For some reason, upon seeing this I just had a vision of what the atmosphere would be like at one of their concerts, during the "performance" of one such song. It would probably make a Blackguard show and their fans look good.

I just looked into this band today to see what was so bad about them...wow. Not as bad as that Sonic Syndicate nonsense, but how can anyone listen to this trash? Maybe I've been spoiled by Bal-Sagoth's keyboards, but fuck that's annoying.

Wait till you see them live (they, quite literally, always tour); what a shitty sight to behold.

Not so bad still, but it would be better with less screaming.

I'm gonna just go and assume that you haven't heard Sonic Syndicate's fourth album (perhaps the biggest abomination in metal-history) and only know of their first two or three albums....

That said, what's wrong with the old Sonic Syndicate? Sure their songstructure is incredibly basic and the riffing is really easy, but it's all about the composition. And Sonic Syndicate has a great composer.
definitely the best mainstream metal band out there imo.
That was until their fourth album when their second guitarist and new clean singer started writing the songs instead...

And as for Blackguard, I don't see why everyone's hating on them either. Sure those flute-samples were kinda annoying, but overall, they're not THAT bad. I've heard plenty of metal-bands that suck way harder.

I've only heard their last one and snippets from the others. That said, I never said anything about the technicality. Just can't stand what I've heard. Generic and boring.

For my part, I like these flute samples, the voice is the only bad thing.

Blackguard is fucking generic beyond belief. It's like they took Ensiferum, dumbed-down their music to the level of gangsta rap, added some metalcore parts, and went on with that. Folkcore at its very worst.

Did I just hear someone say Sonic Syndicate is the best mainstram metal band?

Well they were. They're not anymore. Soon it will probably be The Unguided. Unless you have someone better to suggest.

Best mainstream in the heavier class would probably be either Equilibrium or Destroy Destroy Destroy or someone like that.
I prefer DDD.



really? I think the vocals are okay. Sure they're nothing amazing, but they're not all that bad either.
Certainly not as horrible as the vocals in Silent Descent



You do know that to call something "---core" there must be some core elements in the music, right?
You can't just throw the core tag at anything you don't like...

I can think of quite a few better mainstream bands, depending on what you definition of "mainstream" is. Since there's no way to exclude bands like Rush, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and Megadeth from the mainstream if one's to include Sonic Syndicate, SS automatically lose.




I know that very well. If I call Blackguard folkcore, it's because they mix the metalcore sound with a retarded form of folk metal.

It may as well be true, since nobody rightly considers Iron Maiden or Judas Priest "mainstream" bands due to them keeping it real (and keeping it true).

Got a new one!

Timeless Miracle:
2000-2004 - Several demos. I wish I could find them.
2004/2005 - Released debut album. It kicked ass.
2006-Present - Band has fallen into a time warp from which there is no return, apparently.

Salazar said if he didn't come back by 20 years then they could go ahead on a second album. The drummer currently there is just a placeholder in case anyone asks.

I really wouldn't concider those bands mainstream.
Classic bands does not count as mainstream.

And also, I was talking about mainstream metal with harsh vocals.



To be frank, that's completely irrelevant.
Just because a band is mainstream sounding, doesn't automaticly make them a sellout band.



Well then would you be so kind as to point out the core influences for me?
Because I can't hear them.

I love Death's evolution. Chuck is a brilliant writer who constantly improved his guitar skills album-to-album and he really kept fresh and original. In my opinion Death had no stale albums (that includes the one Control Denied album). I can't say the same for any other band really, besides Alice in Chains, but Alice in Chains does not have as many albums as Death does.

hahaha yea, I've been dying for another release, as well.

Your efforts to misunderstand my point are impressive. What I'm saying is that nobody considers IM and JP to be "mainstream" bands because they never sold out. The fact that their fanbase has swelled to an incredible number making them some of the biggest bands in the world only makes their failure to sell out more impressive, and thus makes calling them "mainstream" unfairly derisive.

I responded to a different aspect of your comment. You say that if a band sounds mainstream, they've sold out.
I say that's not the case.

That is exactly what I did not say. I'll toss this up to english being a second language for you.

Ok, harsh vocals. Dark Tranquillity, Arch Enemy, Amon Amarth, Insomnium, Children of Bodom (who aren't necessarily that good, but still beat SS), Scar Symmetry, Hypocrisy; all these bands rip Sonic Syndicate to shreds in terms of quality.



Just listen to one of their damn songs. The musical similarity with modern metalcore bands is astounding, the simplicity is identical and the vocals are almost an imitation. There might be no breakdowns, but that doesn't stop someone from being inspired by metalcore.

im going to see w.a.s.p on sunday cant wait you ever seen them

I saw them last summer at the Tuska festival and I'm seeing them again on december 9th...what a fucking awesome band

I'm fucking jealous right now. I'd give a lot to see W.A.S.P. live. I guess Accept in spring is a pretty good alternative while waiting for W.A.S.P.

So how were they?

A bit more detail, perhaps?

Though I haven't listened to all their albums, I'll give Accept a rough try (it'll be incomplete).

Based on my experience with them, especially the sophomore album I'm a Rebel, Accept seem to have begun as a kind of hard rock before becoming the metal legends we know (Balls to the Wall, Metal Heart, Russian Roulette), while gaining a more epic and perhaps progressive side with each subsequent album in this field.

Apart from those four, my only Accept album is Blood of the Nations, and it has a much more modern sound than its distant predecessors (which is to be expected). However, the Accept sound is still there, especially with new classics such as The Abyss and Time Machine. Still, even those are quite different from the old Accept. The album itself is good overall, though it doesn't hold a candle to the band's mid-80s masterpieces.

Perhaps others with better knowledge of the band's discography can shed more light on their general evolution as a band.