeling effect... many many normal people oppose immigration for a variety of non-xenophobia reasons (economical ones as I outlined, or perhaps environmental) but these people are told by the establishment that they are just being racist, backward xenophobes, or something called 'populists', which is supposed to be a bad thing that you are a populist instead of an elitist. So what happens? People start sympathizing with the actual xenophobes because they at least are not so condescending.

The left needs to wake up from this bizarre daydream that 'freedom of movement' to cross whatever border you want to is some kind of right that every human should have. If you didn't notice yet, most places in the world have enough humans, if not too many already, and don't need any more of them. If there are problems in high-birthrate low-income countries, those problems need to be solved IN THOSE COUNTRIES, we richer countries are not helping things by letting massive amounts of people from those places come into our already amply-populated nations. This issue does not even need to be about race at all, it is common sense on a planet of 7 billion humans. Immigration to the 1st world is a major obstacle to dealing with overpopulation.

That about sums up what I was going to say. Black Metal philosophy doesn't necessarily have to be left-wing oriented. Its about following your most genuine beliefs/feelings- whatever they may be. You have to admit its kind of ironic when black metal elitists go on about how tr00 and kvlt they are, but when a band slaps a Swastika on their album cover, everyone complains. I embrace ALL conflict- even when its coming from a political movement I personally disagree with. I'd rather see people fighting for something in vain than see humanity turn into apathetic pieces of shit. I think that's what the guy was trying to say.

mostly for German readers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4AXJx3IzdY

and now read these long articles:

http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/36/36616/1.html
http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/36/36617/1.html
The articles of Hans Schmid lay open the way the Nazis viewed the Hellenic people and dealt with the issue of invading the country. It might be interesting to set this perspective in comparison of the new right movement in Greece.

The video itself is simply a lot of hot air. The mere idea of a sovereign Greece without any impact of the international finance is absolutely ludicrous. Nothing more than the general easy solutions are offered that try to invoke a glorious past that simply waits to be re-awoken. Get them in the limelight and their house of cards will crumble ... as always.

Yeesh. If they're going to go to that extreme, they might very well enslave them .. Restore the glory, and all.

Well, the man from Greece should talk about the specifics of that, but it sounds like you're arguing Libertarian policy here. Am I reading that right?

The main parties over the years have ruined this country for everyone.
The minimum wage has become the maximum wage for many, conveniently for some. In a place where housing costs are considerable.
Overcrowding is one of the main concerns for many, millions of new homes must be built.
Everywhere you go are newly built estates of small houses and crammed together noisy flats, and they're not cheap.
The worst thing is when you try and talk about it, some idiot will just call you a bigot.

mindshadow: remember when you're generalizing about the parties to distinguish between local, state, and federal politics. Federal politics are in large part unreachable, whereas state and local politics are more easily influenced by the state's population. Obviously, this is a top-down system now, but that's not because of the parties, but rather the people in those parties. None of whom are invited to any of my parties.

I wrote a long response to that last night, but a powercut in my area sabotaged me. Long story short, he's not wrong, especially about xenophobia being dont ask dont tell despite the fact that it is widespread here, but the issue is more complicated than simply 'stop immigration, its leeching your jobs'. I will try and find spare time to discuss, but I have finals and I'd like to graduate as one of the 50% that ARE employed.

Just to give an answer to the OP´s question. I really don´t understand why someone who adheres to fascism should identify with black metal. I´m aware of NSBM and all that crap, but I still don´t understand and don´t care to understand. Fascism is an ideology that values heard- instinct and heard- mentality above all else and glorifies submission and sacrifices to some obscure "greater good". I consider those contemptible values along with it´s pathetic racism to be something antithetical to metal. To me fascism doesn´t even deserve a place anywhere in contemporary society, let alone in metal.

I'm in no hurry. Your finals are far more important. Good luck!

I thought about making a thread about this. Good thing I didn't, I just found this one. Anyway, there's a lot of nice discussion going on here. I agree with Rild's views on immigration. Every developed country suffers from this phenomenon and the positive effects of immigration are far outweighed by the negative, in my opinion.

Opposing immigration is fine. In fact I agree. There is a big difference between opposing immigration and attacking immigrants. They also want to deport all the immigrants and put them in camps.


Sounds like a great description of socialism. What about socialism? Tons of metal bands are socialist and they go not get the same shit fascist bands do. Socialism is usually no a violent ideology BUT it is an ideology for the herd. Anyone who denies this is lying to themselves. Some socialists are selfish and are only socialists because it benefits them, not because it benefits the society/nation/planet ect. Fascism even evolved from socialism National Socialist German Workers Party. Mussolini was originally a socialist and Italian fascism supports an economic system called National Syndicalism(another word for socialism).

Many love fascism because is an ideology that is based on extreme social-Darwinism. Especially if one is in a major political party. I bet Kaiadas dreams of becoming the deputy Fuhrer of Greece.

hellfuhrer wrote:
Sounds like a great description of socialism. What about socialism? Tons of metal bands are socialist and they go not get the same shit fascist bands do. Socialism is usually no a violent ideology BUT it is an ideology for the herd. Anyone who denies this is lying to themselves. Some socialists are selfish and are only socialists because it benefits them, not because it benefits the society/nation/planet ect. Fascism even evolved from socialism National Socialist German Workers Party. Mussolini was originally a socialist and Italian fascism supports an economic system called National Syndicalism(another word for socialism).

Many love fascism because is an ideology that is based on extreme social-Darwinism. Especially if one is in a major political party. I bet Kaiadas dreams of becoming the deputy Fuhrer of Greece.


Some of what I said also applies to socialism, but I really don´t see your point. I´m not a socialist or a leftist (I´m too individualistic for that stuff) and don´t particularly defend that ideology. However, I do recognise that not all forms of socialism/leftism are some crazy athoritarian shit like stalinism/maoism. I´m also more tolerant of politics that stress class- or economic- interests like some forms of socialism (marxism in particular) than some nationalist or racist bullshit. Socialists, however objectionable I may find their ideas, generally don´t go around preaching racial hatred, beating up immigrants bearing the "wrong" skin color or wanting to force their totalitarian ideology upon everybody. Therefore I´m generally more tolerant of socialists than fascists.

No, "libertarianism" is complete bullshit (at least the US variant of it, which I assume you are referencing here since you're an American). The Milton Friedman/Ayn Rand ideology of free market neoliberalism is the most dangerous ideology of them all, IMO. The basic thrust is supposed to be that you disentangle the private sector from government regulation, because it is 'self regulating' and currently strains under the burdensome weight of taxation, and also remove government from other aspects of civic life and regulation of the individual, presumably because this will make people more free and the private sector will take care of all our needs (to boil it down into 2 words, privatize everything). Firstly, the idea that the private sector is self regulating is laughably farcical, shittons of corporations are routinely caught flouting rules and regulations at every opportunity and fined, not to mention that they can be observed engaged in incredibly immoral and anti-social behavior in developing nations with weak governments such as assassinating union leaders, blatant environmental pollution like dumping oil drilling effluence into rivers, paying workers insanely low wages to work exceedingly dangerous jobs, etc. Deregulating the private sector will just lead to all sorts of toxic chemicals being put in products, insane income disparity between bosses and workers (and completely arbitrary rule over workers by the management), and an extermination of small businesses by corporate monopolies and robber barons. Secondly, the civil rights of the people will be destroyed by this situation because the deregulation of the economy leads to a corporate culture resembling feudalism (and as was previously mentioned, the government provides few services because taxes were sharply reduced, so the cost of living goes up as people have to buy things like drinking water from for-profit corporations) which leads to civil unrest and disobedience, which requires the intervention of the state, who by now are little but jack booted mercenaries of the oligarchs and monopolies which control the resources of the nation and the economy. We have already seen this happen in nations all over the world. Pinochet's Chile was among the first countries to engage in major privatization 'reforms', and this was accompanied by brutal repression, which was required to allow the fire sale of the nation's assets into private hands to take place, otherwise people would have stopped it! In the 'neoliberalization' era of the west which succeeded Pinochet, beginning under Thatcher and Reagan, again we saw an expansion of the state's power and willingness to push people around, to break strikes, to conduct surveillance on people, and all manner of anti-social Orwellian subterfuge and fuckery. The army gets more money while the useful things the government does are defunded or privatized, the police have become more militarized and violent against the public (army style armored personel carriers used against peaceful demonstrations, sound cannons, mass arrests and arrests of bystanders, arrests of people for filming the police, the liberal use of all manner of 'non-lethal' weapons which have killed many people such as tasers and rubber bullets). You must realize that this erosion of civil liberty which has occurred is a consequence of neoliberal policy-making, and neoliberalism is the central doctrine of libertarianism! I would compare it to the historical experience of communism. The ideology of communism actually predicts and demands the abolition of the state, and a maximal state of liberty for the common person, but everywhere communism has arisen we have seen it accompanied by authoritarian tendencies, centralization of power and repression of dissent. Neoliberalism (which is the most salient component of libertarianism) is the same way, it is fanatically hostile to the state's power in THEORY but its actual implementation in the REAL WORLD requires violence and repression by the state.

To return to immigration, mass immigration and mobility of the labor force is a method for the corporate elites to paralyze the ability of labor to organize and bargain and to erode its strength in general. Libertarianism would endorse the neo-liberal liquidity of borders, it is part of neo-liberal ideology to allow for the 'free movement of capital and labor' which we have seen being pursued in the western world (particularly the Anglosphere). And what has this brought us, in the last several decades? Lower wages, outsourcing, erosion of unions (I would never argue that unions are perfect but their existence as a counterweight to the power of capital is a lesser evil than having no counterweight at all), not to mention 'brain drain' from the source nations of immigration helping lock them in poverty and perpetuating the bad conditions which result in emigration. Immigration does not singularly cause all of these things but it is one of the main neo-liberal policies which does. Mass immigration has only been allowed to occur because it benefits the wealthy and powerful, not us plebeians. All the clap-trap about 'multiculturalism' and 'diversity' and 'tolerance' is a ploy, and satan help us we swallowed the bait! The left have become a mewling mob of brainless dupes, what morbid farce that so many so-called leftists and anti-authoritarian rebels advocate for FREE-ER borders, completely unaware that they are demanding exacerbation and expansion of deleterious neoliberal economic policy! They play right into the hands of the corporate elites! The distraction of identity politics is just a means of keeping you from caring about anything important, and even in this case acting against your own interests. The propaganda surrounding "multiculturalism" and the cult of anti-racism (the moral struggle in our culture that is the most drenched in meaning, for a gander at what I mean by 'cult' google search "martin luther king statue" for a neat example of totalitarian art in liberal society) has been so effective at neutralizing opposition to immigration that almost the whole spectrum of the western intelligentsia is on board with it, and opposition to it is left to fascists, because they are too stubborn in their prejudice to be brainwashed. All cultures are equal and all cultural values are thus meaningless, so society should just focus on how to increase profits as much as possible, because after all capitalism is what 'works', right? Point being that 'Multiculturalism' is in the main a cosmopolitan nihilism to fool you into accepting the rule of money. It is in capital's interest to bring in the immigrants, and thus the opponents of immigration must be reeducated or made pariahs.

So to put a cap on this bloated rant, I'd like to say to the Ron Paul fans directly: don't be fooled by the bs, the libertarians might talk a good game about the constitution and civil liberties but the actual implementation of their neo-liberal ideology is completely contradictory with constitutional democracy, and has been part in parcel to the erosion of our civil liberties that has already taken place. The freedoms of the common person and economic neo-liberalism CANNOT coexist, they are utterly and demonstrably mutually exclusive. Privatization to the degree that 'Libertarianism' demands will turn society into a dystopian nightmare. And furthermore, opposition to immigration is totally anti-thetical to libertarianism, which demands the free movement of labor.

EDIT: I just found a very good Greek documentary about whats going on, relating to the topics we are discussing, I'm sure many of you will find it of interest

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqhns7 ... start=1255

aaaiiii! My eyes! .. it's so huge it flickers when I scroll down. (eek .. i was just curious, I'm not a Libertarian). wow.

of course having too open borders is a bad thing, the hard thing is to determine that. For example my father has a real issue getting capable research assistants so he gets them from outside.
You need an healthy amount of people moving around at all times.

Very true. It has to be decided by each country separetaly according to their social and economic conditions. Both entirely open borders or entirely closed ones are impossible to enforce in reality. The idea of completely open borders is a utopian nonsense, something no country could do without great costs and even social erosion. Its similar with countries who shut themselves off from the rest of the world. They become economically and socially stagnant. Who would want to live in a country that´s isolated from the rest of the world anyway?

So i guess satanism doesn't scare people anymore, the bm scene must resort to being nazis. I just wish they would form gangs and start killing each other again, you know, the classic stuff!!!

Yes, and it should only be decided by the host nation, not from quotas set by diktats from outside.

In some countries you need at least a degree to be issued a work visa, because you're not allowed to do manual work which would impact on the national workforce (especially to a country popular as a holiday destination ).

There is a balance to everything, upset it for whatever reason (contrived or just ineffectual people governing) and you leave the way open for people of a certain political persuasion.

And there should (must) be legal safe guards that a party voted in must honour its main manifesto pledges, else it's only a guise of democracy, and who benefits from that?

That's just wrong man. National socialists don't "...resort to being Nazis" to scare people (although some, very few, may use it for the shock factor). They just have an ideology, albeit a quite extreme one. And if it was the murders and stuff that attracted you to black metal in the first place, maybe this type of music isn't for you. Besides, would you really want musicians who you admire and whose music entertains you killing each other?

yeah the shock factor has nothing to do with it it's just the same old penis envy.

Speaking of Greek cops, someone sent me this a few days ago. [warning: meme content]

Greece was always known as a good place to visit, before abandoning the drachma, because of the favourable exchange rates; they were not a wealthy industrialised nation.

People knew at the start they could end up in trouble adopting the euro, so who's really to blame for their present predicament?

On the radio today the news people were interviewing a Greek spokesperson. Who when questioned, said its gone beyond whether they should/can repay, due to the high rate of suicides.
It's ordinary people who bear the brunt, having to live the reality. They mentioned Spain also.

It depends how you interpret Black Metal as a musical movement. Imo black metal has always been associated with a longing for the past and a hatred for the modern world. Black metal has always promoted elitism and contempt for the weak minded and obviously militarism, all of these things can be associated with fascism. Black metal at its core has always reflected Nordic culture and has evolved into the folk genre which is very concerned with pride in ones heritage and nation. Not to mention the whole warrior culture surrounding Fascism, very comparable to black metal aesthetics.

In all honesty I don't know how one doesn't associate black metal with Nationalism, even bands that aren't openly nationalistic seem to have Nationalistic themes every now and then. As for herd mentality, I don't think people really understand Fascism as an ideology, it was about unity, cultural preservation and a warrior mentality. It didn't mean people couldn't be individuals, extreme selfish individualism rather was villified.

Interesting. I always associated Black metal with individualism which is the antithesis of collectivism such as fascism and nationalism. I can see how people misunderstanding the notion of individualism and the rejection of collectivism can see it instead as the rejection of a particular collectivism (supposedly mainstream culture) but it requires selectively doing so (which for unabashed pseudo-intellectuals such as Varg trying to push a pre-existing agenda would find no problem or simply not care about the contradiction in the pursuit of pushing their right wing ideology). Hell, the glorification of nature if anything seems to push Green party ideologies much more than any "hearken to ancient ages" which only shows that black metal itself adapts to the individual rather than firmly being rooted in any "true black metal ideology."

The birthplace of western civilization will once again lead the wave of progression, this time to the tune of shiny black boots clapping rather than sandals
As to the OP's question, I think it's poorly stated as these men who to you represent "black metal in politics" reveal part of themselves through their music, and not vice versa. Because they hold office doesn't mean "black metal" is in political power or whatever. I think someone else stated something to this effect too.

What I found the most surprising is that, according to a Greek site, this guy apparently is christian-orthodox. Or maybe he just said this to go along with the party's stance. From what I understand, Golden Dawn initially rejected christianity, but embraced it somewhere down the line, probably to appeal to more people.

Anyway, I don't really get why this has a potential impact on black metal. As far as I am concerned, he is a guy who got into parliament, and besides that happens to play in a black metal band. People who play in black metal bands also have political views and will occasionally put them to practice. It's not like this guy is a member of a party that bases its views on black metal, or goes to parliament in corpsepaint.

In my opinion, black metal and any extreme right political movement are incompatible. One can be a politican and be into black metal, just as one can be a politician and be a fan of Lady Gaga. But a political movement based on the ideology? I don't see it.

And to whoever mentioned Ron Paul - speaking as an American who has to hear about this guy all the time, watching him preach his libertarianism is like watching a clown whip his dick out at a party. Kind of horrifying, not something you want your kids to see, and not something that anyone seriously believes should work its way into clown acts nationwide. And it makes you think that anyone who applauds must have brain damage.

Anyone who espouses what is basically a live and let live ideology, yet also holds political views that are obsessed with dictating individual behavior, need to be very closely watched. Their motives are not what you think.