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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:32 am 
 

MalignantThrone wrote:
I've never really been that big of a fan of autothrall's reviews either, to be honest. In addition to the fact that our tastes in metal are like oil and water, his reviews always seemed to me like poorly disguised track-by-tracks, and other than a few plastic, subjective terms I never really get an idea of how the album actually sounds.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:31 am 
 

Metal_Detector wrote:
failsafeman wrote:
Depends on whom you ask. If you're asking me, then no, I don't see him as a prolific quality writer. I don't think he's necessarily a bad reviewer, just that he focuses so much on quantity that the quality suffers such that I'm not interested in what he has to say at all. People around here are seriously enamored of quantity though, so the majority opinion is probably quite different.


I don't know, failsafeman. A lot of people on here criticize some quantity reviewers (such as ConorFynes and kluesba) more than any other reviewers on the entire site. I think autothrall's great too, though, so what the fuck do I know?

ConorFynes and kluseba are criticised for writing complete garbage, not for being productive.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:09 pm 
 

First Blodfest review posted on metal-archives! Ok, it was from a Danish guy but still. More people need to listen to this band.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:32 am 
 

Epic series of Moonsorrow reviews, Napero. Kivenkantaja is my favourite.

0% review for a Summoning album?!?!! does not compute.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:02 am 
 

Razakel wrote:
Epic series of Moonsorrow reviews, Napero. Kivenkantaja is my favourite.

0% review for a Summoning album?!?!! does not compute.

And not a very good one, at that. Nothing in that review actually made it clear why it deserved a 0%. It was pretty vague and wishy-washy, I thought.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:04 am 
 

That review: "It didn't sound exactly like I wanted it to sound, so I'm giving it a 0%." Awful review.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:11 am 
 

Zarach 'Baal' Tharagh gets 65% higher... I wonder if he actually screwed up putting in the score. From reading the review you'd think the rating would be 40% - 50%.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:32 am 
 

Razakel wrote:
Epic series of Moonsorrow reviews, Napero. Kivenkantaja is my favourite.

Thank you, sir. It's one of the bands that need to be looked at as a whole, not as individual albums. So read those in chronological order.

I may have to do it myself one of these days, I wrote them all while having a mild fever. There's got to be plenty to edit.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:11 pm 
 

Napero wrote:
Razakel wrote:
Epic series of Moonsorrow reviews, Napero. Kivenkantaja is my favourite.

Thank you, sir. It's one of the bands that need to be looked at as a whole, not as individual albums. So read those in chronological order.

I may have to do it myself one of these days, I wrote them all while having a mild fever. There's got to be plenty to edit.


What's your opinion on their demos? Tämä Ikuinen Talvi is probably my favorite Moonsorrow release in general, despite how different it sounds from their regular works.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:47 pm 
 

Really great reviews Nap. Your Havietty one was quite nice and I agree with most of it. It reminds me that I should work on my english :(

I feel ashamed of listening to it as studying background music now.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:02 pm 
 

Empyreal wrote:
That review: "It didn't sound exactly like I wanted it to sound, so I'm giving it a 0%."

Isn't that the grounds for giving any album a negative review?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:55 pm 
 

MalignantThrone wrote:
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That review: "It didn't sound exactly like I wanted it to sound, so I'm giving it a 0%."

Isn't that the grounds for giving any album a negative review?

I think that what Empyreal meant was that he had great expectations for the album due to it being constantly praised. So when he didn't listen to what he was expecting he lashed back. The grounds for giving a negative review, let alone a 0%, have to account for its musical value somehow.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:39 pm 
 

Ok now Zodijackyl is just trolling.

http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/M ... Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:52 pm 
 

Yea that's a questionable one for sure. I wasn't sure to accept it or not, but he said he wasn't trolling. That's reliable, right? :boo:
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:15 pm 
 

I love how he refuses to combat the reasons why other people think it's terrible or even acknowledge its general consesus whatsoever. Nothing he writes there justifies a 100% review - it's more of a mildly descriptive and objective rite-up on the music ith little sprinkles of opinion. Awful.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:32 pm 
 

I actually quite liked that album, but you're right in that the 100% seems to be just for counterbalance to the 0s. The review didn't exactly scream "perfection! classic! must-have!"

And "The depth of the album is legendary"? Come on, even I wouldn't go that far. It's a brutally simple album by design.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:27 pm 
 

Yeah, hate to pull the troll card, but I'd be lying if I said that wasn't the first thought that crossed my mind as soon as I spotted those scores on the reviews page. The (lack of) content of both reviews did little to dissipate my doubts.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:11 pm 
 

Now that's just shocking. I'm surprised the standards aren't higher for an album that already has thirty reviews, not to mention the review isn't even good and in no way justifies a score of 100%.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:10 am 
 

PhantomMullet wrote:
What's your opinion on their demos? Tämä Ikuinen Talvi is probably my favorite Moonsorrow release in general, despite how different it sounds from their regular works.

I have that one, but haven't heard most of the rest. Tämä ikuinen talvi sounds kinda like a Wal-Mart version of older Dimmu Borgir, IMO... But I'm not too much into that kind of BM, really, so you can simply forget my opinions. I was going to include it in the lot, but decided against it, as it is not a part of the same continuum as the full-lengths.

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Now that's just shocking. I'm surprised the standards aren't higher for an album that already has thirty reviews, not to mention the review isn't even good and in no way justifies a score of 100%.

I'd clean the reviews on that, since probably 40% of those reviews are crap. But... but. I haven't heard but a few tracks off tha album, and I really don't have an opinion of my own on it. However, I definitely DO have an opinion on reviews on it, and frankly, I find them utterly repulsive, and I don't want to read any of them.

Any other mod willing to prune out about a third of that junk? I'll see to that you'll get the Order of Lenin for it. Please...?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:28 am 
 

What's happening to metal-archives? Illud gets 100%, Nespithe gets 40%. Fuck that shit, people have terrible tastes.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:08 am 
 

Ilwhyan wrote:
What's happening to metal-archives? Illud gets 100%, Nespithe gets 40%. Fuck that shit, people have terrible tastes.

Are you really that surprised?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:33 am 
 

I can accept that someone likes Illud, seeing that I haven't heard it, but disliking Nespithe is a sign of mental problems. Or of really low level of understanding.
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Napero wrote:
I can accept that someone likes Illud, seeing that I haven't heard it, but disliking Nespithe is a sign of mental problems. Or of really low level of understanding.

Seeing how the guy talks about the guitar work being incoherent barrages of notes, then I'd say your second guess is the correct one.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:39 am 
 

Did you see the list of DM he enjoys in the final paragraph of that review? Gateway bands, basically. I don't think he was quite ready for Demilich.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:51 am 
 

I wouldn't call Autopsy or Immolation gateway bands but yeah, I get your point. Unless you love really alien stuff by default it's very difficult to get a band such as Demilich.
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Xlxlx wrote:
I wouldn't call Autopsy or Immolation gateway bands.


I don't see how Autopsy aren't a good gateway band. Rocky, doomy catchy stuff that appeals to fans of heavy metal.
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ANationalAcrobat wrote:
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I wouldn't call Autopsy or Immolation gateway bands.


I don't see how Autopsy aren't a good gateway band. Rocky, doomy catchy stuff that appeals to fans of heavy metal.

It's just that I relate the term "gateway band" with groups like Machine Head and Cradle of Filth. You know what I mean.
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androdion wrote:
MalignantThrone wrote:
Isn't that the grounds for giving any album a negative review?

I think that what Empyreal meant was that he had great expectations for the album due to it being constantly praised. So when he didn't listen to what he was expecting he lashed back. The grounds for giving a negative review, let alone a 0%, have to account for its musical value somehow.


It's somewhat that, but the review came off as an extremely flimsy justification. It's like he heard these great things about it and then just listened to it based on the hype instead of how the actual, real music sounded. I can buy that he didn't like it, but giving it a shitty review as well as a 0% just shows that he didn't really take the time to analyze it at all or judge it based on anything other than his pre-conceived notions.
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Empyreal wrote:
It's somewhat that, but the review came off as an extremely flimsy justification. It's like he heard these great things about it and then just listened to it based on the hype instead of how the actual, real music sounded. I can buy that he didn't like it, but giving it a shitty review as well as a 0% just shows that he didn't really take the time to analyze it at all or judge it based on anything other than his pre-conceived notions.
Not to bitch too much, but http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/G ... 9/Wilytank anyone?

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Napero wrote:
I can accept that someone likes Illud, seeing that I haven't heard it, but disliking Nespithe is a sign of mental problems. Or of really low level of understanding.

It takes some time to appreciate it. For me it did at least. I could hardly believe, at first, how highly esteemed the band was, though I did enjoy the music somewhat.
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It's somewhat that, but the review came off as an extremely flimsy justification. It's like he heard these great things about it and then just listened to it based on the hype instead of how the actual, real music sounded. I can buy that he didn't like it, but giving it a shitty review as well as a 0% just shows that he didn't really take the time to analyze it at all or judge it based on anything other than his pre-conceived notions.
Not to bitch too much, but http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/G ... 9/Wilytank anyone?

His review is crappy, but I can completely understand why some find Obscura to be a highly annoying album (though I do like it myself).
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He does use the word "wankery" in nearly every sentence. Wait until he listens to Origin... :lol:
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I found this amusing: http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/A ... rest/3224/

Two reviews, same score and title. :lol: If I review that album, I think I'll title it "Terrible", regardless of what I think of the music.
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Looks like autothrall read some of the recent comments regarding him.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:15 pm 
 

Xlxlx wrote:


Why would you assume that? Seems like pretty nostalgia-trip (which is appropriate) autothrall goodness to me. He's had several reviews like this.

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Metal_Detector wrote:
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Why would you assume that? Seems like pretty nostalgia-trip (which is appropriate) autothrall goodness to me. He's had several reviews like this.

It just looks strangely long and meticulously descriptive considering what autothrall usually does (or at least what I've read from him). Not like that album deserves any less.
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That's typical for the classics he really enjoys. Check out the Keeper of the Seven Keys, Part 1 and No More Color reviews. Newer albums receive less info, usually. It just depends.

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Metal_Detector wrote:
That's typical for the classics he really enjoys. Check out the Keeper of the Seven Keys, Part 1 and No More Color reviews. Newer albums receive less info, usually. It just depends.

I will check those bad boys out then.
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MalignantThrone wrote:
I found this amusing: http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/A ... rest/3224/

Two reviews, same score and title. :lol: If I review that album, I think I'll title it "Terrible", regardless of what I think of the music.


I write my review in Notepad before posting them, so the coincidental titles and scores were completely unintentional. That demo really was terrible.

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