Don't worry, I'm tempted to give Kataklysm the same treatment.

Revenge's (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Revenge/6408) genre should be changed to black/death metal since Conqueror's label was changed to such and Revenge is a continuation of Conqueror.

Conqueror: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaIM45GZn0A

Revenge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkWVZOyqk0

I think the same should apply to all war/bestial metal bands since that's what the genre essentially is... a mixture of black and death metal.

Another one is Black Witchery and all its previous incarnations (Witchery (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Witchery/37856), Irreverent (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Irreverent/37852). The most recent album has a very prominent death metal sound and their other ones are not too far off. Witchery and Irreverent also bear this style. The genre for all three bands should be changed to black/death metal (except maybe Irreverent since the death metal is more prominent in which case their genre should be death/black). Here's some stuff:

Black Witchery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hfqQKPjtFQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9a3I6mjSis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLN0Aaglguo

Witchery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4isW8wM4MuM

Irreverent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_twMM9q9jQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFWA1H9eQbY

Some modifications for genres, more to come if this was judged important.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Jucifer/3540295344 Sludge/Doom Metal/Drone/Punk
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/God_Damn/3540276055 Southern Metal
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Siluria/3540336546 Folk/Pagan Metal
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Alkahest/3540333765 Atmospheric Sludge/Doom Metal/Post-Rock
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dar ... 3540322144 Atmospheric Sludge/Doom Metal/Post-Rock
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fad ... 3540323130 Progressive Sludge Metal/Post-Hardcore
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/For ... 3540338759 Atmospheric Sludge Metal/Post-Hardcore
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hands/3540290739 Atmospheric Sludge/Doom Metal/Post-Rock
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hot ... 3540289086 Progressive Sludge Metal
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Komarov/3540321894 Progressive Sludge Metal/Post-Hardcore
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mammon/3540332323 Sludge/Doom Metal (http://www.mediafire.com/?px5r270abnq0b42)
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Monachus/3540333807 Atmospheric Sludge/Doom Metal
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nan ... 3540273448 Atmospheric Sludge Metal/Post-Hardcore
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Net ... 3540325872 Progressive Sludge/Doom Metal
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Str ... 3540287504 Progressive Sludge Metal
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Burnsred/3540332093 Progressive Sludge/Doom Metal
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Thi ... 3540292189 Experimental/Progressive Sludge Metal
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Kynesis/45841 Gothic Metal (early), Progressive Sludge Metal/Post-Hardcore (now)

Somebody posted my band here the other day and being one of the original members I disagree with the genre mentioned.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dynfari/3540340980

It says Ambient Black Metal which may be true for some parts of some songs, but I'd much rather go for Post-Black Metal or simply Black Metal. Atmospheric Black Metal would also work.

I hope someone can fix this soon.


EDIT: There is also some dispute over if our 2011 release 'Dynfari' is a full-length or a demo. We intended it to be a self-released full-length but some call it a demo. If you can change that as well I would greatly appreciate it.
EDIT2: Oh, and also: the release date is July 7th, not the 25th.

Done.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Our ... Day/126900 should be changed to Metalcore only.

Also to modify:

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dog ... 3540341436 Technical/Brutal Death Metal
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sagaris/3540291662 Melodic Death Metal -- remove classic from the genre

Also could you please tell me why my other posts are being ignored? If you don't agree about the modification please state it. I suppose this is one of the most important threads that are directly related to the main site therefore it deserves some more attention.

EDIT: You may consider this a personal point of view but in fact it's really "silly" to see tags such as post-black and post-metal, this is metal-archives we tag bands properly. Post-black metal chould refer to, for exaple: atmospheric black metal/post-rock or black metal/shoegaze... Someone should check the bands to properly tag them http://www.metal-archives.com/search?se ... band_genre
For the post-metal tag I did the most of them and reported them in my previous post, the one that got ignored.

GraveWish, sometimes there's no clear-cut way to define a band. Bands with "Post-Black Metal" in their genre are usually tagged appropriately if their style doesn't easily fit into the "sheogaze" spectrum, at which point it's going to look pretty silly with all those unnecessary adjectives.

As far as "stating our agreement" goes, well... I notice a lot of the corrections you've listed above seem to add "Atmospheric -" or "Progressive -" to "Sludge"; so it kind of comes off as nitpicking. Therefore, mods are inclined to gloss over it if it appears to be only a minor change.

I've corrected some of the more important changes you've requested, as well as the last two. Bear in mind that I don't just go on your word, I have to give the music a listen for myself... therefore, your list kind of asks for a lot of listening, you know?

Well what I aimed to do is removing the "post-metal" tag and yes it's kind off normal to add atmospheric or progressive to these kind of bands. I know there is a lot of listening, I did that too before reporting them. Well since it's kind off a "minor change" I suppose you could go with my description since it doesn't include the "post-metal" tag. By the way thanks for the attention for the bands that was in the queue.

So, define what you believe "Post-Metal" to be.

Post-metal could refer to anything and everything. This is not a well-established and well defined music genre, if we considered post-metal a valid genre, to start with. My own definition for post-metal could be resumed as follow:
Basically, post-metal is a mixture between sludge metal and post-hardcore or/and post-rock often mixed with some of the following: progressive metal or progressive rock, doom metal, stoner rock and/or metal, atmospheric music mainly atmospheric metal/atmospheric rock and ambient, shoegaze, technical hardcore, punk, powerviolence, grindcore, noise and experimental music. Not to forget that some experimental progressive rock, post-rock and alternative rock bands are also referred to as post-metal bands. Therefore the problem resides in the way of determination if some random post-metal band is metal enough to be added to metal-archives or at least if it's metal enough in general. I should also note that apparently the majority of the moderators/users are not quite familiar with such genre. To start with, the fact is that any old-school sludge metal band incorporates noticeable elements of hardcore punk hence after you mix sludge metal with post-hardcore music, as a first judgment, one cannot help but feel that the band is not metal, which in many cases he could be wrong. Now if you make a quick search about the post-metal bands that are already accepted in metal-archives you will notice that the majority of them are dubbed as progressive/atmospheric (something). Why only those? Because simply those bands incorporates a large amount of progressive and/or atmospheric music therefore complex compositions and large instrumental parts in their sound which gives the impression to the listener (mainly the moderator who accept or reject the band) that the hardcore/post-hardcore/shoegaze part is minimally presented in the overall sound and the band is in fact predominantly on the metal side of the music, therefore such bands tend to be accepted as metal enough while others are not accepted. Not to forget that the bands that incorporate doom-based music in their post-metal sound are quickly accepted too, for obvious reasons. Thus what you considered a “minor modification” is in fact the main reason that made those bands sound metal enough therefore accepted in metal-archives. Mainly this is why I proceeded to modify their genre tag. Well the thing is that metal-archives don’t have any definition for such genre. As all borderline and hybrid genres, not all bands can be accepted but also not all bands should be rejected. I would suggest that such definition should be made so the users who tends to submit such bands, as myself, could draw the line between what could be added to metal-archives and what couldn't. Not to mention that the definition should be objective and not based on subjective self-opinions but on musical facts and pertinacious arguments. From my personal experience with this, I assure you that I was surprised for the rejection of some bands as I am always surprised about the acceptance of others. Such definition could be highly appreciated. An example to illustrate my last point: http://satory.bandcamp.com/ this is clearly post-metal. Frankly, I would deem them metal enough, I suppose some others will do that too while others not, knowing that the band was previously rejected from metal-archives. You can see that this is tending to be arbitrary especially if the listener (mainly the moderator checking the band) is taking into consideration the overall sound and only comparing it to his favorite/most popular post-metal bands, for instance ISIS, Neurosis, Cult of Luna without dissecting the music and trying to judge it objectively hence the commonly used reasons for rejection "not metal", "hardcore". That sometimes may sound extremely surprising.

I would appreciate some objective discussions; feel free to comment on anything and everything.

Good grief, I really should've specified a word limit.

GraveWish, sludge is already a borderline affair, and mixing it with even more dubious adjectives such as "Atmospheric-" and "Progressive-" is guaranteed to screw with people's expectations. This is, after all, a metal site, and people are inclined to understand a tag like "Post-Metal" better than, say, "Atmospheric/Progressive Sludge/Post-Hardcore". Yes, the influences from the neighbouring genres of hardcore and post-rock are evident, but it really isn't necessary to cobble them together into one long genre string... which, by the way, looks absolutely ridiculous.

I should start by saying that sludge metal or to be clearer old-school sludge metal is a well defined and structured music genre. Therefore sludge metal is undoubtedly not a borderline affair but an archetypal metal genre such as heavy metal, thrash metal, death metal and the like. Saying that sludge is borderline is like saying, for example, that thrash is borderline since every single metal sub-genre evolved from the amalgamation of non-metal and heavy metal elements. Another thing to note is that metal-archives is supposed to be a metal encyclopaedia (and not some 10 yo kids passing time) and an encyclopaedia is supposed to contains facts that can be most of the times not “friendly-user”. Therefore using a non-existing music genre to tag bands that are added to encyclopaedia metallum is kind off inadequate and inappropriate for such high level informative webpage. Beside you don’t have to forget that post-metal can means anything and everything for instance Red Sparowes, Protest the Hero and even sometimes Tool are referred to as post-metal. Hence using this description for bands already accepted to metal archives and supposed metal enough is misleading to the people that “are inclined to understand a tag like "Post-Metal" better than, say, "Atmospheric/Progressive Sludge/Post-Hardcore"” among other people. You can always tag the band properly and add in the additional notes that the common description nowadays for such music is referred to as post-metal. With that said, I request a clear, undoubtful description about acceptable post-metal bands in the view of metal archives. This could be helpful for the addition of such bands. If someone deems that this definition is something necessary to clear and that continuing this conversation could lead to a solution than I’m in to develop the matter.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Red ... ning/81466 should be changed from death metal/hardcore to metalcore
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dissonant/83538 should be changed from thrash metal/hardcore to metalcore

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Omit/3540329804
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Skumring/31448

Aside from purely female vocals, both of these bands contain a mix of funeral doom and classical elements similar to Funeral, Fallen and Mournful Congregation. Though I've probably brought up Skumring before, Omit is definitely a funeral doom band with all the trademarks of the genre - long compositions, slow speed, heavy weeping guitar riffs. The only thing they are missing are the low, cavernous grunts, but there are several funeral doom bands that lack those as well (Fallen, Grove, Murkrat, Believe in Nothing to name a few). It's up to you to change the genre, it's a minor detail that would only narrow down their specific style. Perhaps both could be listed as "Melodic Funeral Doom"?

http://lunarin.bandcamp.com/album/the-midas-sessions
hardly metal anymore ... some rock/pop stuff
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Lunarin/99506
site needs a complete overhaul by the way.

What do you mean a "complete overhaul"...?

releases missing, logo, band picture, line-up ... everything needs to be checked ... I added the necessary links to the site.
I would do it myself, but I want to wrap up my magazine ... so.

edit:
the site has nearly not been touched for a year ...
yeah, I will do this later. the ZBT page also needs some new stuff added. *sigh*.

Their latest release - Midas Sessions - does not necessarilly give any hint of a change in style, since it's "an acoustic B sides album which includes acoustic versions of previously released song." - Taken from CDbaby. No need to fix what ain't broken. But you're right about the site needs a severe update. Go ahead if you fancy.

These four bands are listed as "Half-thrash/Groove Metal" - the former seems to have been mostly purged from the archives because it's taken to mean the same thing as "groove metal". All of them could just be labeled "Groove Metal".

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Creep/3540314729
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/KLL/3540325169
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nagsnail/3540323330
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hel ... 3540323320

A few more bands with terminology that generally isn't used in the MA genre fields:

This band is labeled "Death Gore Metal" - "Death Metal" would be more appropriate
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Denied/3540324202

"Death Metal/GoreGrind" -> "Death Metal/Grindcore"
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dissected/94913

"GoreGrind/Brutal Death Metal" -> "Brutal Death Metal/Grindcore"
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ano ... ance/31997

All done, Zodi, thanks.

Should "black metal" be added to this band?
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Norse/74931

http://www.myspace.com/norsemetal

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Valve/3540342626 sludge metal/post-hardcore

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bey ... 3540294651

I think the "Rock" tag is inappropriate and should be removed. Just "Atmospheric Death/Black Metal" is fine, since they sound a lot like Ulcerate on the Nadir album, but no "Rock" there...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc4BePzhtHI

Can someone acknowledge my posts about bestial/war metal at the top of the page? I also noticed Proclamation's (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Proclamation/29196) tag was changed to black metal when before it was black/death which is more accurate since they are pure Blasphemy worship.

All done.

You missed my post below the one about Revenge... the one about Black Witchery:

Changed.

The band Nuclearhammer (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nuclearhammer/73657) should have their tag changed to black/death metal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLxac9DudaM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2hDhw119q8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRs6fHgiaT8

Adversarial (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Adv ... 3540273266)'s tag should be death/black since the death metal is more prominent in their sound. Examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4hFnfE8HzY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ORp7AajZiA

Same with Antediluvian (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Antediluvian/95917) who should also have their tag reversed to death/black:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1WSLgz7 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwawqAwz ... re=related

Changed.


Let's not go overboard here. I like accurate genre tags as much as the next guy, but let's keep this thread to more salient changes than nitpicky order reversals.

I feel it's more accurate this way. If a band plays a blend of styles, it makes sense to put the most prominent one first. I've even seen quite a few people on this board with the same opinion. But it's your call.

Necroholocaust (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nec ... aust/53857) should be black/death:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22LV40cpCxE

Malaria (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Malaria/93050) should be grindcore/death metal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFEzAk49 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkR-77ma ... re=related

Antichrist (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ant ... 3540331489) should be black/death:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIsHxPg-wxg

...No, just no. That's just impossibly anal nit-picking. Let's not give more ammo to the outsiders who make fun of metalheads for being neurotic OCD autists, shall we?

Never got a response on this one, can this one get changed?

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%E4 ... 90/101172#

Too many genres: Hard/Stoner/Progressive Rock, Heavy/Doom/Speed Metal

<Crick> They're basically Hard & Progressive Rock, and Heavy & Doom Metal.

Progressive Hard Rock, Heavy/Doom Metal?

Adrenaline Mob
Current: Heavy Metal
Suggestion: Groove/Heavy Metal, Alternative Metal

Audio samples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO7ON_5SIck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxEpBs2ItXE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYx7VUDZJvA

Malasangre

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Malasangre/16737

Though there are sparse black metal influences in Malasangre's releases, recent albums are more funeral doom (especially Lux Deerit Soli) while their first album is more or less pure sludge doom.

So I propose relabeling them as Sludge/Funeral Doom Metal.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Via_Dolorosa/57092
Death/Thrash/Doom Metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9GI94A ... re=related
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Via+Dolorosa+everything&oq=Via+Dolorosa+everything&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=44914l52590l0l52771l12l12l0l0l0l0l137l1190l8.4l12l0
their second release is even faster; like early Sepultura.

edit:
there are some slower passages, but they appear on a rather slow scale; Universal Pain for instance.