Two of the tracks on Angelical Tears' EP that were metallic bear close resemblances to many bands on MA, yeah. But the other four tracks didn't. They reeked of start-and-stop Evanescence-style guitar chugging.


Well, it seems somebody might've missed a spot. That can happen with selective sampling; particularly if you'd used those two tracks mentioned earlier in the submission.


Not hearing it. Sorry.

First if you was familiar with my submissions you will probably notice that especially for borderline bands I either submit a link where the moderator can stream all the tracks or a link where he can download the full release. Secondly that specific band was accepted by an old moderator who is undoubtedly extremely familiar with my submissions since 2006, so relax.

Anyway why don't you check MadMetalMachine's last post about Kamilla and tell me that the moderator also missed a spot and wrongly accepted the band, again

Actually, Kamilla sound metallic enough to my ears... the songs maintain rhythm well (sorry MMM ). The music is also darker, more aggressive and less upbeat than Angelical Tears.


Obviously the moderators won't all agree on a specific band, and in this case, it's probably going to result in a discussion/re-evaluation... if the other mods consider it metallic enough, then you're free to resubmit the band and I'll happily accept it.

I'm not trying to re-submit the band, I admit that the band is borderline. In my point of view they tend to be on the metallic side having undeniable Mortal Love/The Crest influences in their music. At least one moderator supposed that they are metal enough and accepted the submission. But then even Mortal Love and The Crest can be discussed. In all cases this is totally subjective. In fact, I didn't even wan't to comment on the deletion of the band but after I read all the comments I felt that this is going to be a 'freestyle' reporting/deletion of almost every single band that tends to be a 'little' soft and clean by users that are probably not quite familiar with what they are listening. Therefore I wanted to make my point clear especially that there is a common misunderstading regarding what can be labeled as gothic metal and gothic metal/rock. For instance you can't comapre The Crest to Tristania, Tristania to Epica, Epica to Within Temptation, Within Temptation to Sentenced, Sentenced to Cradle of Filth... Although they are all labeled as gothic metal, for a good reason.

Nor was there going to be a freestyle spree of reports. In case you didn't notice:


Bands with "Gothic Rock" in their genre who only have one or two releases could probably do with double-checking, yes. I wasn't calling on a sudden crusade against gothic metal, though.


Yeah, thanks. I know what gothic metal is.

I've noticed that. I've also noticed that:

by the user who submitted this: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Eye ... 3540338825 as a crossover band.

And that:

by the 14 yo deathcore/grindcore warrior.

Not to mention that MMM loved to submit HR bands as HM bands. Sorry but they didn't look quite reliable to me to judge such bands.



I wasn't referring to you.

Those two users aren't in the position to be clicking bands off the site. I am, and I can tell you I wouldn't have nuked Angelical Tears without cautious consideration, even if it appeared otherwise from my slightly tongue-in-cheek "this is gross"-type response before deleting it.

Obviously there might be some users eager to run off in the over zealous hopes of finding borderline bands for deletion, but that doesn't endanger said bands any more than if they'd been brought to attention last week.


I wasn't going by their judgement, I was going by my own. The song samples clearly weren't metal, but a download of the EP showed it was a bit more complicated than that. After weighing up the songs, it didn't seem right to leave them in the 'Archives...

Gravewish, drop it. You may disagree to your heart's content, but Alhadis is a moderator - you are not. Please respect his decision, and drop the insults.

I respected his decision and I constantly said in my posts that I don't care to re-add the band. The point was to prevent a possible freestyle deletion of other bands that may sound similar to unqualified users and I suppose we cleared that point. What insults are you talking about? I didn't intend to insult anyone.

Crooked X:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Crooked_X/119951
Their new stuff is Nickelback-styled hard rock/nu metal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgxUkkG6EOA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ2Va6Ll48k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEvHwg2_Ypc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oLUmNZZWWQ
I can only find two songs from their first full-length (which was the only album they had released at the time of submission), but one sums up the more hard rock moments of Motley Crue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJmT0mBS ... re=related
...and the other is still relatively hard rock-ish, though with some more metal leanings:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBIOzfSv ... re=related

Unless someone can prove that the rest of the songs from the debut are heavy in a way that doesn't sound like jumpdafuckup, I'd say they need to go.

I agree with Gravewish that these are not gothic rock. Gothic rock is Fields of the Nephilim, Sisters of Mercy, etc. Gothic metal isn't Within Temptation, it's Moonspell or In the Colonnades, in other words, an actual fusion of gothic rock and metal.

That said, that Angelical Tears band is wimpy Evanescence shit and not metal and Alhadis was not wrong to delete them. End of discussion.

Are you implying I'm deaf? I may have heard some metalness in that band, but I think a mod should make the final decision.

I think he's implying you have no idea what crossover is.

Probably. I submitted a crossover band before and it got rejected for not being metal. How dumb of me for not listening closely.

Just a question about this band since it fits under the same category http://www.myspace.com/wormholepostdark I can't find more samples other than these http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/wormhole32 is this enough or I don't bother submitting?

That isn't what this thread is for.

Yes, you are right sorry about that.

This Band does not belong here.All I hear is Post Hardcore shit.No Sludge metal signs at all.Just listen to these songs on facebook.crap.Most of these post rock bands have nothing to do with metal.they're just experimental hardcore shit man.

It's borderline, but what I'm hearing is metallic enough. "I am a Leaf" is showing a lot of stoner/doom metal influences too. Actually not bad, not remotely hardcore.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Asmund/3540339709
no release? There is a flyer that says: out soon .,..

Lately accepted band http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sub ... 3540339678 can't find anything about a physical release.

- So far digital only and currently we do not plan to release it on the disc.
- Also, we'll probably giving away some home-printed promo copies... But yeah, no official hard copy.
- http://www.facebook.com/events/231304250236034/ ---> We are very proud to present You our band's debut industrial metal EP entitled "Skulptura", which we are releasing under Creative Commons licence - free for download & listen in 320 kbit mp3 quality, along with complete cover artwork.
- Free download @ http://www.multiupload.com/DICE09GZ...

http://www.facebook.com/substanceblack?sk=info



They mention a back-cover on the EP on that event link, and the dude that submitted the band provided links to purchase an actual copy if my memory severs me right.

Did you check this link? http://www.facebook.com/events/231304250236034/ this is the link for the supposed "event" to release the EP on 16.07.2011 if you read the description of the event you will clearly see that the release is digital. To quote the description:



If you read this you can also see "the story" behind the back cover. You can't remember if the user provided a link to buy the physical EP after 23 minutes of your acceptance for the band, thing that you don't do often. OK but this is clearly a digital only release and the band should be deleted.

You are quoting the band's biography here:



This proves nothing, there is nothing regarding an actual physical release besides "which was released on 16.07.2011" is the digital release date.

I'll also use your way and quote the band's biography:

Listen smartass, untangle your panties. There's no reason for you to get an attitude and act like you're important, because you aren't. As I previously said, the user that submitted the band provided links in the submissions notes that included what I thought to be authentic proof of a physical copy. I read the original rejection notes, checked all the links, and it was based on my ironclad judgement that there was enough proof of a physical copy to allow the band to enter the site. Do you really think I just run haywire on band submissions and accept anything just for the shit of it? You wouldn't be smelling shit all the time if you'd pull your head out from your pompous, arrogant asshole bro. If you have something worthwhile to contribute, then do, but don't act like you're some kind of hotshot that needs to shoot first and ask questions later.

And to flatter ourselves, I'll send an e-mail to the band to verify if indeed there is a physical copy of the EP or any other releases.

As a young person, you need to learn some manners. That was the typical attitude of someone who can't use logical arguments and facts to prove his point. Moreover, this is "an abuse of power" attitude used by a moderator to, first, convince himself, then others, that he can manage to control this (and any) situation. As a matter of fact, this is an archetypal attitude of someone "who doesn't like to admit that he was/is wrong" although we can all be. Let me start by saying that I do honestly apologize from you and from any other user that got offended by my post. I didn't intend to act like someone important. In effect, I was following the webpage's rules regarding the existence of a physical release. With this said let's get back to some facts regarding this situation.
First of all, you are a moderator on this site, I am a normal user. Furthermore, if the user submitted a link showing the physical release then I don't see any reason to email the band just to prove me anything. But apparently he didn't.
Secondly, all the official pages of the band shows that the release is digital. The band looks exceedingly thrilled by this fact that they even created a Facebook event for the digital release. I suppose if they released the EP in physical format they would, at least, mention that somewhere in their official pages.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that the user didn't add anything to the submission's notes. In fact, he may probably added a link, or more, to a review. But again if you check any of their official sites you can clearly see that all of those reviews got written for the digital EP.
Based on your last post, I assume that the band was previously rejected and now they got accepted. Therefore if you just "ask" for the existence of a physical release they won't probably deny it existence just to avoid the band's deletion from MA. It will be better if you ask for a real photo of the physical release.
I have something worthwhile to contribute, yes. But the fact is that I am waiting to have some space in the queue. But you, as a dedicated moderator on the main site, why don't you spend some time checking the reports queue and the bands queue instead of trying to abuse your power on the forums?

If I'm wrong on something I'd admit it; there's no reason to display negativity on a third-party for no reason. This is not an abuse of power. You had a question, I answered it, and then you rifled back with rambling nonsense that insulted my decision to accept the band with an extra dose of sarcasm and pompousness. This has nothing to do with age or manners or whatever you're telling yourself it is; it was your smartassery that got this discussion going. If you had a point to make after my post, you shouldn't have thrown a hissy fit. And yes, I can control any situation I involve myself in. I've accepted several bands, reviews, and handled several reports without anyone jumping to the level that you did, even when I was contacted by actual members; most of them handled themselves with appropriate reactions to rejections and politely asked what was wrong and I told them and was glad to aid them in whatever their endeavors were. That was that. However, you seem to have a huge problem with either your ego or anyone questioning you on any level.

Also, I'm done with this. If you want to continue whining or calling me a virtual Hitler, feel free. I'll deal with the Substance Black page when the band members get back to me and then I'll make an update regarding their status.

I'm not answering your final post or else I will get headshotted .

Actually, none of the links in the submission notes or the report by the submitter of Substance Black has any mentioning of the physical release. Maybe GuntherTheUndying haven't noticed that on their Bandcamp page they sell only digital version. I assume this band can be deleted safely.

Thanks.

Yikes, let's all calm down here, shall we.

Did anyone ever check this one? It's primarily electronic.

Deleted.

Any word on this band yet?

Jesus. Deleted.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/For ... ms/119134#

Predominantly hardcore - the band, on the first two albums, is pretty much a clone of Misery Signals with breakdowns borrowed from The Acacia Strain (both of those bands aren't metal enough for the site). Their latest one is a more screamo-oriented version of the same thing. Not even remotely metal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=599m-dnEr00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfeZMN0xbbE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QANlJhlJkZM (this is as metal as they get IMO)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR5IF7ILreU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhtMoVh1tS8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOvoldC0wU0


Jelaga sounds like hardcore with a bit of nu-metal or Pantera influence.
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Jelaga/3540287704
http://www.myspace.com/jelaga

Hydropsy:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hydropsy/3540325716

I got their only demo in the mail today, and while pretty cool, it sounds a lot like GUT mixed with In Advanced Haemorrhaging Conditions-era Last Days of Humanity. Occasional metal moments, but mostly the groovy kind of goregrind considered not to be metal by MA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDAcodmBbjw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF8_UEpBO4c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS_5EpNwOG8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g87DUQ7LK_c

Bloody hell... how did this even get through? Rompeprop are +1000% times more metal than this.

Deleted. Good shit, though.

(BTW, a couple songs on that demo WERE metallic, but that really doesn't make up for the rest. Certainly does explain how selective sampling could've gotten this band included on MA, though.)

Mornament isn't metal, there's no metal riffing. It's mostly atmospheric clean guitar parts and a bit of prog/hard rock riffing. The heavier parts are similar to Scale The Summit, the rest is spaced out prog rock stuff.
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mornament/84114

Absolutely no metal riffing here:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=2193962280855

Two of the four songs from their demo that is on the archives:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmmvnonqSzw