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Vinylladdie
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:21 am 
 

I saw this show in Edinburgh, and met the bands at a signing session in a beer garden hosted by a local record shop.

My question is: who sung with Death on this tour - certainly wasn't Chuck. The band said he was called Louie (possibly a roadie?)

Anyone help my decaying braincells?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:49 am 
 

This should clear things up, mate...
"The European tour was only two weeks away and Chuck decided to cancel it for personal reasons. Andrews and Butler decided to do it no matter what, they took on Walter Trachsler (soundman on the preceding US DEATH tour and ex - Texas ROTTING CORPSE member) as guitarist and Louie Carrisalez (ex-ROTTING CORPSE, DEVASTATION) as vocalist and played under the name of DEATH for the long European tour where they supported KREATOR."

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Vinylladdie
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:05 am 
 

Cheers bud!

That clears up some foggy memories. They weren't too bad - but there were a lot of unhappy bunnies at Chuck's decision at the gig (i seem to remember a rather flipant response from Andrews at the signing when we asked him)! My Death Lp's are signed by this line up! Doh...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:24 pm 
 

Is there any video of this temporary line up? That would be interesting.

Also, I wonder if those signed LPs are any more valuable for that.

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Vinylladdie
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:33 pm 
 

Me too!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:09 am 
 

yeah, im to big of a death fan but seeing a linup like that would be interested

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Tornado
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:20 am 
 

Vinylladdie wrote:
Cheers bud!

That clears up some foggy memories. They weren't too bad - but there were a lot of unhappy bunnies at Chuck's decision at the gig (i seem to remember a rather flipant response from Andrews at the signing when we asked him)! My Death Lp's are signed by this line up! Doh...


Band and fans were pissed off big time if I recall. I remember reading in Metal Forces (I think!) a live review for one of their shows with this line-up. It said that someone in the crowd shouted out "Where's Chuck?" and the singer shouted back something like "He's at home having a wank!".

I think those events, plus the fact that Chuck was having serious problems with his Manager, who he parted ways with, at that point were the main reasons why 'Human' turned out to be more brutal than Spiritual Healing. Chuck was pissed and had a lot to get off his chest!

I too wonder if those signed LP's are worth considerably more than you may have originally thought.

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Vinylladdie
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:05 am 
 

Ah metal forces... now that was a great mag...

Might test the waters of EBAY with signed cd of Spiritual Healing....

Cheers for help Tornado!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:10 am 
 

Vinylladdie wrote:
Ah metal forces... now that was a great mag...



Yep, back in the day in South Africa that was the first metal mag I bought and continued to buy, pricey as it was.

Curious about the value of those LPs, too, would be nice to have an actual grading guide for metal stuff besides the ridiculous prices on eBay and what-not.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:34 am 
 

Vinylladdie wrote:
Ah metal forces... now that was a great mag...

Might test the waters of EBAY with signed cd of Spiritual Healing....

Cheers for help Tornado!


No worries, dude. Would have been an interesting gig to be attending, that's for sure (I didn't get to see Death until 1998 or 1999, at the Dynamo Festival in Holland). And seeing Kreator playing material from just their first 5 albums would have been fantastic, too.

I'm sure there are fans that would pay handsomely for those signed albums you have. But don't let 'em go for too low a price. It would be quite difficult to get autographs from the remaining ex-members of Spiritual Healing era Death (I think Bill Andrews lives in Japan now as an English teacher). I just wonder how much an album with Chuck's autograph would now be worth?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:59 am 
 

Death without Chuck, as a fan you gotta feel pretty ripped off if you paid money for that. It's as bizarre as Megadeth without Dave would be.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:30 am 
 

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Death without Chuck, as a fan you gotta feel pretty ripped off if you paid money for that. It's as bizarre as Megadeth without Dave would be.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:55 pm 
 

If only the real Death had toured with Kreator back in 1990; That would have been really kick ass. As for the autographs, I'd hold onto them. It's still 2/4 of the Spiritual Healing line up and it's cool to be able to say you got a signature from the guy who replaced Chuck, as stupid as it may sound.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 7:14 pm 
 

"No worries, dude. Would have been an interesting gig to be attending, that's for sure (I didn't get to see Death until 1998 or 1999, at the Dynamo Festival in Holland). And seeing Kreator playing material from just their first 5 albums would have been fantastic, too."

Kreator were worth it alone - insane pit action. Had the the tour poster for years - gone now tho.... no idea what happened to it. Still, have the ticket stub and a bunch of photo's of K live in Germany that they gave me at the signing session... and my signed K lp's :)

Had that Death line up line my Scream BG and Leprosy LP's too....

A great day that was indeed....
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:31 am 
 

I'd love to hear this although I totally understand why Chuck had to fire his band members after this debacle. Did they really think they could replace Chuck in the long run with impunity?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:46 am 
 

Sounds like an interesting line up but I would be really pissed if that was the only time I ever got to see Death...without Chuck!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:35 pm 
 

Temple Of Blood wrote:
I'd love to hear this although I totally understand why Chuck had to fire his band members after this debacle. Did they really think they could replace Chuck in the long run with impunity?

It was also because of the lies they spread on that tour. Would you want to be in a band with a bunch of guys who said that you were joining a glam band, off masturbating, etc. etc.? I wouldn't.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:28 pm 
 

thrashinbatman wrote:
off masturbating, etc. etc.?


They probably weren't lying about that. He's a professional musician not on tour, not much else for them to do.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:57 pm 
 

WaywardSon wrote:
thrashinbatman wrote:
off masturbating, etc. etc.?


They probably weren't lying about that. He's a professional musician not on tour, not much else for them to do.

Good point, lol. Still not something I'd want my band members to be telling the fans.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:37 pm 
 

a live show from this tour!

http://lockjaw-yappy.blogspot.com/2011/ ... ov-24.html
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:50 pm 
 

The only time I saw Death was I think in 1990, but now I'm confused. Certainly, It was between 1990 and 1991 but the other main act with them was Pestilence. The show was in Portland, OR. Anyone remember what year it was and who else they were with. I was a huge fan of Kreator at the time and it wan't them. Death, Pestilence, and <bands>.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:40 am 
 

Misfit74 wrote:
The only time I saw Death was I think in 1990, but now I'm confused. Certainly, It was between 1990 and 1991 but the other main act with them was Pestilence. The show was in Portland, OR. Anyone remember what year it was and who else they were with. I was a huge fan of Kreator at the time and it wan't them. Death, Pestilence, and <bands>.


It wasn't Carcass was it? I'm sure they toured with Death and Pestilence around 1990/1991.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:12 am 
 

Yeah, when I saw Death (with Chuck) towards the end of 1990 in Boston, Carcass were the main opening act. I had never heard Carcass until then and they had such stage presence I bought Symphonies Of Sickness the next day. I don't even remember if Pestilence played at that show or not.

I also saw Death in late 1989 (unless it was really early in 1990...too long ago to remember) with Devastation opening. For both of those gigs I was bummed that they only played Zombie Ritual from SBG as a crowd pleaser. I guess Chuck was already shedding his gory roots at that point.

The only other time I saw them was for their Individual Thought Patterns tour, and was hoping Andy LaRoque would be on stage...he wasn't of course. Sacrifice opened for them...which was funny since they hadn't been relevent since the 80s; I was expecting a more death metal band for some reason.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:53 pm 
 

Vinylladdie, thank you for good idea for the topic! I well remember some interviews from those distant times - Death' members against Chuck and Chuck against guys. It was a pit of poison.

Hope, to find any video from those gigs!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:15 pm 
 

Heres an interview where Chuck briefly discusses that tour and what happened.

http://www.emptywords.org/Thrash%27nBurn-08-1991.htm

Edit** Found another one. This site is actually full of different interviews put in a timeline from the eighties to the two thousands.

http://www.emptywords.org/RHinterview3-91.htm

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:04 pm 
 

thrashinbatman wrote:
Temple Of Blood wrote:
I'd love to hear this although I totally understand why Chuck had to fire his band members after this debacle. Did they really think they could replace Chuck in the long run with impunity?

It was also because of the lies they spread on that tour. Would you want to be in a band with a bunch of guys who said that you were joining a glam band, off masturbating, etc. etc.? I wouldn't.


i like how people always take Chucks side on that, the fuckin guy ditched out on their tour of Europe for like the 3rd time? yeah.....personally i wouldn't want to be in a band where people don't fufill their obligations [nevermind, i was listening to Death afterwards totally forgot "Live in eindhoven?" i thought that was somewhere on the east coast but apparently it's dutch]

and on that Death/Pestilence tour: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMp97zFn_tM an interview of Pestilence after Death quit early for having a bottle thrown ahah

last thing, from that^ interview posted:
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for the project, Charlie began intensive rehearsals for the record, eventually entering Tampa's Morrisound Studio's on April 29th to start tracking the album. At the end of May, just as the group and producer Scott Burns began to mix the new record -titled "Human"- I had an opportunity to sit down face-to-face with Chuck 'Right On' Schuldiner


Charlie 'Right on' Schuldiner, gave me a good laugh

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:23 pm 
 

The emptywords.org page is full of so many articles I would of never knew existed. The past two days I have been reading through them when time allows. Lots of interesting stuff. Its nice to read through a bands existence when you weren't able to live through it. Especially when Death have become one of my favorite bands.

You would of thought that this Kreator tour would of caused a louder controversy. I never even knew about it until I read about it here.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:32 pm 
 

The bootleg from that tour is very interesting. The guy handling the vocals seems like the one singing on Devastation's Idolatry. Yet the vocals on that album are attributed to another dude. Your thoughts ?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:34 am 
 

I know this thread is over 2 years old but footage of this tour has finally been posted online. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME5J-hZC77U

A truly awful performance. It gets interesting at 19:30. A huge "We want Chuck" chant starts. That is when the majority of the shit talking about Chuck takes place.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:14 pm 
 

My question from 2011 is still unanswered. Judging by the video the vocals are identical to Rodney Dunsmore's on Devastation's Idolatry. Louie Carrisalez is credited as a drummer on Signs Of Life. The rest of his credits are drumming related as well, except for the record which states that he did live vocals for Death. Something is wrong here.
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It looks more like Rodney than Louie too. Not the greatest quality video though.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:09 am 
 

I think in an interview Chuck said that he understood why they went on without them and knew it was shitty to bail, but he fired them more because of the shit they were talking on him throughout the tour. He got real pissed about that, he saw it as a betrayal.


It's funny to watch his reaction to it over time, I think someone asks him about it in an interview around the ITP days, and he's like, "It's not really a big deal."

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Does anybody know if Chuck ever made good with them after that? Chuck seemed like a pretty forgiving guy after a period of time has elapsed; he made good with Eric Greif after they had their spat.
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Subrick wrote:
Does anybody know if Chuck ever made good with them after that? Chuck seemed like a pretty forgiving guy after a period of time has elapsed; he made good with Eric Greif after they had their spat.


He probably did. All of those guys are extremely positive towards Chuck these days, even James Murphy. I once read an interview with Chuck (around the "Human"-era) where he basically said that he hated "every ex-Death member except for Chris Reifert", but Rick Rozz has stated that he reconnected with Chuck several years before his death. Really, the only negative thing I have ever read about him was a Kam Lee interview from before Chuck's death (where he stated Rick Rozz left Death because he was "too fat" and that Chuck was only interested in hitting on girls).

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I remember I was SUPPOSED to see Death in San Francisco in the spring of 1989, they were scheduled to play with Dark Angel, Horde of Torment/(aka Las Vegas Pestilence,) and Sadus. Right when the show started we found out Death had cancelled, and they had essentially broke up- so the promoter got Autopsy to open the show (at the last minute) and Dark Angel ended up headlining instead. It was, I believe, one of the first times Autopsy had ever played live, and they clearly were inexperienced. But I never heard about the remaining members touring without Chuck; that would have been strange. Death- with all new members, did tour about 18 mos. later with Carcass and I forget who else; maybe it WAS the European Pestilence (actually think it was now that I think about it.)

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true_death wrote:
All of those guys are extremely positive towards Chuck these days


Given that the dude is dead, that's not really surprising.
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