I knew when I posted that Necros Christos track, that I would get a polarising review. You see, I'm the exact opposite of all the negatives you mentioned, and can find little to fault with the band, as their brand of murky, yet classy atmosphere is, to me at least, brilliant. Stunning death to these ears and soul. But I do appreciate the candour

@jerk: Sadly, the Desaster track is not their best, there are more 'thrashy'tracks in their recent discography, and the vocals are better too

@Necroticism174: I really liked your definition of Hellenic Black Metal, This seems to be like if regular heavy metal transformed straight into black metal without all the evolution in between It fits percetly well.

Interestingly, that isn't the feeling I get from this song, as much of a muscular album as this one does tend to be. Whenever I listen to this I think of forbidden lost cities and fallen empires....of something ghostly and towering and dark, like an ancient haunted cathedral. The song doesn't really build to a climax because it's some kind of lonely, desolate journey....perhaps borne by some old, weary warriors...will they find the city of sin?

If you're going to be an idiot and not take this seriously, refrain from posting.

Lol! You don't like me for posting a song? I don't think I heard that one before.

Edit: Also, you really can't tell the difference between doom metal and nu-metal?

This goes far deeper than "posting a song". No sir, what you linked me to was audio cancer. I was about to go to bed and I literally have to get up and put on a decent record now, just to clear that from my mind. My hands are still shaking a little bit from how much I despised every second of listening to that. I'm rarely at a loss for words but there's nothing in my lexicon that can succinctly illuminate how terrible that was on every single level.

Be honest with me, is this a band you enjoy? Or did you just feel like it was getting a little old having so many positive reviews piling up?

edit: ...am I being trolled? Did I hear the wrong song by mistake? On what PLANET could that be considered doom?

Hahahahahaha

Yes, I do like Mindrot, yes, they are doom metal, both MA and doom-metal.com agree as well as the reviewers on both sites, and no, I have had other people dislike songs I have posted in this thread. Though, no one else has used that as an excuse to hate me.

As a doom fan I have to trust my ears over what a website says. Maybe they have some other songs that are doom...the debut perhaps? There was not a single moment of that song that I could recognize as doom metal, and I've now listened to it SEVERAL times. I would love to hear some other doom fans weigh in on this particular song, though it would be at their own risk.

And I wouldn't call it an "excuse" to hate you, moreso the most legitimate reason OF...ALL...TIME. I hope something turrrriiibbllle happens to you tomorrow!

Alright I'm gonna spin Pagan Altars first album now. Because I love doom.

Actually, I heard they started as a thrash band, though I have never heard those demos. The debut sounds more or less the same as the second album and admittedly the other songs are a bit different then the one I posted (Less "aggressive"), but if you don't think that is at least as doom metal as other 90s doom/death (Stuff like Morgion, Black Lodge, Saturnus) then you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
But this is not going anywhere, I'mma stop now before I fatten the troll...

Perhaps its different in the context of the album. I rarely listen to music like that, but perhaps a couple of songs in the similar style would prepare the mind for the intricacies and subtleties of the song.

I don't think he's trolling, because 1) it is a pretty terrible song (save for the surprisingly cool solo in the middle) and 2) doom elements in this particular song are few and far between. Nonexistent until it gets to the slower part.

Honestly I meant every single word except the stuff about not liking him on a personal level. I figured spelling "terrible" like I was Yosemite Fucking Sam would give away that I was just joking about that shit. Seriously though, that's one of the worst songs I've ever heard. I'm going to be glued to this thread today and I want to hear from some other people who check it out.

Byrain, you disparaged me for not being able to discern nu-metal from doom. I responded that it didn't sound ANYTHING like doom, after which you proceeded to add these qualifiers like "90s" and "death/doom". I don't listen to that shit. I've never heard a single one of those other bands you listed, and if they were even a sliver of inspiration for Mindrot then I'm confident this is still the correct course for my personal tastes. I guess its my fault for assuming that when you said doom, you meant DOOM.

:lol:, you guys. Yeah, I have the first album and though I haven't listened to it in a while it did seem a lot doomier than this. The buzz around this band when the first album came out was really something, but I never quite thought they were all that, and reviews of the second album were terrible. I did hear the balladish "In the name of Silence" and it wasn't too bad, but honestly, I don't think Jonpo's Korn comparisons are too off the mark here. No way is this as doom as something like MOrgion...

Byrain, Flames's sound is indeed pretty awful; they are notorious for this. I think though that there's a certain charm to it, and I can even say that i think they were a bit ahead of their time and sometimes even a bit, well, weird. That song in particular pretty much sounds like violent 90s BM as far as I'm concerned. No doubt they're all amateur musicians, except for the guitarist, who sounds a bit like he lives on a different planet...

Perhaps you're right that Tyrant's "Babylon" would convey these types of images to you if you heard it in its proper context. To me this band is very gothic in its atmosphere; Too late to Pray is not much like other heavy metal albums to come out of the USA at the time. I've never heard a so-called "true metal" band channel a dank, gothic atmosphere as I think can be found in this song, or at least, not one that isn't doom metal at all.

@Necroticism174: Glad you enjoyed that Reactor track. ANA is right, it's the SL Coe-led album, but to be fair, the band's been awesome before, during, and after his run with them. 'Farewell to Reality' certainly has the unique Coe charm and touch to it, though. I really liked this Agents of Oblivion song, by the way; pretty sure another track off of the same album was posted earlier on in the thread, but it didn't quite grab me by the balls like this one. Thanks! By the way, you post a lot of stuff with lyrics in French, and I can see you're from Québec; not a coincidence I take it?

@various:

Well, mid-period Samael is awesome, what else is new. Standard black metal rasp? I sure wouldn't say so; typical Samael/Alastis dark metal pissed-off grunt is what I'd say, but okay. Also, this upload was a nice demonstration of what I mean about YT links: it's gone already!

That Insomnium track is the melodeath equivalent of the dreaded Santa Metal syndrome I keep despising in modern power metal. I think Crushed's review did it justice: with a decent/adult/manly chorus, it'd be an awesome little song; but this hold-your-lighters-up,-you-sissies chorus would be more at home in a Linkin Park song. So, no thanks.

I quite enjoyed this Necros Christos song! Cake meets early Kreator meets Master's Hammer. Sloppy, weird, dissonant, hypnotic, and ultimately charming. Love that stuff! Thanks for the find.

Baptism's song isn't half bad, but I really have a problem with the sound. It's barely discernible during instrumental parts, but as soon as there are vocals, there's that weird-ass echo/reverb on the vocals themselves, and the way it muffles the music is rather frustrating. I also dislike, well not dislike, but shrug at the tremolo-picked 101 riff that's used for a good couple of minutes from about 3'00'' to 5'00''; it's about as exciting and refreshing as the welcome-to-hell riff in a traditional heavy song. Beyond that, this is punky yet somehow rather epic BM, and indeed there's more subtle melodies in there than initially meet the ear. Another nice find for me, thanks!

I'm with jerk on Desaster, pending confirmation that the YT upload isn't crippled sound wise. There are moments where it really feels like some tracks were left off in the mix, especially the whole wannabe epic break around 3'00'' and the ending: a faint arpeggio seems to have existed, but it's so far, far back in the mix I can barely acknowledge it's there at all. It does sound like a speed/evil thrash band forcing itself towards epic BM/folk, especially during the slightly faster tremolo-picked sections. Too bad.

@RedMisanthrope: You're generous; I wouldn't spend as much on something this amateurish and run-of-the-mill as this Mythic demo. I liked this Diabolical Masquerade track, fairly much what Abo said, except with far less enthusiasm for the basic AC/DC/Accept/80s Priest hard/heavy riff and the whammy-bar wanking, but much more enthusiasm for the Bewitched (SWE) style fast-paced speed metal with raspy vocals sections and the spine-chillingly awesome high-pitched wails versus deep, borderline gothic vocal acrobatics. Very nice discovery for me overall, so thanks a bunch. I'll explore this.

@Abo: You sure like your Varathron! This particular track got a mixed reaction from yours truly. On the one hand, I'm not a fan of the RW-derived happy happy folky passages, or the "modern" production values, and I actively dislike the "TADA-TADA! ___ TADA-TADA! ____" pseudo-modern/tech-sounding break that's overused in the beginning; on the other hand, I really enjoyed the rest of the song; it sounds much closer to stuff like Suidakra than it does their own earlier stuff, but it's very good and punchy melodeath. Also wow! You've shown such enthusiasm for Sinister, I'm really curious to check out other stuff by them; because this one song (I'm unfamiliar with the band) is nothing to write home about to me. I mean, it's fine, but so basic and conventional... Yeah, I'm quite curious. Also, glad to see the legendary "evil thrash" of Flames' 'Summon the Dead' brought up here, although I would have picked another track; and yes, to those who wondered, it sounds a TON better on the original vinyl than it does on the YT links currently available.

Yeah, Anorexia Nervosa are quite good at what they do; but Misanthrope is so much better that I have yet to be in the mood for the former and not turn to the latter instead.

I was slightly bored by the Tyrant song as well; it'd be excellent if it wasn't so long and repetitive. But they're awesome and can pack a much bigger punch than that, as they thankfully do in many other songs.

The Svarttjern track was quite a chore to sit through, it's neither bad nor good, it's just a neutral sonic stream that passively informs the listener that he is listening to black metal, and there isn't much more to say.

@Byrain & Jonpo: I'll tread lightly, but I'm really intrigued by this discussion. This track is much closer to Roots-era Sepultura than it is anything doom, and that is too obvious a fact to ignore. It's certainly not anywhere near 90s death/doom either. The first couple of minutes I can entirely see where Jonpo drew his comparisons to nu-metal from: this is groove metal at best, and MTV metal if I'm being honest. Then, yeah, well... The unending slower section with the light, basic arpeggio and the classic progression from there to the end of the song wants to be epic, and might be where this idea that it's doom comes from. It fails hard for me, as you need an emotionally touching, minor scale melody for this type of thing to work, and this is not the case; it's just the envelope of an epic moment, but a hollow shell all the same. Now, Jonpo was repulsed by this stronger than I would expect, and it's almost as if it were his first ever exposure to derivative this boring groovy tough guy type of metal, but if this is actually representative of the band's style, then I'm certainly not afraid to firmly state that "Doom Metal" is a blatantly erroneous and misleading tag. And I find no redeeming value to this song, although I wouldn't go as far as hating it, let alone the one who posted it.

@Thisguy: Yeah, don't be that guy.

I love this thread...ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!

You may be right as far as my reaction being so strong because of it being my initial exposure to that "style". I absolutely try to insulate myself from terrible music as much as possible, and there's a lot of stuff I just dismiss on sight without listening to. I couldn't wrap my head around how awful every aspect of it sounded to me. From the vocals to the riffs, even the lyrics, I swear to god he shouts "I'M ALONE IN THE RAIN" at one point in that song! Get the fuck out of here with that shit...

Hahah posting that Repulsion track was totally a knee-jerk reaction to what I had just heard/reviewed. I just wanted to listen to something that would hit the reset button on my brain. I worship the ground that Horrified walks on but I wasn't naive enough to expect a positive review for it. Thanks for giving it a chance though, especially as it sounds like grind is not your thing. I do think something went a little wonky with that upload as it cuts off just a second or two early, but the song was definitely over.

Oops, did I post Varathron already? I just started going through the thread again yesterday, from the beginning, trying to keep track of all the bands mentioned thus far. Actually I thought someone else had posted the band and not me, but perhaps you're right...in any case, I do really like them, and there hasn't been much talk anywhere about their quietly-released most recent album, so I thought I'd show something. I do like the more archaic sound they had better too, but on the other hand I enjoy the hell out of the way they've developed musically and find the playing on this new one very satisfying for the most part...those guitars (!!!)

Hmm, good call on the Flames. I had a feeling most people here wouldn't like it much; I probably could have chosen a more attention-grabbing tune or something...like, the one you posted!

Necros Christos...Cake? Where does that come from?

WTF man...you don't consider that track to be 100% metal? Are we even hearing the same thing? Do you not consider Mercyful Fate, Saxon, Accept to be metal, either?

But seriously, I'm glad you liked the song; I actually discovered this band totally by accident as I was looking to listen to the Canadian Auroch after seeing their album in someone's distro. Turned out this old French Auroch is much, much better, though it seems they never released much at all. I love that guitar and drum tone..sure, it's not very thick and heavy, but it's sharep and clear and ..oh hell, just turn it up louder!

I think it's just on the fence. I could see how most people would consider it metal. Those three bands you named have beefier and more metal riffs. Even the solo was rockish. If you remove the palm muting from the main riff though, it's undeniably heavy rock. But like I said, that's me. And I did turn it up, is there any other way to properly enjoy this kind of music? The vocals were definitely my favourite part.

Ok. Well, I don't really agree; I love hard rock actually, and I think a band like Saxon is way more "on-the-fence" than this, and certainly rock solos are a part and parcel of a lot of 80s metal. But whatever, you enjoyed the song quite a bit; that's the main thing I was aiming for.

Mindrot sounds a bit like if Bolt Thrower contracted aids from Meshuggah and decided to go nu-metal.

I can't even argue with that masterful deconstruction. I enjoy it for what it is. I think the whole schizophrenic changes thing really adds to the overall insanity. The part with the gravity blast towards the end of the song is also one of my favourite uses of that kind of blast.