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Xlxlx
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:15 pm 
 

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On a less embarrassing note; Necro, if you liked that, then I'd tell you to listen to A Distant Thunder in it's entirety, plus Remnants of War and Nosferatu. That's pretty much the best of their stuff, and I have the feeling you'll really enjoy it.

And about the parallel comparisons; well, we do have very similar tastes in some aspects, so that most likely has to do with it.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:24 pm 
 

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I'll be sure to do that buddy!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:50 pm 
 

Re: Helstar (yeah sorry, just that for now)
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Necro, well, the short version is "basically, what Xlxlx said." There's more well worth exploring, notably the debut, but those 3 stellar albums are at the top of your collection's secret must-have, do-want, would-kill-for list. I'm partial to "Winds of War" at the moment, as I mentioned (and both of your reviews confirmed that it's not my imagination, this song is incredibly fantastic, majestic, powerful, epic and awe-inspiring), but the fact that, as I said, I've been using their entire discography as my play-list at work lately is no masochism on my part, believe you me! I mean, dude! Discovering Helstar... You're in for a treat roughly equivalent to discovering the first couple of albums by both Crimson Glory and Agent Steel at once, and then some. Well you heard Exhibit A already. Here's Exhibit B. Exhibit C. Exhibit D. Exhibit E. Exhibit F. Exhibit Go get 'em now!. Also, of course Rivera deserves a hail, for his awesome vocals and vocal lines are a vital part of Helstar's greatness, but not to forget Larry 'Lord of the Riffs, King of Leads, Wicked Master of Intricate Compositions' Barragan! It's no mystery why the only album ever released under the Helstar name without him isn't quite on par with any of the others, or why none of the various Helstar-worshipping bands and projects Rivera fronted truly attained the level of their model (even though some really great stuff came from that as well): he's the man, man! Truth be told, fairly much all members throughout their career have been outstanding musicians, and guys like André Corbin, Jerry Abarca and Robert Trevino all deserve special mentions for strong composition/arrangements contributions and brilliant performances. Yeah, Helstar. Damn fantastic and essential heavy/power/speed/thrash band. :metal:


Yeah, I enjoyed both of your reviews, and this cross-post issue happened to me often as well, so I'll do a two-in-one while I'm at it. Here goes!

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Pretty nice instrumental track which I'd categorize as dreamy, technical heavy/thrash with prog rock influences, and I'd be curious to check out some more stuff by this guy (/band?). The production is very "modern", too much so to my tastes (too many post-Blackalbumization symptoms for me: overly high master volume, overdone compression, overall sound bordering on the robotic coldness, plastic/computer-sounding drum kit...), but it's well-balanced nonetheless, and I can look past it. Songwriting wise, it's consistent and solid enough, while not breathtaking by any means; it has a good "tells a story" overall structure, with a cool leitmotiv and many variations on this central theme, most of them clever and enjoyable. Some fat could be trimmed in the middle, though, what with the half-minute of silence + pseudo-effects + vaguely awake lead guitar in noodling mode. The musicianship is at a high level, but emotionally (yeah, here I go again) it's not exceptionally moving, to my ears at least. Pretty good stuff, and again I'd be interested in hearing a bit more.

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Wasn't too surprised at all when I eventually looked them up after the blind mode first listen, to see "Poland, early 90s", because Wolf Spider (along with Slammer, and 'Mental Reservation' era Scanner) sprung to mind right from the first deliberately, intellectually fucked-up riff. This techno-thrash band ones up all of those mindfuckers, though: for them, it's not enough to make the riffs, time signatures and song structure fucked-up, odd and off-putting, perish the thought! You mean and making the other elements in the song somewhat coherent, or even standard, maybe? Pfft! That's for sissies, man! Instead, they went full-blown fucked-up: fucked-up vocal lines, ever-changing and consistently out-of-place-sounding vocal style and delivery, randomly jazzy lead guitar-work and bass lines, and crash cymbal-driven drumming! Well, as a great philosopher once said in a great movie (see how I managed to include the word "great" thrice in a decidedly negative review? haha): "Never go full retard, man!". I suppose some really nerdy, edgy modern-day musicologists really craving for theoretical challenges will have some purpose for it, but as for me, I'm afraid this shit shall not pass. Sorry, man. Cute cover artwork, though (seriously, I'd be interested in checking the artist out)!

Let's see what you make of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yxSCt_uhcA
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:09 pm 
 

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Yeah, it is just one guy, except for the guest solo by Jeff Loomis you didn't like, and the drums are programmed. I wouldn't say this is the best song from his two records, but it was the first I heard and I think it's as good an intro as any. I understand it's not for everyone, but I like his rhythmically technical (as opposed to noodly wanking) style. I think he pulls that concept off way better than super shitty bands like Meshuggah. Oh and I'll be sure to check out those 27383 links good sir.
Edit: I won't review your track, but I will say I love that song and this is probably my second favourite Cradle release.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:40 pm 
 

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Haha! The poor guy does one guest lead, and it had to be the one part I singled out as useless. Well, let's just say I sure won't check out his stuff... As for the guy whose song you posted, not surprised at all the drums are computer-made, given how unnatural they sound. So it's just instrumentals, then? Or does he sing as well? Guess I'll find out soon enough... Also, glad to hear I'm not alone in my loving the song I posted; I'm eager to see what kind of review it'll get. Edit: and yeah, please do check out Helstar. Glad to be of service, and long live the awesome metal! :metal:
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:59 pm 
 

@LegendMaker:
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Nope, no singing just instrumentals. But there's a surprising amount of variety amongst them. But yeah, if you didn't like that blistering solo, I'd stay away from Loomis solo stuff. I personally like it, but it's basically just all hyperfast shredding.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:57 pm 
 

Cradle of Filth - Queen of Winter

So a song from Cradle of Filth back before they started getting hated on so much. This is heavier and darker than the material that came later. I still don't see this as black metal, more like extreme gothic metal or something though it certainly has some black metal influence as well as a death metal one. The drumming is perhaps what stands out to me the most here. Is Nick Barker on drums here? He is an incredible drummer. The guitar tone resembles death metal at times and plays some slightly thrashy riffs and the synth work is done really well at producing a vampiric atmosphere. The bass work is very audible and well done. I like the female wailing and spoken passages. I like how the intensity varies a lot, being somewhat slow and other times very fast and intense. Dani's vocals usually annoy the crap out of me but it actually isn't to bad here with his banshee wails. He also produces a few death grunts here and there. A pretty epic track though a bit long for my taste.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsb3tMjFb4E

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:06 pm 
 

RAM - The Elixir

Well, the song opens up with a doomish vibe. I was honestly kind of bored and was about to turn it off and skip the review, but that was before the falsetto kicked in and WOW. Similar to King Diamond and Warrel Dane, this dude's vocals from this band I've never heard of before completely kicked my ass. Throughout the rest of the song it somewhat alternates between gothic passages and heavy, falsetto-laden ones. The first part of the guitar solo hit an emotional high-note for me, then transformed back to an uninspired 80's style riff. The mix of epic doom and heavy falsetto is very interesting and I will look into this band further.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AfNOKQdY-U
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:33 pm 
 

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Eh, I have come to enjoy Geisha Goner mightily, even though I discovered them just yesterday, but I can easily see your criticisms for their music; the random ass randomness (when it comes to GG, I'm pretty sure the aforementioned phrase is not redundant) is not really easy to take unless you're already into alien, quirky, demential stuff by default.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:19 pm 
 

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Quite frankly, I much prefer Candlemass's Mirror, Mirror...but that's not what we have here is it? This starts off sounding a metric shit-ton like Queen, seriously. I know that isn't exactly a huge leap, but if the British supergroup ever went into, ahem, metal then those opening melodies would have been carved in stone by now. Now I do like me some Blind Guardian, but, I do like them in small doses: I'm not saying this track is terrible, but for me there are only so many faux Brian May moments I can handle, plus the huge amount of hey-nonny-ho! moments to be found around every corner in this ye tavern. When the more speed/power metal moments are allowed to shine, they truly do - with some furious, rampaging riffage, but they tend to ruin those glorious moments with more quasi-medieval nonsense, which in turn makes me wince in almost embarrassment. Like I stated, previously, it's not that I dislike these guys, and the vocals as usual are exemplary, as you would expect, as is the musicianship, but this particular number, has too much bad amongst the good...for my tastes.

How about this?

EDIT: @ Abom re Obliteration
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Little bit late, but better than never! I completely agree with you about Obliteration, some of the greatest DM I've heard in awhile. The whole album is masterful, in it's slightly off center, but wholly dedicated (to OSDM) feel. Amazing stuff. I wouldn't mind getting the album before Nekropsalms though, to gauge the differences in style/song writing ability. And as for Whiplash, I'll have to be gettin' some of that! Great raw thrash, with absolutely honed in song craft.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:16 pm 
 

Iniquity - Tranquil Seizure

Well, the title matches the song for sure. It definitely felt like spasms interlaced with doom-y moments of solitary introspection. Cool stuff, and even though I hate the production job (the "squeal" of 90s death metal guitars pisses me off) the song writing is strong enough where it's still really enjoyable. Definitely some neato riffs in there, especially the middle section of the song and the solo. The mid-paced drumming is crushing at times. Don't know if I'd listen to the whole album, but this song was enough to get me to check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHwFMaQt_N4
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:26 am 
 

Hiems - Painted Black

Ugrhh, ultra-modern black metal! They should be ashamed to be from the same region as Mortuary Drape. Nice over loud, in-your-face, vocal distortion, too, really keeping black metal wicked contemporary in the 21st century. Yo, Satyr raps! The production kinda sounds like a low budget version of some other modern, over-loud extreme metal production; everything's very up front and as such it doesn't really have any depth. Sounds like something Satyricon would write if they decided to embrace some cold, industrial stylings.

What horrid fizzy distortion! What boring obnoxious drums! What crappy vocals! This is lame and I never want to listen to it again... it's heavy in the same way as Anaal Nathrakh. That is, it's pretty abrasive but achieves next to nothing other than that. What boring shite! This is literally everything I don't like in black metal... Aiiieeeeeeeeeeee!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzPDISR6aC4

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:10 am 
 

The Obsessed, "River of Soul"

Hypnotic, groovy and, yes, soulful. What a great sound! The steady, laid-back yet decisive drumming provides the backbone for this slow-burning journey. There's something about it all that's rather earthbound but simultaneously spacey...like perhaps some old shaman reading the future in the stars from some dusty, wind-swept plateau. Wino's voice seems made for this sort of music. Those weird, clashing chiming notes that slightly resemble a sitar sound fantastic and add a surprising amount when they appear. I'm definitely a fan of this drumming....while there's certainly nothing fancy about itt its placement in the mix, the groove-infused yet repetitively simple delivery, all make it impossible not to rock along to this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOwdZ3_t46k
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:22 am 
 

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I've always preferred Wino in the Obsessed. He sounds like he dosen't give a fuck in Vitus.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:25 am 
 

Solemnity - The Book of Eibon

On paper, this stuff would truly impress me, but in practice? It didn't get really any kind of reaction from me. I don't hate it; I'm just utterly indifferent to it. Well, save for the singer; to hell with him and his weird ass pronunciation. Also, while he's technically good, he also sounds too emotional (yes, that's possible) and tacky to be appealing to my ears in any way, shape, or form. The music is better, although it still leaves me cold; I guess I could say that the slightly Spanish sounding acoustic picking that fades in and out of the song during it's length is kinda charming and that the bass playing is rather cool, but the guitars instill no response from my part, as they just sound very cliché and predictable (not even the leads catched my attention), and the songwriting plodding and devoid of any interesting parts. The drumming I found to be relatively engaging, but that's pretty much it. I usually like this sort of "epic" brand of heavy metal, even if only anecdotically, but Solemnity gets no pass from me. Sorry Abom.

Here is a little bite of weirdness for whoever is willing to give it some attention.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:35 am 
 

@ xlxlx

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Ah well, 'twas worth a try. I rather like them myself; while some of their songs can get a little repetitive they also have some damn fine ones, and this is one of my favourites. I think they do it rather well because of the singer, and his emotional quality, which I really like actually and which I feel sets them apart from other "epic metal" bands of a similar ilk. Strangely, while my favourite element of the band is probably the singing, the drumming is the least impressive thing about the whole band to me. :lol:

Edit: Haha, your just-posted song/band was posted by Legend Maker some ten pages back or more, and I even think i reviewed it there!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:39 am 
 

Re: Solemnity
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I liked the song, although I agree that the singer should never have went all-out from the start, and he had some problems with intonation especially in the second verse. It would've been more effective for him to take a more restrained approach during the quieter parts and conserve the energy for the heavy passages. He appeared to do the contrary in fact. I don't understand your complaints of his pronunciation though.

The riffs just before the solo were sub-par, the but the following solo itself was pretty great.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:41 am 
 

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Well, for me it's pretty much the other way around; I think I disliked the singing so much that the other elements became much more appealing than they actually might be on a general scale, although I still can't say I truly enjoyed that particular piece. I'll just crank some Mortuary Drape now to clean the boredom from my ears.....

And Ilwhyan; I believe his accent was very odd and off-putting, and I even would go so far as to say that English might not be the guy's first language. That's my problem with his pronunciation.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:43 am 
 

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:lol: Oh dear, English isn't his first language. That kind of crap always ruins everything. :durr:

Yeah, the band is German.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:46 am 
 

Re: Solemnity's singer:

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Well, as you said, "to each their own", but this comment cracked me up..."I'd even go as far as to say that English might not be the guy's first language." Well, it probably isn't! But so what? :lol:
Anyway, I think I'm mostly partial to this song not because of the riffs, but because of the theme of sorcery and ancient magic, which is conveyed well by not only the lyrics, but the atmosphere/mood of the music.

But by all means, listen to more Mortuary Drape!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:48 am 
 

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My problem isn't that English is not his first language; it's the fact that he doesn't seem to pronounce it properly. If you can't speak a language well enough, then why don't you just sing in your mother tongue? And just to make things clear, let me say that I usually don't have problems with accents (actually, I love Hansi Kursch all the more because of his rather unique pronunciation), but this lad is an exception to that rule.

And about Mortuary Drape; hell yes, listening to Necromaniac right now. Secret Sudaria is a wonderful album!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:50 am 
 

On pronunciation:
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I actually agree that more bands should have lyrics in their native language rather than always English. However, I don't think you'd prefer singing in German if you can't tolerate this singer's accent. German is rarely a smooth, elegant sounding language compared to even poorly pronounced English.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:52 am 
 

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Well Ilwhyan, you certainly have a strong point there. Bah, to hell with it; I'd rather hear someone else singing for Solemnity. End of story.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:24 pm 
 

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Xlxlx wrote:
I absolutely, positively, passionately HATE Sacred Steel: "Wargods of Metal" band, so I think it should be funny to know what someone else thinks of them.
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Edit: Haha, your just-posted song/band was posted by Legend Maker some ten pages back or more, and I even think i reviewed it there!

Yop, as far back as Page FOUR, actually! Maybe we should start keeping tabs... :lol:
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Sacred Steel: "Wargods of Metal"

I think I heard this song a very long time ago. I somehow remembered the singing being....well, sillier...but either I was thinking of different tunes or else I've just grown more accepting of such things. ANyway, this is what I would consider a classic speed metal sound. Nothing fancy or overdone, and memorable and spirited, if a little predictable. Demands to be played very loud! I almost wish they'd done more with the solo section, but then I suppose "quick and to the point" basically fits the nature of the song in question. Just when I thought that chorus was getting a little overdone, they ended it...nice.


Anyways, won't post the same song twice, right? Can you post something else, Xlxlx? Or Abom gets a freebie.

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And Sacred Steel's early stuff is excellent! :metal: :nods:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:53 pm 
 

Okay, I just changed the song. Go on people, nothing to see here!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:42 am 
 

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The fuck?...This starts with a tiny shred of promise, before soundly and unrepentantly pissing upon it from every direction. Actually the first 19 seconds is about the only bit I really "enjoyed". The oh so clever, switching of timing, and utterly fucking horrible, cheesy synths deserve a severe spanking, as do the woeful vocals - both of them. The harsh vocals sound like they were sampled from Mike Patton having a kidney stone removed, or worse. The wanky noodly arrangement of this...tweeness is not a thing of beauty as far as I'm concerned either, with stuttering, stop/start sections that are jarring and just plain awful. I really don't see the flow of this, and if there is one to be enjoyed, I do not like it, and won't understand those who do. This couldn't command my attention - it only inspired ire. Bloody atrocious.

Need this to clean my ears out...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:01 am 
 

Trench Hell - Sadistic Messiah

Starts quite promisingly, but then the intro gets sort of stuck. For a moment I'm reminded of the never ending intro somewhere in that metal enterprises fake album of Killer Fox. This isn't bad, of course, like that, but this also never ends! When it does, though, it gets awesome. Gritty, cocaine and alcohol infused thrash with that awesome speed metal flair. I like it a lot, even though the vocalist sounds like his attempt to go vomit his guts out at 4 am after twelve hours of relentless partying was intercepted and he had to go record. The band sounds incredibly enthusiastic though, the chord progressions are powerful heavy metal style and everything absolutely rocks here except the tired vocalist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5jRCFnFsBY

Nothing obscure, but I was just listening to this, and I love the intro so much.
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:lol: your description of Kellhammer is pretty much spot on, and gave me a bit of a chuckle. This band fucking slays live, the intensity and all out aggression is awesome.
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Ilwhyan wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5jRCFnFsBY

Nothing obscure, but I was just listening to this, and I love the intro so much.


Primordial - Traitors Gate

Primordial are a problematic band for me, they're quite good but their material is riddled with stuff that makes me just go "Eh, it's alright." That intro riff is nice, but for a whole minute with little or no variation? It feels a least twice as long as it need be. I don't really like the snare sound for blasting either... but that's a minor quibble. The next riffset is similarly windswept and epic, and that is basically Primordial's one gear. I feel that their music is perhaps a little bit too vocal centric, the guitars do definitely get shafted so Alan can take the spotlight so more with his "ssoooooo....windswept....sooooooo.... IRISH!!!" vocals. This band do well to appeal to that romantic Celtic notions some folks seem to habour and I'm sure they do well in most foreign territories, just like Irish bars can be found anywhere in the world. There's nothing wrong with that, though, it's just that while they've nailed the windswept-Irish-wailing vibe they've seemingly neglected to make their music particularly interesting. The guitars are just too contented with sticking to one gear for an overly long period of time. The atmosphere is nice, sure, but I just can't fall for this band's writing. Stop resting on your epic laurels and give me some moving music. Admittedly the octave riff that appears towards the song's end is a welcome bit of relief but it feels like it has arrived too late.... and the fact that the drummer keeps up his boring blasting makes it just that little bit more monotonous.

You're epic, sure, but Solstice you ain't. Go back to the chalkboard and think a little more about the compositions rather than the atmosphere. Epic? Sure. Musically interesting? Errrrrrr, kinda-not-really-getting-there-must-try-harder. Bunch of C students, I can tell.

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I wholeheartedly agree with what you said about the instrumental side more or less merely setting the stage for Alan. It's a shame considering how good stuff the guitarists can pull off. Most of the songs don't warrant running times of nearly ten minutes. That said, I just listened to No Nation On the Earth earlier today, a song of over eight minutes, and it felt like two and a half! Sometimes it really works for me, and then sometimes I feel like just listening to songs written with the riffs in mind where vocals only complement the music.
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Re: Primordial again...

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Not much else to add really; this band has come up here at least twice already and they've already been discussed loads. But yeah, I love them, repetitive riffs and all. Sure, not all their stuff is equally strong, but I find it hard to fault their intentions, ever, even if there are a couple of albums in the discography I'll hardly play.
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Not much of a tech/prog fan, uh?
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@Xlxlx
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Now what gives you that idea? Seriously though, that shite was....shite. Utter garbage, with no musical merit to be found whatsoever (except for 19 seconds). They are clearly talented musicians, so why piss it away writing such total fucking drivel? Enjoy it all you want, I won't hold it against you, but DEFINITELY not my thing.
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Calm down man, I wasn't attacking you. Just treading the waters here. But hey, this kind of stuff happens all the time; the stuff you hate about them is what makes me love 'em. It's funny how perspectives work most of the time. Gotta say this, though; I think it was a bit funny how blatantly you hated the song, almost as if it offended you :lol: But yeah, no hard feelings comrade, even though your opinion is wrong :-P
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So nobody wants to review that Thin Lizzy track?
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@necro, I just did, but my browser crashed and ate it, I'll try again:

Thin Lizzy: "Opium Trail"

This song is all about phil, and by that I don't just mean that it's one of his "drug stories". Basically his vocals and, especially, the powerful bass-work completely dominate the song, leaving the guitars to be merely support, except for the solos of course. Those basslines intrigued me throughout the music, with the amazing upward run during the fill leading to the first verse being only the start in a dancing, magical set of licks that never fail to command the attention. i wish there was more bass like this in rock these days. The dialogue between left-side Phil, who's arguing with right-side Phil at two points during this song, is great sounding. I think the first solo is pretty tasty (is it just me or does it remind anyone else of Steve Miller? heheh), but the second solo was promising to be killer until one of those patented inappropriate 70s fade-outs killed it completely. Really, the 70s was the best time for rock music, but all producers seemed to be in love with the fade-out then and it's annoying how great bands can seldom seem to finish a song properly!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ94vl1jYY8
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Metal Ed : Desolation Angels.

Traditional Metal Ed! This has trademark galloping riffs aplenty, the unpropulsive, slow drumming strangely working well. Overall, this dosen't go any faster than mid-pace. The solo sort of comes and goes, which was a disappointment as I generally expect strong solos in this kind of thing. The song is really short and sweet though, so I suppose they didn't want to put a minute long solo as it would ruin the feel. Not going to comment on the production :p I like the vocalist's tone, and his vocal lines are nice and catchy but I find him unadventurous. He doesn't try anything too out there and mostly rigidly sticks to the melody. The song was pretty good, but unremarkable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSsVIERKD58
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@ necro/re: Desolation Angels

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I think the guitarwork is what stands out in that song/band. It's, I feel, rather dark and captivating, especially for an NWOBHM band that came about late in the game. There's something really magical sounding there. However, I'll agree that the singer's kind of flat...
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Jerry Cantrell - Pig Charmer

Haven't heard his solo stuff but I do love me some Alice in Chains. This is fairly similar to Alice in Chains though not quite as intense. This is quite slow and very much grunge with an emphasis on thick bass. There are a lot of little interludes where all you hear is the bass guitar twanging away. I would prefer if there was a lot less on those little interludes as I like it when things are a little more intense. The drums sort of plod slowly along. I love the vocals and as expected is very much like the work of Alice in Chains as he is the co-vocalist. I found myself getting more and more into the song as it went along so maybe I would enjoy it more on repeated listens. Overall I enjoyed it but wouldn't put it in the same league as Alice in Chains.

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Xenomorph - Plight of the Cimmerian

This isn't my usual cup of tea seeing as I don't usually care for harsh vocals, but I like it. The vocals are crisp and menacing, but are comprehensible and fit in well with the fast-paced guitarwork present all throughout. The song covers the gamut of death metal, from low and slow(er) to blisteringly fast and vicious. The breakdown at 3:44 and beyond is definitely a treat for the ears, also. Wasn't expecting to like this song nearly as much as I do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd0oEX5hgm0
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