Nope, this is not the point. Just forget it, this could be a long discussion and does not probably fits in the forums. One thing to add is that in such cases you should've probably go with your tendencies about accepting the band.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fracture/3540332748

Highly suspicious. I cannot find anything on google, except a myspace page with 3 tracks: http://www.myspace.com/568484312 If you listen to the first and the third tracks, it seems that the man recorded his vocals over the "background music". Also after registration in May 2011, there is only one message, saying an EP's out for 2 euro.

The submitter http://www.metal-archives.com/users/skeletorissatan666 only modifies this band and submitted two reviews, to two releases which are nowhere to be found. Another suspicious thing is, in the additional notes of "Crush The Fuckers", it says "demo directly bought from the band for 20 pounds". Really?! A local band sold their first demo for 20 pounds?! But for "Conversation With The Reaper", it says "the album is available directly off the band or via mail order. Email skeletorissatan AT inbox DOT com". This is the submitter's email. He first bought the demo, and now he is a band member? It is possible that this guy is trolling. I have sent him an email to him 2 days ago and a MA message. Im waiting for his reply.

What I am asking is, someone please listen to the myspace songs and tell if they (the "background music") belong to some other band(s). (I don't listen to death metal.)

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Tem ... 3540342726 release ?

It's a mod's submitted band. You can trust that he has a source.

I know, but it should be mentioned on the page.

The band gets automatically approved when a mod submits it. Give the mod a little more time to complete the info.

Deleted Vitandus. Duplicate of the same band that was submitted a while ago.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Tem ... 3540342726

Why was this band accepted, neither of these are acceptable splits according to the site's rules and I can't find a demo...

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Karnae/3540342762 this band is already in the archives, I even attached a report to the page once it was in the queue.

This band http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gehenna/117142 should be removed they changed name to http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gehennah/3070 as you can see between Gehenna and Gehennah there is no significant difference.

The difference might be the addition of black metal in their music.

How can you be sure that they didn't play thrash/black metal as Gehenna too? Well as the description said they aimed to cover Venom..

How can you be sure that they did? Do you own their demos?

Nope, so you are saying in such situations the band could be accepted? Well doesn't make much sense to me.

It was added by a mod, so one would assume that he knew the rules. Still should show something about a valid release, though. I've contacted him in the past about it, but so far he hasn't responded.

1 week ago this band http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Vag ... 3540343084 didn't have any physical release, info was sent to me by the band members. I dunno what did the user provide as a proof of physical release.

http://doomsmoker.pl/home/index.php?opt ... &Itemid=18
http://doomsmoker.pl/home/index.php?opt ... &Itemid=18

Another example of a more liberal use of the term "CD"?

Chances are, I probably know at least one person in Stockholm that has them.
I can find out in due time, if that will make your panties itch less?

Have you even seen Gehennah live? I saw their last gig before they re-united and I must say it was the best three and a half songs I've ever seen a band play.

You may remove the band, they don't have a physical CD as I said 1 week ago I was in contact with the members and they denied having any physical CD. They will "probably" release their first physical album "wood" but they didn't do that yet, as they said. I was also in contact with the band http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Luc ... ral/123503 and they assured me that this split (with Vagitarians) http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Lu ... ans/319329 was not released physically yet. They plan to release the split sometimes in the future once they got money to do so.

Gone.

I've gotten in contact with one of the guys in the band (Kevin Sciortino), just waiting for his reply now so hold onto your hat.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Utuk_Xul/23489

The so-called demo is only one track from a compilation "Underground Chaos" by GmH Records. I googled it and no resource says the band release it separately. Also I mentioned in another thread that "demo" is misused in many parts of the world; people could call a few recorded song a "demo", despite the fact that it never got released.
One ref: http://gmhrecords.com.pk/blog/?page_id=35

Another instance of misuse of "demo': http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ruin/3540312522
This is the first song recorded by the band (and probably the only song). Again no recourse says the band released it on physical form. But people still call it a "demo". Take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EcpJRzoUvc The description says the band used a 40 year old mac because of lack of money. Would such a band release just one track on CDR?

I will delete them if no one opposes.

Why was G.U.T. acepted on M-A?

This band has no metal (apart of This only cover).

Their whole album is just Electro/Pop, Nothing else, metal is not present here.

Check some samples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2J5cPzk ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2CGt8DA ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2CGt8DA ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2CGt8DA ... re=related

(Just think, Compare True Heavy Metal With "This")

It's a valid side project of a metal musician; in this case by a member from Solefald.

I thought so too, but is the label 'Von Jackhelln Inhuman' considered to have world wide distribution? The band was submitted in 2007, before that rule was created if I recall correctly.

It's sold/distributed on at least CD Baby, that should be sufficient. Also, the same label has a Solefald release, which as far as I know was available worldwide too.

70s HARD ROCK bandUrchin should be deleted.It's clearly NOT METAL band.Not even NWOBHM!!!! If they didn't have that Maiden Connection, they probably wouldn't have been included.

Why was Tempus Fugit Acepted?

In case that a band just featured on compliations, doesn't mean that they have a physical release.
Not even a demo.

This band should be deleted:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ogd ... 3540343339

Read the bottom right:
http://www.metal-archives.com/images/3/ ... 4.jpg?3719

Not publicly available.

Sorry if this has been brought up before, but why is Old Silver Key on the Archives? Yeah I know it's a side project of Neige and the dudes from Drudkh, but it's definitely not metal...

Gone.


You're obviously not familiar with the side-project rule, then. A band must be metal before being admitted to MA, unless it's an established side-project of distinguished metal musicians. Which this band most certainly is, so it fits under the side-project rule.

It's all in the rules if you feel like reading, y'know.

Haha oh c'mon! I've been on this site for longer than you have! But yeah yeah, I'm vaguely familiar with the side project rule, I just don't think it makes much sense...if a project that has distinguished metal musicians is the criteria for getting on here, then why isn't Les Discrets on here? I know this band has been brought up to death, but they've got Fursey who was in Amesoeurs, Alcest, Empyrium, and Phest, and Winterhalter who was in Alcest, Amesoeurs, Peste Noire, and others. Plus, Les Discrets is a lot closer to metal than Old Silver Key Not trying to argue here, just curious.

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As far as I know, there wasn't a rule that said the side project musicians should be well known in the metal scene so the band can have access on here, but there was a rule saying that the band should be signed to a world known metal music label (e.g: Napalm Records) so it gets a room here.
If something changed, I dont know..

*sigh* There's really no delicate way to put this... so I'll just go ahead and say it. Fursey isn't a distinguished enough metal musician. Sure, a lot of people in the post-rock/shoegaze worlds would have heard of him, but his roles in metal bands have ultimately been ephemeral at best. Now, the side-project rule has been the battleground for countless arguments and confused discussions in the past, and I can't count how many times I've seen somebody try and get a questionable/borderline band into MA by bringing up the side-project rule.


Well... it wasn't actually a rule. More of a guideline to help justify what should and shouldn't qualify as a side-project in the site's eyes. People have since taken it as gospel, however, and believed it was set-in-stone rule.

??? It's not Metal band!!! Not Even NWOBHM!!! Anyone ever listened URCHIN??? 70s Hard Rock!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRHVHhj7 ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=optntMBW ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le9Z0pXH ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UDovEyB ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG7iOi10 ... re=related


Where's NWOBHM ? Where's METAL ? Just someone totally DEAF say it's Metal band and belongs here.PRAYING MANTIS and VARDIS were 100 times more NWOBHM than this URCHIN.

I really, really, really, really, really, really, really appreciate the added emphasis in your message, by the way. The capital letters and superfluous exclamation marks really helped bring it to my attention.

Regarding the music, it doesn't sound metallic at all. Very happy hard rock. Deleted.

Well, he hasn't gotten back to me, so screw 'em. I'm getting rid of it.

Yeah, I understand your point, so I'm not trying to argue. I will have to politely disagree with you about Fursey not being involved with enough metal bands though...besides the metal bands he's played music with, he's directed music videos for Alcest, Secrets of the Moon, Old Silver Key, Ghost Brigade, and has done cover art for Alcest, Amesoeurs, Drudkh, Heretoir, Lantlos, Miserere Luminis, Morbid Angel, Woods of Ypres, and others. I guess my point is that this guy's name is everywhere in the metal scene these days (and he's only going to get involved with more metal bands and projects), so that's why I feel like he's "distinguished enough" in the world of underground metal.

The staff recently opted to take a look again at the side-project and non-metal policy the site has. Alhadis pointed out one reasoning for taking the look - some policies were taken more as granted in a mechanical fashion - but the other reasoning was that the side-project policy had lost its way from what was originally intended. Non-metal projects, including side-projects, were intended to be included on an exceptional basis, based on characteristics like "how notable the artist/project is in metal?" whether it "has/had the listenership of metalheads?" or even the "recognition that it gets within the metal scene." The key was both on the connection to the artist, and whether it makes sense to include a non-metal project into a metal-based encyclopedia. The added guidelines, like worldwide distribution and ideally a full-length release were included as a way of weeding out ephemeral projects. Side-projects, in particular, have the added expectation that they must be produced in tandem with the metal project whose artist they have in common.

The inclusion of non-metal is arbitrary, based on an idea about whether such a project is a part of the metal scene (in the way Karl Sanders' project might be considered as such). Les Discrets certainly might have the listenership among metalheads, but does it have the connections and can it be said to be a recognized part of the metal scene... outside of the help of its artists... (or is it, as Alhadis notes, recognized in the post-rock scene only, in terms of the music).

I would argue that Les Discrets definitely has the listenership among metalheads, and while I'm sure there are tons of non-metalheads that love Discrets, look at Les Discret's interviews...many of them are through METAL websites:
MTUK METAL ZINE (http://www.metalteamuk.net/apr10int/int ... screts.htm)
ABSOLUTE ZERO MEDIA (http://azm-magazine.blogspot.com.au/201 ... nally.html)
METALSHIP (en.metalship.org/interviews/95-Les_Discrets)
FORBIDDEN MAGAZINE (http://forbidden-magazine.com/2010/06/les-discrets/)
BLISTERING (http://www.blistering.com/fastpage/fpen ... x/5/link/1)
LORDS OF METAL (http://www.lordsofmetal.nl/showintervie ... 28&lang=en)
PLANET MOSH (http://www.planetmosh.com/fursy-teyssie ... use-210212)
THIS IS NOT A SCENE (http://www.thisisnotascene.com/2012/les ... -oubliees/)

This all from the first page of google results when I searched for "Les Discrets interview"...every single site that came up on the first page (excluding Les Discrets' own Facebook page) was an interview from a metal website. It just seems silly to argue that this band isn't a part of the metal scene given who Les Discrets is being interviewed by, the metal bands Fursy Teyssier works for, and the metal bands Fursy and Winterhalter have played with.