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cerveza
Mallcore Kid

Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:56 am
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:38 am 
 

METAL ARCHIVES NICK : crimson_relic777
PAYPAL : Manuel_78@freenet.de
EBAY NICK : den5781


I sent payment for 200€ worth of cds by paypal on 22 MAR.It's been 3 months now and still no nothing whatsoever,not even the tracking number !!! Do not deal with this thief,i waited long enough and sent numerous messages to no avail.Read all his lies below-



6 May -
CDs are on the way... will give you the tracking nr. as soon as I´m back home from work...

24 Apr -
my mum was in hospital for some time and died last wednesday... couldn´t make it to the post right now, but my girlfriend will send your CDs on monday... sorry for the long time, bro...


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Thorncross
Metal newbie

Joined: Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:32 am
Posts: 104
PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:57 am 
 

Dealt with this German piece of shit once and, guess what, I was ripped off as well. He used to post here as "Manuel_78" if memory serves me well, should check my inbox. No big news though, 90% of Germans are like that:

1) If you trade with them, they'll do their best to to leave you with the shortest stick in your hands, proposing ridiculously unbalanced deals (this is what that Christopher "torkyn" Heinke faggot usually does, among many others)
2) If you bid on one of their ebay auctions, they'll make sure to bump the price by means of bogus accounts (try bidding on any auction by ebay user "dr.pus" to see what I mean)
3) Even in the remote chance you win the auction/buy something off them, they'll do everything they can to rip you off on postage
4) if 1), 2) and 3) fail, they'll simply resort to sheer theft and keep your stuff claiming it has been lost in the post.


Germans are the cancer of metal (and world on a wider perspective)

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cerveza
Mallcore Kid

Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:56 am
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:00 am 
 

I have dealt with other German traders but all are honest so far except for this asshole.

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Thorncross
Metal newbie

Joined: Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:32 am
Posts: 104
PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:06 am 
 

Sure, there are a few reliable people coming from that lurid cesspool of gay activists, turks and HIV+ whores but for the most part it's just a bunch greedy jews ready to sell their mothers for RARE and OOP wynils/stuffs.

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deadhead
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Joined: Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:59 pm
Posts: 275
Location: Ukraine
PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:17 am 
 

cerveza

Why the hell you have not opened dispute and claim in PayPal within 45 days from payment date?
Do this every time, no matter have you tracking number or no....

ehhh.....
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MMM88
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Joined: Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:10 am
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:03 am 
 

I don't think he can do that given that it was a personal transaction. If you bought stuff on ebay, then yes file a claim as soon as possible, chances are you will get your money back.
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Thorncross
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Joined: Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:32 am
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:21 am 
 

MMM88 wrote:
I don't think he can do that given that it was a personal transaction. If you bought stuff on ebay, then yes file a claim as soon as possible, chances are you will get your money back.

Nope, Paypal will always refund money in case of documented fraud -as in the case being- , no matter if the goods were bought on Ebay or through private transaction. As for myself, I allow 25-30 days for the stuff to reach my mailbox. Afterwards, claim will be filed no matter how many good references the seller may provide -when dealing with Germans and worms alike I'm usually even less tolerant.

If you deal wth someone 3 weeks are more than enough to get the fucking stuff delivered, fuck all those "sorry for the delay, my grandma has just passed away" bullshit excuses.

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genocida
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Joined: Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:48 am
Posts: 145
Location: Indonesia
PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:52 am 
 

Thorncross wrote:
He used to post here as "Manuel_78"


I haven't deal with him but I saw he got some successful deal and some bad feedback. And I think it is his personality which is shit, not because he is German.

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daemonenfrass
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Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:14 pm
Posts: 320
Location: Germany
PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:09 am 
 

genocida wrote:
Thorncross wrote:
He used to post here as "Manuel_78"


And I think it is his personality which is shit, not because he is German.



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Greyskys
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Joined: Sun May 29, 2011 6:19 am
Posts: 363
Location: Germany
PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:34 am 
 

Thorncross wrote:
Dealt with this German piece of shit once and, guess what, I was ripped off as well. He used to post here as "Manuel_78" if memory serves me well, should check my inbox. No big news though, 90% of Germans are like that:

1) If you trade with them, they'll do their best to to leave you with the shortest stick in your hands, proposing ridiculously unbalanced deals (this is what that Christopher "torkyn" Heinke faggot usually does, among many others)
2) If you bid on one of their ebay auctions, they'll make sure to bump the price by means of bogus accounts (try bidding on any auction by ebay user "dr.pus" to see what I mean)
3) Even in the remote chance you win the auction/buy something off them, they'll do everything they can to rip you off on postage
4) if 1), 2) and 3) fail, they'll simply resort to sheer theft and keep your stuff claiming it has been lost in the post.


Germans are the cancer of metal (and world on a wider perspective)


Oh yes!I'm in such a shame!Every german metalhead shoud be as well!As reparation for this unbelievable crime all germans should sell their whole CD/Vinyl/Tape-collections for no price!This would support the whole Heavymetal-Underground!But this is and was unforgivable!!!
Germans will be never equal to other metalheads and have to live their worthless lives in shame forever!

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ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?
Just because you were to stupid to buy your wants for the price their worth, it doesnt mean germans are greedy!Surely I dont want to get unbelievable rich from my collections but I know what it's worth and try to get the best out of it!
And stop with that retarded "Metal-Brothers"-shit!I dont know you and most of all metalheads I've ever known were stupid sociopaths.There's no reason to give you my good stuff for only a few bucks just because you've the same taste in metal!Only if you were a friend of mine I would give you some good shit for cheep!
This is fucking metal!Not Hello Kitty!You get what you payed for and if you're too stupid to know what the things you want are worth,you'll surely pay more then necessary!
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Thorncross
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:54 am 
 

Greyskys wrote:
*typical retarded kraut rant*

Selling rare stuff and getting a good chunk of $$$ from it is one thing. Being a disgusting money-luring kike who'd play each and every imaginable trick to gain an extra buck off you -all of that in his horribly butchered kraut-version of the English language- is a completely different chapter and that's exactly what happens with most human filth coming out of that disgraceful "nation" (I use the term loosely) of yours. Germany might have been a cool country in the late '30ies/early '40ies, sadly it's just a waste of human flesh nowadays.

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Greyskys
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Joined: Sun May 29, 2011 6:19 am
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Location: Germany
PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:30 pm 
 

Your totally right when you say that that worthless scum of human beeings I see everyday walking down the street has no right to exist!The mass of people living in a country is only as wise as their government,their leaders and the medias make them.Only a few people can be "clean in the dirt".The history proves that!And I cant imagine that this is only a bit diffrent from any other country.This is no mark of germany but of humanity at all
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Greyskys
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Location: Germany
PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:31 pm 
 

...and dont come with bad language.You cant even spell the names of your LPs right:
Quote:
ABIGOR - Werwustung LP
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cerveza
Mallcore Kid

Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:56 am
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:17 pm 
 

Germans are nice people in my opinion and as said before,all are great except for that black sheep.

I guess i have been too nice and patient to wait that long,i usually give people the benefit of the doubt,now i learnt my lesson the hard way.

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pornstorestiffy
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Joined: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:04 am
Posts: 434
Location: Australia
PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:24 pm 
 

I have only had good experience trading/buying from the Germans. In fact, I'm living in germany right now :)
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Thorncross
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Joined: Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:32 am
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:09 am 
 

Greyskys wrote:
...and dont come with bad language.

Thorncross wrote:
all of that in his horribly butchered kraut-version of the English language


Exactly my point.

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Greyskys
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Joined: Sun May 29, 2011 6:19 am
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Location: Germany
PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 7:02 am 
 

Changes nothing at the fact that you're,
1)...too stupid to get your wants for normal prices...
2)...too fucking naive to protect yourself from getting riped-off...
3)...and obvoisly a crying pussy who cant keep his emotions and starts to insult all germans without any intellect!
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Thorncross
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 7:44 am 
 

"Changes nothing" on that you're a kartoffeln douche who failed his primary school English test, lives in a third world country for turks and Ebola niggers and would probably sell his own family for kvlt records in M/M conditions. Have another sauerkraut and stop embarrassing yourself.

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Greyskys
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Joined: Sun May 29, 2011 6:19 am
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Location: Germany
PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 7:51 am 
 

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I sold mine for $350 one year ago. It was in M/M conditions though, unlike yours.


You fucking son of a bitch say that germans are jewish sellers/traders while selling a fucking platelet of plastik for 350$!
You complain about people who would do everything to get rare stuff beeing a pedophile 51 year old bastard with no sozial life but with 7.000 CDs in your collection!
You say that germans are scum just because our country is polluted with niggers and turks!
Man I would love to beat with germanic force the crap out of your ugly face which covers your decayed brain full of pathetic thoughts about getting attention through huge collections!
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Valgrinder
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Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:26 am
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:56 am 
 

cerveza wrote:
METAL ARCHIVES NICK : crimson_relic777
PAYPAL : Manuel_78@freenet.de
EBAY NICK : den5781


So what is this fuckers name? Or can anyone make ebay and/or paypal account and still be anonymous?

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Thorncross
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Posts: 104
PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:07 am 
 

Valgrinder wrote:
cerveza wrote:
METAL ARCHIVES NICK : crimson_relic777
PAYPAL : Manuel_78@freenet.de
EBAY NICK : den5781


So what is this fuckers name? Or can anyone make ebay and/or paypal account and still be anonymous?

Manuel Pittgens
Annastrasse 6
47638 Straelen
GERMANY

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daemonenfrass
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Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:14 pm
Posts: 320
Location: Germany
PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:33 am 
 

Wer braucht schon perfektes Englisch, wenn er Deutsch sprechen kann?

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Grief_Of_Adoration
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Location: Evoken Realm
PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:28 am 
 

I was ripped off as well by Crimson_Relic777.

I sent him/her 7 rare cds, 60 days ago, But I didn't get anything from him.
I sent him more than 15 messages, He/She read all of them but didn't any reply to them.

I lost some Rare cds:(

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manuels_hammer
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Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:33 am
Posts: 423
PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:38 am 
 

I have also recently been swindled and cheated by moneybookers pay 200 euros dammit fuckkkk!! never pay back Moneybookers is crap and a scam do not protect the buyer only use paypal is the best and most recommended

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Grief_Of_Adoration
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:01 pm 
 

This is Her/His Address: (Crimson_Relic777)

Julia Müscher
Annastr. 6
47638 Straelen
Germany

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Thorncross
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:42 pm 
 

Grief_Of_Adoration wrote:
This is Her/His Address: (Crimson_Relic777)

Julia Müscher
Annastr. 6
47638 Straelen
Germany

It's the same address he gave me when he stole my Profanatica/Masacre cd. Since his own birth name (Manuel Pittgens) became synonymous with fraud he's now using his mother/aunt's one to rip people off.

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Thorncross
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:49 pm 
 

A quick search on google is enough to reveal this cunt's private phone number in case someone wants to give him a call. His history as a rip off is well documented also.

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cerveza
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Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:56 am
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:44 am 
 

Thorncross wrote:
Grief_Of_Adoration wrote:
This is Her/His Address: (Crimson_Relic777)

Julia Müscher
Annastr. 6
47638 Straelen
Germany

It's the same address he gave me when he stole my Profanatica/Masacre cd. Since his own birth name (Manuel Pittgens) became synonymous with fraud he's now using his mother/aunt's one to rip people off.



I thought his mother passed away lol

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cerveza
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:45 am 
 

The moderators might want to sticky this thread to prevent others from getting ripped off.

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Grief_Of_Adoration
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:57 am 
 

Thorncross wrote:
Grief_Of_Adoration wrote:
This is Her/His Address: (Crimson_Relic777)

Julia Müscher
Annastr. 6
47638 Straelen
Germany

It's the same address he gave me when he stole my Profanatica/Masacre cd. Since his own birth name (Manuel Pittgens) became synonymous with fraud he's now using his mother/aunt's one to rip people off.


He is a motherfucker, he offered me Profanatica/Masacre cd (Thorncross' cd) for my Carbonized Cd.

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Grief_Of_Adoration
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:59 am 
 

Please give me his phone number, I will f***k him.

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Thorncross
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:31 pm 
 

Grief_Of_Adoration wrote:
Please give me his phone number, I will f***k him.

Please give me a few hundred EUR to cover trip costs and I will gladly crush his head.

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cerveza
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:59 am 
 

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Grief_Of_Adoration
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:42 pm 
 

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Tom_Anvil
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Location: Australia
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:42 am 
 

I too sent this fucker about 5 CD's mid last year & I never heard from him after I sent my part of the trade, but I was lucky enough that my CD's arrived back to me stating that they couldn't be delivered, or never arrived at his address?!!?!!
I found his phone number on the net & rang him everyday, morning & night & there was never an answer.. I think he also has some sort of website as well..??
I guess I was one of the lucky ones, but the time & effort spent on this fucker & the fact he never sent his part of the trade made me suspect he was a rip-off scumbag!
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vempirechrist
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:51 am 
 

there's usually 2 sides to each story...i had a successfull trade with this person....
apparently not many others did....

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cerveza
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:27 am 
 

thief!

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Thorncross
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:32 am 
 

vempirechrist wrote:
there's usually 2 sides to each story...i had a successfull trade with this person....
apparently not many others did....

That's the usual MO of rip offs. First they arrange some minor trade which turns out to be succesful and grants them good feedback, then they start acting like douchebags. Seen that happen a million times before, like with that Behemoth7 turd, Michael Pollino from Australia and several others. I've come to the point where I no longer accept trades unless it's the counterpart who's sending first no matter how many good references he may be able to provide.

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Grief_Of_Adoration
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:53 am 
 

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emperor_zola
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Posts: 692
Location: Hungary
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:51 am 
 

damnit, I googled this nickname AFTER I sent a package to this guy 2 days ago, and I didn't get any response form him.

mega facepalm :@

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