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Empyreal
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:10 am 
 

Diamhea wrote:
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I didn't like From Beyond nearly as much as The Beyond. I realized my mistake after I read your post again.


Yeah From Beyond is a bit strange. Great classic story, but I was pretty underwhelmed when I saw it. Ken Foree's death scene is grotesque and spectacular though.


It was still a cool flick. I just feel like horror-comedies are hard to get right. Some of em like Re-Animator and Dead Alive really hit the spot, but others like From Beyond and Return of the Living Dead feel a little...neutered I guess. Like the horror and comedy don't really work as well as they could.
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Related to this thread i was wondering if i could ask y'all for your best horror films from the 90s and 2000s? I mean i'm mostly familiar with the older stuff, and have tended to avoid the vast majority of more recent ones, with a few pleasant surprises here and there. I'd like to know some decent-ish ones from peeps who know their horror and film in general. PLease don't post if you're 15 year old who isn't aware of the awesomeness of 60s and 70s, 80s horror greats, i'd prefer input from longtime fans, or those veteran or knowledgable on the genre. Cheers.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:03 pm 
 

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:11 pm 
 

DeathRiderDoom wrote:
Related to this thread i was wondering if i could ask y'all for your best horror films from the 90s and 2000s? I mean i'm mostly familiar with the older stuff, and have tended to avoid the vast majority of more recent ones, with a few pleasant surprises here and there. I'd like to know some decent-ish ones from peeps who know their horror and film in general. PLease don't post if you're 15 year old who isn't aware of the awesomeness of 60s and 70s, 80s horror greats, i'd prefer input from longtime fans, or those veteran or knowledgable on the genre. Cheers.


Hopefully I count...I've gone on and on about these films, but this is my collection of kick-ass modern horrors:

Session 9
The Orphan
Frozen
House of the Devil
The Strangers
Insidious
The Children
Pontypool

I guess because I've grown up in the 2000s and seen most of these movies released, I have a greater interest in them personally. But check 'em out if you're open to modern horrors - they might surprise you.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:29 pm 
 

DeathRiderDoom wrote:
Related to this thread i was wondering if i could ask y'all for your best horror films from the 90s and 2000s? I mean i'm mostly familiar with the older stuff, and have tended to avoid the vast majority of more recent ones, with a few pleasant surprises here and there. I'd like to know some decent-ish ones from peeps who know their horror and film in general. PLease don't post if you're 15 year old who isn't aware of the awesomeness of 60s and 70s, 80s horror greats, i'd prefer input from longtime fans, or those veteran or knowledgable on the genre. Cheers.


28 Days Later was the first thing that came to mind for me. Haven't seen the sequel though.
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^ Part of me thought the sequel was better than the original? Though neither are horrible really
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:01 am 
 

My God that Day of The Dead re-"imagining" was a disaster. Watching zombies crawl like spiders on the walls & ceilings was LOL funny.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:25 am 
 

I like horror-comedy

here are the best of those: http://www.flixster.com/movie-list/horror-comedy-3

Im always looking for more, so suggest some

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:22 pm 
 

While I love exploitation films and overall shitty films, which I feel are what the majority of the horror genre is made of, there are some really really awesome movies in the endless sea of gore.
My list of favorite horror films is as follows:

Hellraiser
Halloween
Friday the 13th
A Nightmare on Elm Street
The Thing
Alien
Session 9
Night of the Living Dead
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Vidocq
Virus
Deep Rising
The Omen
The House of 1000 Corpses
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:45 pm 
 

Zerberus wrote:
While I love exploitation films and overall shitty films, which I feel are what the majority of the horror genre is made of, there are some really really awesome movies in the endless sea of gore.
My list of favorite horror films is as follows:

Hellraiser
Halloween
Friday the 13th
A Nightmare on Elm Street
The Thing
Alien
Session 9
Night of the Living Dead
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Vidocq
Virus
Deep Rising
The Omen
The House of 1000 Corpses
Child's Play


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:29 pm 
 

Zerberus wrote:
While I love exploitation films and overall shitty films, which I feel are what the majority of the horror genre is made of, there are some really really awesome movies in the endless sea of gore.
My list of favorite horror films is as follows:

Hellraiser
Halloween
Friday the 13th
A Nightmare on Elm Street
The Thing
Alien
Session 9
Night of the Living Dead
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Vidocq
Virus
Deep Rising
The Omen
The House of 1000 Corpses
Child's Play

Doesn't really seem like a respectable list really. I mean - they're all pretty mainstream - are you sure you're as well versed in the horror genre as your post seems to indicate? Sure there are some great films in that list, but they're all pretty obvious choices. The Thing, The Omen etc. I don't think horror is overall any more shitty as a genre than action or comedy, for example. In fact, i think overall it's more creative and interesting.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:00 pm 
 

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The Orphan
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Pontypool


I would like to enthusatically second Pontypool and condemn Orphan with equal vigour. First though- I LOVED Pontypool. It has such a wonderfullly unusual premise, and for a horror film that is more dialoge than anything else its quite succesful. Plus, it's a perfect example of how confining a movie to a small location can create tension. Stephan McHattie was great as the lead too. If you dug this movie and are into radio, definitely check out the radio play.

Oh but Orphan! Puke factory! My girlfriend and I watched it cause she has the same name as the creepy little girl- we lol'd when that 'theres something wrong with esther' line was dropped in the trailer. Anyway, I thought it stunk. It began with the potential of having a big psychological creep factor, but totally bombed. Lame and idotic adult characters (almost rivaling those from Paranormal Activity 1), stupid plot, shitty pointless jump scares and a complete lack of subtley from the 'menacing' orphan. Gah and the ending- total crap twist.

Also, I'll throw this out there for fans of gore- Hobo With A Shotgun. I'm not a huge fan of gore/explotation, but this one of the most entertaining horror films I've seen in a while. Warped, gory and completely fucking hilarious. Just hearing Rutger Hauer respond to the line 'You cant solve every problem with a shotgun' with 'Its the only thing I know!' is worth it alone. Its trashy and stupid sure, but unexpectedly creative at times and totally self aware- in a way that helps it rather than harms it.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:32 pm 
 

CorpseFister wrote:
Oh but Orphan! Puke factory! My girlfriend and I watched it cause she has the same name as the creepy little girl- we lol'd when that 'theres something wrong with esther' line was dropped in the trailer. Anyway, I thought it stunk. It began with the potential of having a big psychological creep factor, but totally bombed. Lame and idotic adult characters (almost rivaling those from Paranormal Activity 1), stupid plot, shitty pointless jump scares and a complete lack of subtley from the 'menacing' orphan. Gah and the ending- total crap twist.


I love it. It's an intense balls-to-the-wall horror thriller that just never fucking lets up. It's held up really well over the last few years. I really didn't have a problem with the twist either. The same plot has been done over and over again since like the 50s, but I thought this one did it really well.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:43 pm 
 

DeathRiderDoom wrote:
Doesn't really seem like a respectable list really. I mean - they're all pretty mainstream - are you sure you're as well versed in the horror genre as your post seems to indicate? Sure there are some great films in that list, but they're all pretty obvious choices. The Thing, The Omen etc. I don't think horror is overall any more shitty as a genre than action or comedy, for example. In fact, i think overall it's more creative and interesting.


Well I find that most of those films are well known because they're that good. I don't know about other places, but The Thing, Session 9, the original Omen, Vidocq, Virus and Deep Rising aren't very well known in Denmark. As for movies like Hellrasier, Friday the 13th and A Nightmare on Elm Street, they're true classics for a reason. Many of them did something special to make them be remembered. I know they're mostly "obvious choices", but in their own respect they're special - I like the psychotic darkness of the first Halloween, the plot-twist of the first Friday the 13th, the gory outlook of the first Hellraiser and the bizarrely comic scenes of the first A Nightmare on Elm Steet: All things that make them stand out from other movies, including their follow-ups in the same series'.
That being said, I'm likely not as much a horror afficionado as others in this thread, but I feel I'm quite well-versed in classic horror. I was in a bit of a hurry with my list and didn't think to make it complete, but upon inspection of my somewhat limited collection (only slightly above 100 DVDs, not counting the two 50-DVD boxsets I have) I found that I had left out one of my absolute favorites. Maniac from 1980. I think that film took a different perspective on the typical slasher movie with the Frank Zito character and had a unique focus on the psyche of the killer rather than the fear of his victims. I'm also a big fan of the old classics like Dracula, Frankenstein and The Invicible Man.

I'm trying not to go all defensive here :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:47 pm 
 

Yeah i dunno, i guess i took issue with your impugning of the genre, and figured if you were willing to do so you were either well-versed in it, or really only familiar with the bigger flicks. No worries though. Yeah, Maniac is rightfully a cult classic - quite unique, and Spinell is a fucking natural in that role. Killer flick (no pun intended), need to see it again. Disturbing.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:05 pm 
 

CorpseFister wrote:
Stephan McHattie was great as the lead too.


Yes he is one of my favorite actors.
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DeathRiderDoom wrote:
Yeah i dunno, i guess i took issue with your impugning of the genre, and figured if you were willing to do so you were either well-versed in it, or really only familiar with the bigger flicks. No worries though. Yeah, Maniac is rightfully a cult classic - quite unique, and Spinell is a fucking natural in that role. Killer flick (no pun intended), need to see it again. Disturbing.


You're completely right. Spinell really fit that role perfectly, I don't think it would've been quite the same if the role was taken by another.
Another cult classic is Driller Killer. While somewhat laughable because of the very concept of a guy who runs around one night and drills people to death, I find that this too has a unique focus for a slasher-film. While Spinell's character Frank Zito in Maniac had some serious mother issues and this made him kill people, Driller Killer is about what set the killer off and made him into a murderer. In the case of Driller Killer it was caused by a tremendous amount of stress. The main character Reno Miller (played by the director Abel Ferrara) is a painter who struggles to keep up with the mounting pile of bills, tries to take care of his two roommates as well as making the deadline for his next painting while a punk band rehearses at all times of the day in a flat below his. When the stress finally becomes too much because his art dealer told him his now-finished painting was ridiculous he snapped and took to the streets with a power drill killing homeless people. Quite gory for 1979.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:37 pm 
 

Empyreal wrote:
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Oh but Orphan! Puke factory! My girlfriend and I watched it cause she has the same name as the creepy little girl- we lol'd when that 'theres something wrong with esther' line was dropped in the trailer. Anyway, I thought it stunk. It began with the potential of having a big psychological creep factor, but totally bombed. Lame and idotic adult characters (almost rivaling those from Paranormal Activity 1), stupid plot, shitty pointless jump scares and a complete lack of subtley from the 'menacing' orphan. Gah and the ending- total crap twist.


I love it. It's an intense balls-to-the-wall horror thriller that just never fucking lets up. It's held up really well over the last few years. I really didn't have a problem with the twist either. The same plot has been done over and over again since like the 50s, but I thought this one did it really well.


Eh, just admit it- you're into the creepy pedo factor. ;)

In other news, we got totally snowed in so there's a decent chance I'm gonna rent some horror movies and sit in all weekend. If so I shall report back with my findings.

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I just picked up Phantasm on VHS for $0.50 along with Evil Dead, and I'm pretty psyched to watch Phantasm again.
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Someone told me Don't answer the Phone is a really good one but I can't find it anywhere.

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DemonHellSpawn wrote:
I just picked up Phantasm on VHS for $0.50 along with Evil Dead, and I'm pretty psyched to watch Phantasm again.


VHS of Evil Dead, nice find. My favorite of the series. I'm not a big fan of the comedy-horror mix.
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I am very found of horror movies please give me the latest list
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:33 am 
 

Also "In the Mouth of Madness". John Carpenter has made a lot of great horror movies, and In the Mouth of Madness is a little different from what you've come to expect. Featuring something you could possibly call a meta-plot it's quite enjoyable with a cool lovecraftian setting as well as well-written (no pun intended if you've seen the film) characters. For fans of other Carpenter movies and Hellraiser.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:24 pm 
 

Yeah, MOM is pretty badass and unique. I didn't find it particularly terrifying, but very intriguing. Speaking of that, Prince of Darkness is another underrated Carpenter movie in a similar vein; he considers these two and I believe The Thing (1982) as some sort of trilogy.

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Diamhea wrote:
Yeah, MOM is pretty badass and unique. I didn't find it particularly terrifying, but very intriguing. Speaking of that, Prince of Darkness is another underrated Carpenter movie in a similar vein; he considers these two and I believe The Thing (1982) as some sort of trilogy.


Oh yeah, Prince of Darkness was actually surprisingly good. Also, Alice Cooper is in it! He plays a hobo-zombie.
About In the Mouth of Madness, no it wasn't very frightening but it was highly interesting and different from other horror movies. I'd say The Thing doesn't quite fit the bill with ItMoM and PoD, but it's certainly one of the best horror films ever made.
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Zerberus wrote:

Oh yeah, Prince of Darkness was actually surprisingly good. Also, Alice Cooper is in it! He plays a hobo-zombie.
About In the Mouth of Madness, no it wasn't very frightening but it was highly interesting and different from other horror movies. I'd say The Thing doesn't quite fit the bill with ItMoM and PoD, but it's certainly one of the best horror films ever made.


Yeah, Alice Cooper is what everyone seems to remember about that film. I just researched it, Carpenter calls it his "Apocalypse" trilogy. Go figure.
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The Devil Rides Out
The Satanic Rites of Dracula
Maniac
The Burning
The Prowler
Tenebrae
Suspiria
Inferno
Zombi 2
The New York Ripper
To the Devil a Daughter
Virgin Witch
Inquisicion
Witchfinder General
Mark of the Devil
Phantasm
Re-Animator
From Beyond
The Dunwich Horror
The Last House on the Left
The Hills Have Eyes
Dawn of the Dead
Day of the Dead
Night of the Living Dead
Friday the 13th pts I-IV
Halloween I & II
A Nightmare on Elm Street
The Slumber Party Massacre
Sleepaway Camp
I Spit On Your Grave
Thriller: A Cruel Picture
The Evil Dead
Simon, King of the Witches
Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer
Hellraiser
Dracula A.D. 1972
Black Christmas
Black Roses
Cannibal Holocaust

Lots of 60s/70s/80s for me. I like slashers and occult films mainly.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:00 am 
 

Another film I found surprisingly good was The Beyond (by Lucio Fulci). Like in true Fulci style the effects are remarkably realistic, and although it has its' tardy moments it's an overall very enjoyable film with some actually frightful moments.
I just remembered Re-Animator. I don't own it on DVD but have seen it many times, and it's an absolute cult classic. Extremely gory and also very good.
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I didn't like The Beyond for Fulci. I think that both that film and House by the Cemetary are sub-par. Another great Fulci I forgot is City of the Living Dead. The scene where the girl vomits up her intestines in the car is fucking awesome.
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I was going to ask if anyone was into the more morbid stuff like the August Underground series, but remembered that this thread only goes up to the 80s. Oh well, what about Men Behind the Sun?
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i love horror movies....my favs

-Halloween - classic! not the shitty Zombie remake
-Friday the 13th
-Friday the 13th pt6 - just for the way he came back to life with electricity like frankenstien and the humor..........."I have seen enough horror movies to know any wierdo wearing a mask is nevr friendly."
-Blair Witch - either you love it or hate it...i like to camp and it kinda creeped me out...and it left alot to the imagination
-Evil Dead
-Zombie - the Lucio Fulco one with the "eye splinter scene"
-Phantasm - saw this as a kid and fukiing loved it!
-The Fog - i just loved the creepiness and remoteness of it.......great scenery too
-Planet Terror - wasnt expecting what i saw it in the movies
-Dawn of the Dead - the original............
-Aliens - Sigourney Weaver just nailed it as Ripley and Cameron made his best picture IMO

Suspiria, Carrie, Exorcist, Serpent and the Rainbow, Demons, Jeepers Crepers, WolfCreek, Ring etcccccccccso many to name

i really love Italian horror.....Argento/fulco/Brava.........great movies visually but short on plot

the sickest ones for me was Necromantik and Cannibal Holocaust

i absolutly despise all the remakes! Hollywood just cant come up with new material these days....only remakes that were decent were Dawn and Texas

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:31 am 
 

Cannibal Holocaust is interesting for what it is. I enjoyed it, but I feel that it pulled punches at the end; which is built up to during the entire film. It just wasn't that shocking or gory.

The on-camera animal killings were the most shocking, in my opinion.
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1. the omen- 1976
2. psycho- 1960
3. silence of the lambs- 1991
4. night of the living dead- 1968
5. dawn of the dead- 1978
6. alien-1979
7. nosferatu-1922
8. poltergeist-1982
9. Dracula- 1992
10. children of the corn-1984

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:56 pm 
 

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Cannibal Holocaust is interesting for what it is. I enjoyed it, but I feel that it pulled punches at the end; which is built up to during the entire film. It just wasn't that shocking or gory.

It's pretty shocking if you take it in its proper context, both in terms of the framing story and the time it was made (I don't think it was just the animal cruelty that had it put on the Video Nasties list). I think it says a lot that Deodato lost his film license even in the notoriously permissive (read exploitatative) Italian industry of the time after making this movie. Despite that it's not intended to be the goriest and bloodiest film of all time, but to present a take on the mondo-documentary class of film and make it seem as close to reality as possible while still telling a rather engrossing story. I think the framing device is pretty good and I'm not often crazy about such things. It is supposed to be a film with a message, basically, and while it may be a pretty simple one (the divide between civilised man and savagery is not as clear as many of us think it to be) it is effectively told and works on a few different simultaneous levels. I think the film should be lauded more for its cleverness than its exploitation of an audience who loves to see blood on screen...
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BaloroftheEvilEye
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:36 pm 
 

Watching The Devil Rides Out, man it really get's to the thick of it quite quickly.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:42 pm 
 

BaloroftheEvilEye wrote:
Watching The Devil Rides Out, man it really get's to the thick of it quite quickly.


Love that movie! It's interesting to compare it with the novel, too. Some aspects of the book are a bit cooler but the film generally is more exciting. Is this your first time watching?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:03 pm 
 

Sort of. I saw part of it as a kid waaayy back. It was pretty damn good, but I'm a bit confused at the ending. Christopher Lee was awesome in it.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:40 pm 
 

BaloroftheEvilEye wrote:
Sort of. I saw part of it as a kid waaayy back. It was pretty damn good, but I'm a bit confused at the ending. Christopher Lee was awesome in it.


The book's ending is a lot weirder and kind of cooler as well, and surprisingly free of the Jesusloving going on in the movie. Generally though I have to say the film is more entertaining than the book. A part of that is Lee, and they wisely do away with the boring car chase from the novel that serves absolutely no purpose. I think both movie and especially book could have used more Mocata! For a charismatic satanic ipsisimus he's surprisingly absent except that everybody talks about him and what he's done all the time.

But yeah, it's an awesome story and I watch the movie every couple of years. :D
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:01 pm 
 

I don't think I've seen Bad Taste mentioned on here and in terms of cheesy horror films, this one is really on top.
It's one of Peter Jackson's first films but I've gotta say, it's up there with his other films for sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgCnCri2cTU
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:24 pm 
 

Henry Potrait of a Serial Killer- Manages to be incredibly disturbing while still having comedic moments. One of the most raw depictions of a serial killer I have ever seen.

Suspira-So what if it doesnt make sense, this is argento's most striking visual masterpiece.

The Children-This movies not afraid to show you some kids getting killed.

A Serbian Film-The scariest and most engrossing movie of the 00's. Despite its terrible reputation and some horrific scenes this is a skillfully crafted film.

Messiah of Evil-Described by some as the American Suspira this film is in the public domain now and thus available on youtube. Check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJTaHlx1AVQ

Rituals-Another obscure public domain flick that delivers is this Canadian survival story. Some friends go into the woods and things go perdictably disastrous. Features Hal Holbrook! Watch it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDxsS9Eb ... re=related

Demons-One of the most entertaining movie to come from italy this Argento produced film is also conveniently found on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdDniREptmw

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