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MaDTransilvanian
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 12:38 am 
 

OzzyApu wrote:
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The topping of the shitcake (a.k.a.) Turn It Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izwgb841-6I


A sad, sad turn for my very favorite band.
Here's hoping that Roger and Richard writes all the songs for their next album and that they don't remain as they are now...


I'm usually not one to really be against experimentation and modern-sounding metal, but fuck. This is dance music, crunk and metalcore all mixed together. Except for the crunk, mixing metalcore/modern melodic death metal with electronica could be cool even in commercially-directed situations, but this is really gay. This is basically emo music with more aggression and it's pretty awful, and those fucking lame rapcore-like sections.


Whoa! Excuse me while I go puke all over the place.

Ok I promise I'll get a band's legacy down sometime before this thread turns to ashes, but I had to check this out, and wow.

That's atrociously bad, and bad as in really, really a crock of shit.


For some reason, upon seeing this I just had a vision of what the atmosphere would be like at one of their concerts, during the "performance" of one such song. It would probably make a Blackguard show and their fans look good.
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LordofLiege
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:25 am 
 

MaDTransilvanian wrote:
Blackguard


I just looked into this band today to see what was so bad about them...wow. Not as bad as that Sonic Syndicate nonsense, but how can anyone listen to this trash? Maybe I've been spoiled by Bal-Sagoth's keyboards, but fuck that's annoying.

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OzzyApu
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:28 am 
 

LordofLiege wrote:
MaDTransilvanian wrote:
Blackguard


I just looked into this band today to see what was so bad about them...wow. Not as bad as that Sonic Syndicate nonsense, but how can anyone listen to this trash? Maybe I've been spoiled by Bal-Sagoth's keyboards, but fuck that's annoying.

Wait till you see them live (they, quite literally, always tour); what a shitty sight to behold.
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Erisgaroth
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:20 am 
 

Not so bad still, but it would be better with less screaming.

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WolfieboyMachi
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:52 pm 
 

LordofLiege wrote:
MaDTransilvanian wrote:
Blackguard


I just looked into this band today to see what was so bad about them...wow. Not as bad as that Sonic Syndicate nonsense, but how can anyone listen to this trash? Maybe I've been spoiled by Bal-Sagoth's keyboards, but fuck that's annoying.


I'm gonna just go and assume that you haven't heard Sonic Syndicate's fourth album (perhaps the biggest abomination in metal-history) and only know of their first two or three albums....

That said, what's wrong with the old Sonic Syndicate? Sure their songstructure is incredibly basic and the riffing is really easy, but it's all about the composition. And Sonic Syndicate has a great composer.
definitely the best mainstream metal band out there imo.
That was until their fourth album when their second guitarist and new clean singer started writing the songs instead...

And as for Blackguard, I don't see why everyone's hating on them either. Sure those flute-samples were kinda annoying, but overall, they're not THAT bad. I've heard plenty of metal-bands that suck way harder.

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LordofLiege
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:55 pm 
 

WolfieboyMachi wrote:

I'm gonna just go and assume that you haven't heard Sonic Syndicate's fourth album (perhaps the biggest abomination in metal-history) and only know of their first two or three albums....

That said, what's wrong with the old Sonic Syndicate? Sure their songstructure is incredibly basic and the riffing is really easy, but it's all about the composition. And Sonic Syndicate has a great composer.
definitely the best mainstream metal band out there imo.
That was until their fourth album when their second guitarist and new clean singer started writing the songs instead...


I've only heard their last one and snippets from the others. That said, I never said anything about the technicality. Just can't stand what I've heard. Generic and boring.

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Erisgaroth
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:56 am 
 

WolfieboyMachi wrote:
LordofLiege wrote:
MaDTransilvanian wrote:
Blackguard


I just looked into this band today to see what was so bad about them...wow. Not as bad as that Sonic Syndicate nonsense, but how can anyone listen to this trash? Maybe I've been spoiled by Bal-Sagoth's keyboards, but fuck that's annoying.


I'm gonna just go and assume that you haven't heard Sonic Syndicate's fourth album (perhaps the biggest abomination in metal-history) and only know of their first two or three albums....

That said, what's wrong with the old Sonic Syndicate? Sure their songstructure is incredibly basic and the riffing is really easy, but it's all about the composition. And Sonic Syndicate has a great composer.
definitely the best mainstream metal band out there imo.
That was until their fourth album when their second guitarist and new clean singer started writing the songs instead...

And as for Blackguard, I don't see why everyone's hating on them either. Sure those flute-samples were kinda annoying, but overall, they're not THAT bad. I've heard plenty of metal-bands that suck way harder.


For my part, I like these flute samples, the voice is the only bad thing.

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MaDTransilvanian
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:06 am 
 

Blackguard is fucking generic beyond belief. It's like they took Ensiferum, dumbed-down their music to the level of gangsta rap, added some metalcore parts, and went on with that. Folkcore at its very worst.
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Razakel
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:12 am 
 

Did I just hear someone say Sonic Syndicate is the best mainstram metal band?

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WolfieboyMachi
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:18 am 
 

Razakel wrote:
Did I just hear someone say Sonic Syndicate is the best mainstram metal band?

Well they were. They're not anymore. Soon it will probably be The Unguided. Unless you have someone better to suggest.

Best mainstream in the heavier class would probably be either Equilibrium or Destroy Destroy Destroy or someone like that.
I prefer DDD.

Erisgaroth wrote:
For my part, I like these flute samples, the voice is the only bad thing.


really? I think the vocals are okay. Sure they're nothing amazing, but they're not all that bad either.
Certainly not as horrible as the vocals in Silent Descent

MaDTransilvanian wrote:
Blackguard is fucking generic beyond belief. It's like they took Ensiferum, dumbed-down their music to the level of gangsta rap, added some metalcore parts, and went on with that. Folkcore at its very worst.


You do know that to call something "---core" there must be some core elements in the music, right?
You can't just throw the core tag at anything you don't like...

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MaDTransilvanian
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:38 pm 
 

WolfieboyMachi wrote:
Razakel wrote:
Did I just hear someone say Sonic Syndicate is the best mainstram metal band?

Well they were. They're not anymore. Soon it will probably be The Unguided. Unless you have someone better to suggest.


I can think of quite a few better mainstream bands, depending on what you definition of "mainstream" is. Since there's no way to exclude bands like Rush, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and Megadeth from the mainstream if one's to include Sonic Syndicate, SS automatically lose.


WolfieboyMachi wrote:
You do know that to call something "---core" there must be some core elements in the music, right?
You can't just throw the core tag at anything you don't like...


I know that very well. If I call Blackguard folkcore, it's because they mix the metalcore sound with a retarded form of folk metal.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:50 pm 
 

Razakel wrote:
Did I just hear someone say Sonic Syndicate is the best mainstram metal band?


It may as well be true, since nobody rightly considers Iron Maiden or Judas Priest "mainstream" bands due to them keeping it real (and keeping it true).
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Zelkiiro
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:24 pm 
 

Got a new one!

Timeless Miracle:
2000-2004 - Several demos. I wish I could find them.
2004/2005 - Released debut album. It kicked ass.
2006-Present - Band has fallen into a time warp from which there is no return, apparently.
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OzzyApu
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:38 pm 
 

Zelkiiro wrote:
2006-Present - Band has fallen into a time warp from which there is no return, apparently.

Salazar said if he didn't come back by 20 years then they could go ahead on a second album. The drummer currently there is just a placeholder in case anyone asks.
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WolfieboyMachi
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:38 pm 
 

MaDTransilvanian wrote:
I can think of quite a few better mainstream bands, depending on what you definition of "mainstream" is. Since there's no way to exclude bands like Rush, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and Megadeth from the mainstream if one's to include Sonic Syndicate, SS automatically lose.


I really wouldn't concider those bands mainstream.
Classic bands does not count as mainstream.

And also, I was talking about mainstream metal with harsh vocals.

John_Sunlight wrote:
Razakel wrote:
Did I just hear someone say Sonic Syndicate is the best mainstram metal band?


It may as well be true, since nobody rightly considers Iron Maiden or Judas Priest "mainstream" bands due to them keeping it real (and keeping it true).


To be frank, that's completely irrelevant.
Just because a band is mainstream sounding, doesn't automaticly make them a sellout band.

MaDTransilvanian wrote:
I know that very well. If I call Blackguard folkcore, it's because they mix the metalcore sound with a retarded form of folk metal.


Well then would you be so kind as to point out the core influences for me?
Because I can't hear them.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:47 pm 
 

I love Death's evolution. Chuck is a brilliant writer who constantly improved his guitar skills album-to-album and he really kept fresh and original. In my opinion Death had no stale albums (that includes the one Control Denied album). I can't say the same for any other band really, besides Alice in Chains, but Alice in Chains does not have as many albums as Death does.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:58 am 
 

Zelkiiro wrote:
2006-Present - Band has fallen into a time warp from which there is no return, apparently.
hahaha yea, I've been dying for another release, as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:34 am 
 

WolfieboyMachi wrote:
John_Sunlight wrote:
It may as well be true, since nobody rightly considers Iron Maiden or Judas Priest "mainstream" bands due to them keeping it real (and keeping it true).


To be frank, that's completely irrelevant.
Just because a band is mainstream sounding, doesn't automaticly make them a sellout band.


Your efforts to misunderstand my point are impressive. What I'm saying is that nobody considers IM and JP to be "mainstream" bands because they never sold out. The fact that their fanbase has swelled to an incredible number making them some of the biggest bands in the world only makes their failure to sell out more impressive, and thus makes calling them "mainstream" unfairly derisive.
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WolfieboyMachi
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:55 am 
 

John_Sunlight wrote:
WolfieboyMachi wrote:
John_Sunlight wrote:
It may as well be true, since nobody rightly considers Iron Maiden or Judas Priest "mainstream" bands due to them keeping it real (and keeping it true).


To be frank, that's completely irrelevant.
Just because a band is mainstream sounding, doesn't automaticly make them a sellout band.


Your efforts to misunderstand my point are impressive. What I'm saying is that nobody considers IM and JP to be "mainstream" bands because they never sold out. The fact that their fanbase has swelled to an incredible number making them some of the biggest bands in the world only makes their failure to sell out more impressive, and thus makes calling them "mainstream" unfairly derisive.


I responded to a different aspect of your comment. You say that if a band sounds mainstream, they've sold out.
I say that's not the case.

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John_Sunlight
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:41 pm 
 

That is exactly what I did not say. I'll toss this up to english being a second language for you.
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MaDTransilvanian
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:04 pm 
 

WolfieboyMachi wrote:
I really wouldn't concider those bands mainstream.
Classic bands does not count as mainstream.

And also, I was talking about mainstream metal with harsh vocals.


Ok, harsh vocals. Dark Tranquillity, Arch Enemy, Amon Amarth, Insomnium, Children of Bodom (who aren't necessarily that good, but still beat SS), Scar Symmetry, Hypocrisy; all these bands rip Sonic Syndicate to shreds in terms of quality.

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I know that very well. If I call Blackguard folkcore, it's because they mix the metalcore sound with a retarded form of folk metal.


Well then would you be so kind as to point out the core influences for me?
Because I can't hear them.


Just listen to one of their damn songs. The musical similarity with modern metalcore bands is astounding, the simplicity is identical and the vocals are almost an imitation. There might be no breakdowns, but that doesn't stop someone from being inspired by metalcore.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:11 am 
 

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W.A.S.P.:

1) Glam metal era (1982-c.1988)

This lasted for the first three albums, with simple catchyness and lyrics about debauchery and sex.

2) Heavy metal era (c.1989-c.1996)

This lasted for the next three albums, with heavier and more progressive songwriting but also some softer and more emotional ballads. They started focusing on serious subject matter

3) Experimental era (c.1997-c.2000)

The next two albums were respectively industrial metal and AC/DC-esque hard rocking music that was unusual for W.A.S.P. Respectively, the lyrics were about hatred and partying, the former being totally unusual while the latter not dealt with since the glam era.

4) 2nd Heavy metal era (c.2001-present)

All albums since then have been following a similar formula to #2.


im going to see w.a.s.p on sunday cant wait you ever seen them

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:03 am 
 

I saw them last summer at the Tuska festival and I'm seeing them again on december 9th...what a fucking awesome band

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MaDTransilvanian
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:50 am 
 

usernamepassword wrote:
I saw them last summer at the Tuska festival and I'm seeing them again on december 9th...what a fucking awesome band


I'm fucking jealous right now. I'd give a lot to see W.A.S.P. live. I guess Accept in spring is a pretty good alternative while waiting for W.A.S.P. :D
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:39 am 
 

whiplashftw wrote:
im going to see w.a.s.p on sunday cant wait you ever seen them


So how were they?
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MaDTransilvanian
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:11 am 
 

Zelkiiro wrote:
Got a new one!

Timeless Miracle:
2000-2004 - Several demos. I wish I could find them.
2004/2005 - Released debut album. It kicked ass.
2006-Present - Band has fallen into a time warp from which there is no return, apparently.


A bit more detail, perhaps?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:08 pm 
 

Though I haven't listened to all their albums, I'll give Accept a rough try (it'll be incomplete).

Based on my experience with them, especially the sophomore album I'm a Rebel, Accept seem to have begun as a kind of hard rock before becoming the metal legends we know (Balls to the Wall, Metal Heart, Russian Roulette), while gaining a more epic and perhaps progressive side with each subsequent album in this field.

Apart from those four, my only Accept album is Blood of the Nations, and it has a much more modern sound than its distant predecessors (which is to be expected). However, the Accept sound is still there, especially with new classics such as The Abyss and Time Machine. Still, even those are quite different from the old Accept. The album itself is good overall, though it doesn't hold a candle to the band's mid-80s masterpieces.

Perhaps others with better knowledge of the band's discography can shed more light on their general evolution as a band.
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