Hey guys,

I recently submitted the band Ajris but it was rejected due to: "Not a metal band; does not belong on Encyclopaedia Metallum."

I really don't understand why this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxQWAJqEofk isn't metal
(I know youtube it's not the best way to show you, but it was the least complicated one right now).

Thanks for your help!

That song is metal, yes. The others on that release were pure ambient/noise, however.

A release needs to be mostly metal for the band to be accepted. One or two metal tracks out of five or six isn't enough.

Sorry guys but I have to whine about this. I think the rejection of the band Satory was a mistake and if it wasn't I will be glad to know why it's not considered metal enough. In fact I can't get it since they sound metal enough to me and I'm quite very familiar with this kind of music.

EP: http://satory.bandcamp.com/album/the-japanese-beast
Split: http://satory.bandcamp.com/album/split-ep tracks 2 and 3 by Satory

And please don't ignore this.

Morrigan was the one who had rejected Satory back last April. I concur with her in that judgement; I don't hear any metal in this. I understand you have a proclivity to submit such bands, but it is just not a fit for this Encyclopedia.

Damn, really good band. Thanks for the discovery, but it's as metal as Dir En Grey. It's probably metal if we compare it to some other bands in the Archives, but imo these bands probably needs to be looked upon.

Hi. This band was rejected : http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Reptile/3540342407

Samples: http://www.myspace.com/reptile666
This band have a split cd release. Proof on the label page (cat number is H&H 18) and cds on ebay.com

Hi. This band was rejected: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Aion-6/3540342431

Reason: Where does it say any of those albums were released physically?

You can buy CD here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0649080188

Okay, both of you - those links really should've been mentioned in the submission fields. You can both resubmit with the links included in the submission notes.

Well it was either you, Morrigan or Helvede who rejected the band back then. With all my respect to your knowledge in old-school metal music, I am not convinced that this band is not metal. Yes this is not an old-school metal band but then again everything evolved and is evolving we can't stick on judging bands by comparison to 80's thrash or 90's death metal. This is not hardcore or post-hardcore (not at all), this is not either post-rock or to be fair this is not a typical post-rock band since there is post-rock influences in the music. This is post-metal with enough metal elements to be accepted to metal archives. I'd like to know what do you consider them and based on what you judge them? I am quite convinced that there is no possibility to get this band re-considered since as you are saying it got rejected by Morrigan but then again there is no rule that draws the line on the acceptance/rejection of such bands. Please don't tell me that there is no need for such rule since it's quite obvious that the acceptance and the rejection of such bands is quite arbitrary. Trust me on this I know what I am saying because as you are familiar with old-school metal I am familiar with this kind of music.



I agree, very good band.

This is post rock for me, even if I'm obviously not as familar as you are. Your vast knowledge of this genre doesn't make borderline metal bands more acceptable. But, yeah my opinion doesn't really matter anyway, I just think your arrogance is a bit annoying.

Metantoine's right, GraveWish. Quit flogging a dead horse; Derigin, Morrigan and HellBlazer have already passed their judgement... and this band doesn't sound metal to Metantoine or myself, either. Regardless of how well you claim to know post-rock, it doesn't justify your arguments on a metal encyclopaedia, as Metantoine said.

I politely remind you that our patience is not unlimited.

This http://www.myspace.com/gybeconstellation is post-rock from your area not much resemblance as you can see. Set a rule, everyone will be happy. And sorry if I sounded annoying didn't had such intention.

http://www.reverbnation.com/haggisandbong why blacklisted?

I'm aware of this very famous band, thanks. And differences can exist in a genre, you know.

I can't see what IS the problem...yes, they play psychedelic METAL
but..Kyuss is psychedelic, Los Natas is psychedelic, BLACK SABBATH is psychedelic
you guys gotta open your mind a little...also, if a band doesn't like YOU that doesn't mean that sucks for EVERY METALHEAD...
...and in their new and second album these guys are playing more Sludge stuff...
look, in their first albums Los Natas sounded much more like a psychedelic rock band than a metal band, and they are listed here...
don't be a closed-minded assholes, if you gonna delete bands like Humo del Cairo for that reasons why don't you fuckin delete all the fuckin doom/stoner/psychedelic metal bands from this website?

You can start reading the rules, FAQ and help sections for starters instead of using the same old tired "you're close-minded" and "If this band is deleted/rejected then these bands should be too!".

I just tryin' to help, if a band like Humo del Cairo doesn't seen too heavy-enough for you, then go to get fucked by a punch of goth metal emos, you fuckin pussies, fuck you and fuck this CLOSED-MINDED website

Hey mate, we appreciate that you're trying to contribute, really. But we have to set boundaries somewhere to determine what's metal and what isn't - I'm afraid Humo del Cairo happens to reside outside of what the site regards to be metallic. It isn't a competition, and a lot of users seem to feel insulted that their favourite bands were rejected.

Now, people will always argue and complain over their different views, and to be honest, I think every member of MA - including the staff, have had their own opinions come into conflict with the site's guidelines. It's bound to happen - if we extended the rules on metalness to accommodate your band, we'd soon be including all sorts of bands like Sonic Youth and Nirvana that actually AREN'T metal at all, but they were accepted because we didn't set ourselves a limit.

But please don't let that discourage you from contributing.

You amaze me, Alhadis, in your ability to remain not just civil, but even friendly, to obnoxious little cunts who don't deserve it. I wonder how long your patience will stretch, but for now, good job.

My side project Poser Executioner of my band Korriban got rejected the reasons was Provide some samples i already sent a picture of the EP and i also released the songs free on my website but i forgot to provide it i think so the EP is free to download on Korribans Website http://korriban.yolasite.com/poser-exec ... e-true.php and here is that picture again http://i40.tinypic.com/2kr5ew.jpg i hope you guys accept it this time thanks!

Resubmit.

How can I proof the metalness of a band that released only one demo cassette 20 years ago?
I have no way to transfer the cassette to digital.

Has this cassette been reviewed in any zine anywhere?

Hey mate, I sent you a PM with the link.

We'll be on tour this summer and probably we'll play in Austria as well, just to say. Half July.

Ah, good luck with all these crazy motherfuckers!!! I've read this post here and there and it seems to be a lunatic asylum!!!

Thanks again.

R

The band Boggart was rejected and blacklisted but I think the EP is mainly metal...
Give it a listen please:

http://www.mediafire.com/?lk0c3zlf2ke2065

Gang, just a quick question - I submitted a few bands forgetting the part about needing a physical release (that's my mistake, not trying to be a pain in the ass, just forgot that rule for a bit. I'd reject the two still in my queue myself but I don't have the ability.)

Anyway, I'm not complaining, just curious if the moderators have given any more thought to allowing bands with just digital releases to appear here? Having a CD means almost nothing at this point unless you're a major act. Selling music though Bandcamp, iTunes etc or putting your tunes up on a cloud somewhere can mean more to a band than releasing an actual disc. I'm not sure why having an actual CD or tape that someone can purchase makes a group more worthy for the site than a metal group selling their downloads for $5 a piece.

Again, not bitching at all and I realize this topic can probably be discussed forever, but just wanted to ask because it's been bugging me a bit.

Thanks

If you browse this thread enough you will see the answers to the questions you've asked!
In a nutshell: Every Tom, Dick or Harry can cook up something on his computer these days and then "release" it by means of the internet. The band gets accepted and disbands because Tom, Dick and Harry have fallen in love with some other music or even the wrong girl. Was this band ever seen playing live? Have they ever left their sweaty bedrooms? have they been around for more than a couple of months? Probably not. That is why the MA state that bands must have a physical release. This mostly means that the band in question have taken enough pains to really become a band and be heard by others.

If bands from my example would be allowed the MA would be flooded by all sorts of projects that aren't worth the while. Of course there are bands here that are also not worth anyone's while but at least they did their best to produce something tangible and didn't last for a month before "disbanding"!

Drone Doom band Elmi's demo was blacklisted for not being metal.
Would the mods please reconsider their full length? As it comes of as more Metal than their demo.
"...From the ground" http://elmi.bandcamp.com/track/from-the-ground

No it's a demo from a band from a small town of Québec, Sorel. They had almost no distribution.
But the band had members from many other bands of this area.

No, sorry, not nearly metal enough.

Why Drained Lives was rejected? it sounds very metallish to my ears: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIuFEzS4sl8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY371NvPtYY and the demo it exists on physical release http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/album-gr ... -l-es.html

All my submissions were rejected WTF, Tough crowd.

You wanted a proof that Evol from Israel is metal, this is the last song on their EP E.N.D:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYAWvDHyUjk

I hope this proves the "metalness" you required me to prove.

We need proof of a physical release. A link to another metal encyclopedia doesn't achieve that. We need to know that it has been released on a physical format and distributed in some manner.



Thank you. The submission has been dealt with now.

Hi,

Master of Waha has been rejected becaused it's not Metal enough, but it's a side-projects of metal band members: one of the two creator of the band, Xavier Carion, is in the metal band Sons of Jonathas. Other members are also from metal bands. Ultimhate records is a small label but, as far as I know, they release their albums worldwide, moreover for a band with a Son of Jonathas and ex-Chanel Zero member.

Thanks in advence for reconciderating the submition of that band.

How's it going Derigin? I hate to be a bitch but man I think two of my submissions may have been rejected wrongly, but shit man I could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time haaheheha
But check this out and maybe it will clarify why I submitted both bands.
Flittering was rejected for not being metal but they don't sound too far removed from shit like Abruptum, Mortis, Hlidolf, Sunn and other droney doom black metal bands and are even listed on doom-metal.com bandlist.
There is no youtube video but here is
a site you can take a listen.
http://thedoomjoint.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... om_25.html
Ancient Funeral Cult was rejected because of no physical proof. The cd artwork is shown in this youtube video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeNws5e_sVQ
peace and drink heartily.

Outside of it being non-metal, even as a side-project it would not be acceptable. Our principle with the inclusion of non-metal projects/side-projects is that, alongside worldwide distribution, that the artist ought to be notable enough, and the project worth including in a metal encyclopedia. Not only is Sons of Jonathas a one-album band with little notability, but I am doubtful whether Master of Waha could be considered a different beast entirely (another band and not a 'side project' of Sons of Jonathas). I'm sorry about the rejection, but it stays.


1. There's enough explanation through a search for Flittering on this forum to explain the background of its acceptability on this site. It just wont happen.

2. We need proof of a physical release. CD artwork isn't proof; anybody can take a picture, make it a cover, and put it to a youtube video. In fact, the way covers are often made and sent to band members nowadays is often in an electronic form well before the album is even finished mixing, let alone near release. We just ask for something, something that shows us that the band has released a work physically. It might require asking around, or doing some more searching, but it puts us beyond a shadow of a doubt on whether the band passes our guidelines for acceptance.

This band, Signal (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Signal/3540341493), was rejected. I don't understand why: if this isn't metalcore with power elements, how you classify this band???
I'm very curious......
If you think this band don't play a genre of metal, I think you're really wrong, of course.

Profile&lineup
http://www.web-signal.com/profile.htm

Sound:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRX2bpftbyk&featur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpMKURY ... re=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsveB5m ... re=related

1. (Flittering) Let me get this straight, controversy & debate is a bad thing for "acceptability on this site." man ?where? is the metal in that?

2. (Ancient Funeral Cult ) It's a fantastic black metal album and I hope these fuckers take it beyond youtube and properly release it. I'll keep my eyes open for that proof.

props to you Derigin for taking the time to answer all of our shit on here man, that's hardcore devotion!

The band Sick/Tired was rejected, but I have better evidence of them being metal now.
This is their whole side of a split with OxBaker, should qualify as a metal release: http://sick-tired.bandcamp.com/album/split-7-w-ox-baker
along with this song from their LP (which I included in the original submission): http://www.myspace.com/sicktiredthrash/music/songs/banishment-43080982