Well, then, any other mods want to tell me what they think of this?

(By the way, that With Chaos in Her Wake band is pretty awesome. Hadn't heard of them before this, nice chuggy, sadistic basement-torture deathcore. But yeah, not metal at all.)

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Megrimmtr ... 6559948757 My band has been refused due to not having any samples, the link has some samples of my music. Would it be okay to submit again?

I am not a Mod but this is only Bass with some growling on top. Doesn't sound too Metal in this respect. If you have complete songs AND you have released them Physically then it is time to post them for review and if it is considered Metal at that moment then you might be accepted for installment on this site.
I am sorry to say but: This is nice for laughs but not for serious scrutiny!

For the interested I suppose this http://www.facebook.com/OfficialEvanBrewer is a side-project to add (didn't listen to the music).

Why was Venowl rejected? Their new album (pre-order up on Tuesday) is pretty fucking metal. You can stream it here: http://venowl.bandcamp.com/

Here's physical evidence of their Juldoriion tape, from their bigcartel page: http://cache1.bigcartel.com/product_ima ... 93/300.jpg

The sound quality is very poor, and it does not seem like that it is metal anyway.

...Zarach 'Baal' Tharagh is on the Archives, as are Wold, Cloak of Displacement, Ythogtha, Vucub Cane, Bone Awl, and countless others. Sound quality doesn't define genre. Your argument is invalid.

That other bands that seemingly are the same are on the Archives is no reason for the inclusion for this band YOU want to be included. This means that your argument is as Valid as the one you reacted upon!
Have you tried submitting them with those links you mentioned?
If so: what was the reason for the rejection?
If not: that was probably the reason for the rejection in the first place!

Another reason could be that this release you are talking about is not out yet and since it is the release that would make them Metal enough for the inclusion it would be another reason for rejection. The release must be out officially and pre-order is not enough for that. Remember it is pre-order so you can have it at your place the day it is officially released but it hasn't been released yet!

I have no idea. Got a Venowl tape in the mail a few days ago. Enjoyed it. Noticed they weren't on the archives. Attempted to add it. upon typing the band's name, I received a "This band has been blacklisted and your submission will be ignored" warning.

Then find a mod and ask his opinion for the new release! Maybe they will get it of the blacklisted list and you can submit them after that!

That's why I posted on here!

Rejected for not being enough metal, mostly noise!

Personally, I think it's a waste of bandwidth...

Yeah. Rob1, give him a break, he's doing exactly what he's supposed to do when objecting to a blacklist.

What are your thoughts on the situation, Morrigan? I figured I'd bypass Porman's rude comment and ask a more formidable mod.

Truth =/= Rude. It honestly does sound like a bunch of random noise, sprinkled with constipated screams. And noise is not metal (unless it's made with pots and pans).

I'll provide a second opinion. It's noise; it shares none of the riffs, or instrumentation, or musical style you'd expect from metal. Sorry, it's just not metal enough for this encyclopedia.

Also, simply because a mod comments in a way you find rude does not mean his comment is worth any less respect than any other mod's. I've given my second opinion as you insisted, but Porman is most certainly right in his assessment.

In calling it a waste of bandwidth? There's nothing right in calling that if you put garbage like Zarach 'baal' Tharagh on the archives and call it metal.

PS, check the label website for a metal Venowl song. It was even mastered (and complimented, apparently) by the bassist of your beloved Gorguts.

http://www.ivoryantler.com/venowl.html

That track is still mostly noise...

Even if you had a few tracks that were borderline metal; an album or work must be predominantly metal to be accepted here. Regardless of what anyone might say about it, it's the music that ends up mattering, not the comments made about it.

Sorry.

Guitar + drums + voice = doom. It's just...noisy.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mielofon/31940

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sut ... 3540321344

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Lon ... 3540292597 (What We Were was performed on a Casio. Metal instrumentation?)

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Veg ... yrs/118164

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wra ... Weak/85296

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%C3%86thenor/84374

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/M%C3%B8rke/33030

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/BlackStream/62689

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Drome/3540331226

Moderator logic fail.

Haha. You know, I'm pretty sure that The Jonas Brothers use those same three elements...

I don't even know why I bother with this stupid website. It's run by morons who can't tell Darkthrone from a recording of a fucking refrigerator, but they sure as hell can hum along to "The Trooper."

And you were doing so well. One rejection and you get all butthurt. Oh well, don't let the door hit you etc etc.

Oh, that wasn't my first rejection. You guys are notorious for blacklisting bands and users who have plenty to contribute to this website. Quit being jackasses.

Verglas was rejected. ( http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Verglas/3540335653 )
You asked for sound samples and web links.

They don't have a website but as you'll see below, SeedStock Records sold their two tapes;

http://seedstock.bigcartel.com/product/ ... nerbres-cs

http://seedstock.bigcartel.com/product/ ... mo-2011-cs

Ask me in PM for sound samples if necessary.

There isn't really an "if". Samples and/or other credible proof for metalness (a review, for example) is a must in these cases. They have physical releases, so you can resubmit, but only if you can provide some evidence that the band plays black metal other than a short text by the label.


Well, this thread isn't for skipping the proper submission system. There are too many instances in this thread of users asking what the odds are of this or that band getting approved. If you read the title of this topic you'll see that that's not at all its intended function. If you think the band could fit the rules, then include the necessary proof and submit them. What you're asking about (metalness) will then be judged accordingly. You don't need to hunt down all the info about the band, i.e. make the submission exhaustive. Only proof of physical release and samples are really needed (though one or two links to bandsites/FB/etc. can't hurt either; that shouldn't be too much work to include). If the band gets accepted you can always add things like their complete 76-demo-tapes-discography later on.

My comment wasn't made to offend anyone, it was just my opinion. If you can't handle negative criticism, then you should do something else or are you going to bitch about it whenever you get a bad review in a zine?

Sorry, but what I heard was purely noise, and unstructured noise as well.

My thought has always been that metal has to have riffs. I heard not one single riff. Pounding drums, screaming and playing an open chord over and over again does not count.

What's wrong with being able to hum along to The Trooper anyway?

I guess being able to name drop a band like Darkthrone is much cooler... Who are Darkthrone anyway? An obscure black metal band?

Heard they were a premium manufacturer of dark leather swivel chairs.

Guys, Let's quit this. We are hurting this guys feelings.

Bettrer still: I can't even type flawless because of all the laughing I do from your comments!

Some people just can't take no for an answer and keep bitching about until they get their way ................. or banned!

Why was Vetche removed from the archives? this was the side project between Lucifugum and Nokturnal Mortum members. I did a search and Vetche didn't appear on this forum. They've only made one release and are most likely considered dark ambient. Two songs are non-metal instrumental, but the other two tracks sound metal enough to appear on an old Lucifugum demo or even Nokturnal mortum.

It doesn't bother me whether they get added back or not as I already know everything about the project, but I'm just curious as to why it was removed.

You've answered your question yourself. They were removed for being dark ambient and not metal.

You know, you could have just said "more -core than metal", because being deathcore could mean that a band is metal.

http://www.metal-archives.com/search?se ... band_genre
- Look at how many deathcore bands are on the site.

You ask me about reason so I check blacklist and gave you reason that is there.
I don't know this band and I don't have mod for listening such crap.
Lots of those new (not nu-) metal/deathcore bands are for me like Japanease...
They want to copy something but it looks like parody...

What about the side-project aspect?

Yes, that too. Also, technically, half of Vetche's songs can be considered metal, as I described above. By removing them from the database, lots of other neoclassical/darkwave/ambient bands can be removed as well. Like Grabesmond...

And Hunok.
Vetch probably the best argument in favor of it of the last few pages; Nokturnal Mortum is at least notable enough that side projects make sense.

They don't have worldwide distribution.

vthornr and PhantomMullet - read the rules about the side projects. Side projects are accepted only when they have an album on a label with worldwide distribution. As for metalness, the band must have at least one album that is predominantly metal, not half-metal. In case of Vetche, even those two songs aren't 100% metal.