I'm a big PLF fan and I've got Crushing Fury but thanks anyways dude

Hi guys, in order to keep expanding my musical library, this time I'm looking for some grindcore, I don't know a lot of this genre, but, bands like Cattle Decapitation, Misery Index, and early The Red Chord comes to mind, the thing I would like to hear is heavy and crushing riffing with nice drums not just blast beats, vocals can be as chaotic as you like, but the production should be at least a bit polished (just a bit) I don't want over produced stuff but nothing to raw either, I don't mind death and/or black influences.

So, I'm looking for:

-Heavy riffing
-Decent production
-Variated Drums
-Any kind of vocals (Shrieks, growls, screams)

Thanks !

Question: what separates Grindcore from Death Metal/Brutal Death Metal and from Deathcore? Are we talking vocals (screaming vs. low growls) and amount of breakdowns mainly, or are there other obvious differences? I can say I love BDM, and might like some more Grindcore or Deathcore but typically not and I'm not entirely sure why. Thoughts/feedback?

Grindcore: shorter songs, hardcore and crust punk influence in riffs and vocals (no sewer vocals as I like to call them), uses groovier and slower riffs to offer variation. Simple and fast drumming. Not very technical usually.

Brutal death metal: longer songs, lower vocals, metal influence and slams/breakdowns. Technicality in playing is more common.

Deathcore: Usually very chug-and breakdown oriented, songs are usually slower and more structured than BDM. Riffs are more melodic than BDM. Also, using multiple vocal styles is more common in deathcore.

Cephalic Carnage - Anomalies and Xenosapien: Varied tech grind with a wealth of different influences. Though, I'm sure you've heard of them

Crowpath - Son of Sulphur: Some of the most unique and creative drumming I've ever come across on a grind album. Not too many blastbeats as I can recall, but a truly off the wall, and creative performance.

Antigama - Warning and Resonance: In a word, insane. Again, extremely varied drumming with tempos almost verging on mathcore here.

i REALLY want to love Coke Bust but man does that tough guy bullshit bum me out

Lines in the Sand is a great place to start. It's probably their most straight up album.

Thats actually the one I was talking about. I actually don't know most of the lyrics but going off of some of those song titles and the intro to "Dying for Respect," they just get too "tough guy hardcore" for me. Which sucks since otherwise they're pretty killer. Haven't heard the rest of their discography though, does it have the same aesthetic as Lines in the Sand?

Tough guy hardcore's one of my favorites. I can't tell if you're asking for more, or something like Coke-Bust without the good parts. Regardless, I'll force my opinion upon you.

Weekend Nachos- Unforgivable. Sludge influenced tough guy power violence that's bleak and devastating. My favorite work of theirs.

Despise You. My all time favorite pv band. West Side Horizon's a great catch all. Metallic sounding, great vocals, high energy.

Infest- No man's Slave. Originators, etc. This album continues to be one of the best in the world of punk. More punky then you'd expect, less tough guy then other suggestions.

Nails- Huge metal influence with that Swedish death metal guitar tone, just enough tough guy to make me want to break something.

others you might like Apartment 213, Mind Eraser (particularly the Prodigal Son Brings Death) In Disgust (Reality Choke), Lack of Interest.

Hope this helped.

Insect Warfare- World Extermination. Best grindcore album since Pig Destroyer's Prowler in the Yard.

Pig Destroyer- Prowler in the Yard. Disgusting, crazy, amazing riff work, some of my favorite drumwork; perfect. Must listen. Outside the box of grindcore with attention to guitarwork, imagery, atmosphere and crazy vocals.

Looking For an Answer- Eterno Treblinka. Death metal influenced grind that's super heavy and powerful. Animal rights ethos like Cattle Decap.

Afgrund-Vid Helvetets Grindar. ploished grindcore with catchy and memorable guitarwork, great vocals, and dynamic songwriting.

Swarrrm- Nise Kyuseishu Domo. As crazy and multi-faceted as grindcore gets. one of my favorite bands. Vocals are completely insane, guitarowkr jumps from grind to jazzy and melodic. the drumwork is top notch and jazz influenced. If you could only listen to one recomendation I'd suggest this.

Haven't heard Apartment 213 or Mind Eraser, I'll look into them thanks. All in all, I wasn't particularly fishing for reccs, just generally complaining I guess. I was incredibly stoked to hear Coke Bust after learning about the Magrudergrind connection and finally snagged the album from a friend and it just caught me off guard and really bummed me out. I really dig Nails but man is their frontman a tool. "Just got a compliment on my t-shirt, that's what's up!"

Edit: I guess if you have any "Coke Bust without the good parts (read: tough guy act)" reccs I'd be interested to hear them, I'm familiar with the bands you mentioned already though

Edit 2: As for the interesting drumming rec, look into the post-Crowpath band Tellusian as well. They continue the same path with the kind of early metalcore riffing and overactive drumming as Crowpath but work in some insanely catchy bits as well. As far as I know, they've only got a few tracks out at the moment but they're all excellent. Also seconding Crowpath and Antigama

Grindcore is rooted mainly in punk with various bands incorporating more or less metal influence. If you look at the originators/cornerstones of the genre as an example:

Napalm Death "Scum" - Little to no metal influence.
Repulsion "Horrified" - Some metal influence but still firmly rooted in punk aesthetic.
Terrorizer "World Downfall" - Significant metal influence but still rooted in punk.

For modern examples of true grindcore look at bands like Insect Warfare, PLF, Death Toll 80k, Archagathus, Bloody Phoenix, Wadge, Parlamentarisk Sodomi, Powercup, Pizza Hi Five, 50/50. In these bands you can see a vast spectrum of influence... some incorporating a significant amount of metal influence and some incorporating almost none... but you can also see a common aesthetic across them. Blistering speed, harsh vocals, riffs in the vein of punk/early hardcore/thrash or early death metal, NO breakdowns.

Death Metal is pretty self explanatory... though there is definitely crossover ala deathgrind. Bands like Carcass' early works and Exhumed are pretty good examples of this along with Nasum... pretty much taking the standard aesthetics of early death metal and incorporating more blasting and even more focus on speed... still no breakdowns (at least in the modern connotation of the term). Brutal Death Metal is essentially the same thing but with "slams" or "breakdowns" but the bands are still firmly rooted in death metal.

Deathcore... well I don't really know much about deathcore because I think it's fucking awful but to my ears it has no business pretending it has anything to do with death metal. Nor does it have anything at all to do with grindcore AT ALL... don't let the -core suffix fool you, deathcore is trendy kids playing chug chug guitar parts (I will not slander the word "riff" by using it to describe what they're doing) in combination with techy wanking parts ala Psyopus and as many breakdowns as they can pack into a song. Vocals vary from bree bree sounding screams to clean vocals over melodic choruses.

Don't listen to deathcore... even if the jump from BDM isn't that far. BDM seems to focus a lot on groovy riffing so I would recommend you check out some goregrind bands instead as I think you would enjoy them. I'm not super versed in the subgenre but definitely check out 50/50, Couple Skate, early Carcass, Dead Infection, Exhumed, General Surgery, Last Days of Humanity, and Impaled. Long post is long.

I'm looking for some noisy grindcore/goregrind, stuff like Last Days of Humanity's "Putrefaction in Progess" with the hatefilled feeling of Nasum. Lot's of blastbeats would be a plus. Vocals can be screamed, growled or whatever, however, while I do like pitchshifted vocals, I'm not crazy about super pitchshifted vocals like those on LDOH's "PiP". I'd like the production to be decent, doesn't have to be all polished, but not too bad either.

Other grindcore/goregrind bands/albums I like is Regurgitate, Nasum(as mentioned), Trap Them's "Sleepwell Deconstructor(only one I've heard from them so far) and Dead in the Dirt's "Fear".

Haemorrhage and Looking For an Answer are two of Spain's best. The former is much more of a goregrind, where as the latter is more death metal influenced.

As far as chaotic check out Parlamentarisk Sodomi. Hatefilled check out Suffering Mind

Already know about Haemorrhage, Morgue Sweet Home is a great album, have to check out more of their stuff.. will check out the other bands as well, thanks!

Keep the recs coming!

You should try Excruciating Terror. Good lord, such violence!

Speaking of the whole tough guy thing earlier, does anyone have some good, dumb tough-guy hardcore stuff? I love stuff like the Irate - Burden of a Crumbling Society demo and Bad Luck 13 Riot Extravaganza.

This one's a bit outside what you're asking for but you I bet you'd like the war metal band Damaar. First thing that comes to mind when I think of "violent" music and it's got a similar huge "wall of noise" effect that PiP's got.
DO YOU WISH TO DIE

Hoods. That shit's pretty dumb and good.

I remember digging on "Endless Pain" back in the day but I can't in good conscience recommend them now

That's sound great, will do, thanks!



So far I haven't been into any of the so-called war metal bands, that I've heard, but I'll check them out when I get home from work, thanks!

Wow, listening to Damaar right now, it's some seriously insane stuff, I think I might even start to like this after a few listens! This is truly some hateful-sounding and just fucking shit metal! Thanks man!

No worries dude, enjoy!

Maybe not exactly 'dumb tough guy' but I really like Hatebreed, which I'm not sure why are even labeled 'hardcore'. They're more 'metal' than 75% of the bands accepted on this site...yet I digress. The guitar riffs and drums are particularly enjoyable, to me. They play mostly in B tuning(s) so the tone is very heavy and crunchy like I like it. Check out (in this order for me):

-Rise Of Brutality - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-WO6q3bS70 , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6-7jopTF5Q
-Supremacy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_VTfrF6TWU , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ln3qxOUqsQ
-Hatebreed (self titled) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTO73FCIE2M , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEeUOXT5GNM
-Perseverance - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccR6hAthfmI , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3brAHh-G ... 75CA6852C5

I saw Hoods at a friends house like four years ago, and we hotboxed his bedroom which is right above the garage. When we went downstairs the band stopped playing and their singer guy angrily said "it smells like the ganje!" We ended up lieaving early because of all the angry looks we kept getting from the straight edge kids haha.

I haven't been following this, but has anybody mentioned BLOOD?

Somebody must have, but I thought I would throw it in anyways. More Death/Grind kind of but their songs are fast brief and brutal. Everything to be desired in this sort of group.

Oh yeah, mentioned many times. One of my favorites.

Yeah, Blood is fantastic.

And thanks to the guys above for the recommendations. Hatebreed ain't bad, still need to get around to checking out Hoods.

Trapped Under Ice play pretty good thuggy, tough-guy hardcore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooPFt-x25SE

Hey guys
so i really really like Napalm Death (and pig destroyer of course since i'm new to enjoying grind ) and i was wondering if you guys could recommend me some grind with that groovy death metal influence and clearly hardcore punk roots (political/social issues in lyrics etc).
basically bands like Napalm Death ahaha

There's loads... Can't go wrong with Nasum, Rotten Sound, Insect Warfare, Death Toll 80K etc etc... I would also say Misery Index, but some people would say that's more death metal.

If he sticks to Dissent it should be relevent since they kinda walk the line on that album.

Get the Crowd Control/ Agathoceles split. The Crowd Control side is just what your looking for dude!

thanks guys i'll look em up asap

also i like Doom a lot so any crust/grind like that would be nice

I'm your guy! I got tons of that kind of stuff but I'm on campus right now... Shoot me a private message and when I get home I can share a bunch of stuff via Soulseek with you if your down.

thanks bro! but...the hell is Soulseek? xD

It's a p2p filesharing program- Like Limewire if it were actually useful. I recommend you check it out.

does it work for Mac OSX?

Nope.

Dunno if I'm late to the party, but Hatred Surge is finally recording a new album, called Human Overdose. Should rule.