Howdy.

Got some lyrics here, of a comparatively variety.

" VIOLENCE IS GOLDEN
In these, the Last Days
before Armageddon,
comes the mighty nightstorm, (and)
the Mist brings the Chosen

Black against blue,
the Raven has flown;
Darkness, now,
as the world closes

now there be fewer dogs,
with each swing of the Axe;
all Aktion is prayer:
pray with the Axe

And the Chosen?
Feed them to the Young Lions;
in this Hellscape,
VIOLENCE is golden

KILL on command,
KILL with Hearts so cold,
KILL because you can:
VIOLENCE is Golden"

Next time, we can look at something rather more unsafe, and see how that goes.

I'm sorry but I don't really understand what you're trying to say here...

What do you mean by safe? Safe compared to what? And what are you trying to say about safe/unsafe lyrics?

I guess it's about not being derogatory, racist, shockingly antichristian/violent and stuff like that.

I like it, it could fit a death or a black metal song with ease. I expected something far more explicit/shocking but it's well written and suits the music nicely.

If those are your lyrics, Mr. Worm, then you can also check this thread out and post those lyrics there: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=57567&start=400

That's a thread that revolves around lyrics and feedback. Of course, if this deals with your new band, posting these lyrics in your own band's is also a safe bet.

Such a silly OP... Maybe this was a sort or esoteric Zen thingy? Dunno...

OK, since there seems to be a possibility that the first post actually WAS by Lord Worm, let's reopen the thread. My apologies for being rude and hasty, if that indeed is the case.

I must defend my silliness by pointing out that every permutation of "Varg Vikernes" is likely the 30-something Göran af Gyllenbögel from Västerås, someone called something like Kevin Poindexter "ZitFaceFuck" Morrison from Butthill, Nevada, or possibly AckhmedHassan Pranzaphutrameesapiliplunk from the suburbs of Bangalore, rather than the Goofy Man himself. The same goes for every username based on any Iron Maiden member, especially for all of the Halford clones, and applies to every Ronnie James Dio concoction on the board. I JUST CAN'T KNOW! And the default option is to doubt everything.

Post away, people.

So even if this is the real Lord Worm...what is this thread all about? Safe lyrics? What does that even mean?

He's asking for feedback on lyrics that he wrote. It would work either in the lyric feedback thread, but it'd probably be best if it remained in the thread on his own band. That way, instead of being open to the entire board, it'd be on topic with an already existing thread.

But it's Lord Worm so I can go uueuueugueugehghe ueuuegeuugeguehgegh ugeuguegueeugeghgegghehgheh EUEEEUGEGEGEUEGEH myself.

I think "safe" lyrics can almost work better because they're different and more creative. Edgar Allen Poe-esque lyrics blend very well with black metal especially, but even Death metal can work without satan/gore

Rather vague, and anyone could insert their own interpretation into it. Perhaps it's a little too vague, one may not know what you are actually trying to portray, image-wise.

Also, I'll believe it if he posts lyrics to a song that actually becomes released,
Otherwise it seems like another Cryptopsy-worshiper at this point.

The songs he posted lyrics to are on the myspace: http://www.myspace.com/ragenucleaire

Bolt Thrower has shown us that death metal can be about war and destruction without being, er, unsafe.

And if Bolt Thrower does it, then that means it's awesome.

I quite like the phrase "pray with the axe". Well-written lyrics, though it could use more "colour", i.e. a little more imagery and a clearer meaning.

Also, is it just me or is Bolt Thrower the most beloved death metal band on MA? Really, there should be a whole sub-forum called The Bolt Thrower Boner Brigade.

There are some groups that anyone into metal can't deny.

Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden...Bolt Thrower.

Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and Black Sabbath ... really? Sub par stuff with crappy vocals IMO, and I am 'into metal'.

Back on thread: 'safety' as in acceptance mainly revolves around artistic meanings. You can write beautiful lyrics about death, killings, even gore (Carcass, some pathogrind bands) and get positive feedback. However, writing beautiful lyrics about racism (from the 'wrong' side, look at Arghoslent, they are one of the few racist bands with actually good lyrics at times) isn't going to get you love.

The reason for that is social inequality, taboo and sensitive history and a difference between obvious art (gore, death, expression) and political motives and inciting to real life hatred and killings.

That, Worm, is they reason why I am appalled at the use of SS death heads in your project Rage. It has nothing to do with the lyrics an sich (even the rather obvious reference to Aktion T4) but the affilitation with a real life political group and paramilitary unit that willingly gassed numerous mangled families.
There is nothing artistic or edgy about that, it's plain insulting to any sane person.

EDIT: I saw your reply in the other thread now about this issue. I can see how you would want to use it in its 'objective' (IE killings) meaning instead of its political meaning. A fair bit of warning though: expect a lot of controversy. I don't mean the 'good' controversy like with your twisted lyrics in NSV, but I mean the shunned kind of controversy that makes people wonder about your views.

I don't see what all the fuss about the Death's Head is.... It was an SS symbol, so what... They used Elder Futhark runes as well, are those supposed to have racialist meanings as well now? One could claim that the British flag is racist due to all of the imperialist warmongering that came about from that empire...

I see what they are doing... Hatred and death is hatred and death period. This is extreme fucking metal, not politically correct music... I didn't see anyone complain with the overtly sociopathic and serial-killer-esque lyrics from NSV.

Back on topic with the lyrics, though... Much respect Mr. Greening. I write lyrics from a poetic/fucked up bent as well and you were the one whose style really influenced me, both lyrically as well as vocally.

My advice, what little it's worth, is to not hold back on extremity at all. You aren't in FloTopsy anymore (I remember reading somewhere on how you had to "tone down" your stuff on Once Was Not...). Be as harsh and antinomian as possible with Rage... We need more bands like this in a time where the world is seemingly going downhill fast.

I'd join it.

Please read my post and at least try to understand it. The difference between gore, torturous or violent lyrics, and those endorsing racist genocide is obvious. Torture and killing can actually be expressed in a poetic or sympathic way, if that makes any sense, hence NSV.
The lyrics on NSV aren't hateful in the slightest, they are twisted killings mixed with capricorni and supernatural happenings. Associating yourself with paramilitary group that's responsible for killings so cruel is not 'extreme', it means you have very little insight in the world.

Please, visit our continent (Europe) once, go to Poland, to the camps. Ask the children of the Serbs what they had to go through. Ask the Dutch how they survived on mere tulip seed in the winter of '45. Go out and ask Germans how the majority silently supported Hitler. Feel free to explore Italy and go visit the ghettos in Rome. Don't forget the Eastern Front. The sheer amount of lost lives is simply mind boggling (60 million in less than a decade).

Emperorlives: Using that as a symbol for 'extreme' music instead of 'politically correct music'? Give me a fucking break. Do you honestly think that by making music with some 'radical' lyrics about 'hate' (which I doubt you actually feel) you can make a difference in the world?

Since you dragged it in: the world is going downhill because people don't learn from the past... not just talking war and genocide here, also everyday problems like greed, religion and financial troubles.

Unless I were a fervant nazi fanatic, I wouldn't use nazi-related symbolism to express something extreme; my music and message will be taken as a nazi propaganda as a whole.

Lord: why don't ask Christophe Szpajdel to make a logo for the project? I'm sure it'll be an honour for him (in case you don't know him, he did logos for bands like Emperor, Moonspell, Old Mans' Child, Covenant and many others - if you need contact info, let me know).

What's fucking wrong with using Nazi imagery in a non political band? If I were you I'd put Swastikas all over the logo, we are talking about a black metal band with a hatred thematic here not a fucking tampon brand.

Sigged

For me at least, the problem lies in that you'll become a political band for using that imagery. Even if the lyrics have nothing to do with it, the whole project will be treated as a 'nazi propaganda' stuff.

I understand the point of genocide, but I think it's completely unnecesary to use nazi symbols. You can create your own.

Prior knowledge of image's use and making perfectly logical conclusions in its intention.

It's the same as using any other symbol. If you slap a swastika on your album and talk about the glory of the Reich while quoting Mein Kampf, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out something is amiss.

Godwins law never fails.

The difference is merely that early Cryptopsy lyrics are fantasy, and where the portrayed scenes have their historical counterparts they only affected a handful of people (and the victims were killed, not starved, imprisoned and oppressed, and are not here to tell us about whatever horrible torture they went through before being relieved of their sufferings). Fantasy killings concern hardly anyone. Only relatives of serial murder victims may find them personally offensive.

Murder is all fun and games until it's targeted at an ethnical or religious group.

Godwin's Law is comparing something to Hitler or the Nazis, to make an apparent evil even more repugnant. Nothing's really being compared here, so it doesn't really apply.

I was just following up on discussion of using Nazi symbolism while trying to avoid its obvious implications.

Yup, they were already discussing Nazism, so it doesn't really apply...

Using a Nazi symbol can be misleading, Lord Worm's thought on the subject is to use it as a hateful/violent symbol, but that's denying a lot of its meanings and it's also attention seeking. But yeah, using your own and new logo doesn't have the same weight.

Are people still offended by music or is this some kind of an attempt at satire

Okay, let's change the subject back to the op, this is not a Nazi thread anyway.