oh shit look at that, again.....NEARLY, I love it. Machida almost knocked out shogun, ALMOST. GSP almost submitted Dan Hardy...ALMOST. Sakuraba almost knocked out Arona....ALMOST.Oh I almost forgot, Cro Cop almost put up a fight against Gonzaga ALMOST.

Whats your point?

Do you think it is best to consider wins 5-6 years ago when assessing his status as the best HW currently? What I mean is, if you magically transport a top HW contender currently in Alistair Overeem to fight the Nog at Pride Shockwave 2004 or Filipovic at Pride Final Conflict 2005, wouldn't he demolish both of them just as good as Fedor or worse? Because fighters have gotten better than the Cro Cop, Nog and Herring from Pride.

But technically you're right, amongst the HWs today, he may have the 'best' recent winning streak but that doesn't say a lot considering all of the HW contenders including Fedor, have less-than-amazing wins or streaks under their belts recently. As such I believe no HW has earned or proved the title to be theirs as opposed to say.. GSP who has in recent times arguably cleared out his division and looked near unbeatable doing it. Fedor Emelianenko has not fought all the best fighters in his division and there exist several HW contenders with a good, no, great chance to defeat him; maybe you can accuse me of setting to high a standard for acquiring status of #1 in the world currently but I view his case to the throne as being inadequate.

Duke you make good points, and if I'm reading it right, when you say his throne, your talking about HW throne? and not p4p? In which case, I would simply like to know, if not Fedor on the HW throne for the last years, than who?

Edit: IMO you have the best name on these forums. I should change mine to Frank Herbert! or maybe just Muad'Dib

If you are unable to read and comprehend the information I'm not obligated to do any more than point and laugh at you for thinking you're anything but very very dumb.

Peace.


Oh hey check it out more wildly errant extrapolations of shit I haven't really said at all.

Fighters regress eventually the same as they can progress over the years. I'm not one to say Crocop vs Overeem would have played out differently in 2004 given Overeem in the condition he is today; that kind of temporal comparison is something I don't weigh in my opinions of fighters. You never know if they really are getting too old, or if the guy they fought simply had them figured out, etc. and it deals with "potential" too much for my tastes.

Dislike his personality as much as I do, I'll admit Lesnar has the potential to be HW GOAT, but he still hasn't proven himself and I'd like to see a couple more fights against top guys before I'd consider him the current #1. That same concept is what prevents me from saying any other HW has stolen the #1 spot from Fedor.

Consider this, Fedor comes back and demolishes Werdum in the rematch, is he #1 again? Has anyone else accomplished more, even in recent memory despite that loss?

yup, same thing again, no real response besides insults, thanks for the win

Not going to debate arguments you've imagined, sorry. Come up with something real and I'll gladly stomp you out.

Remember how I chided you multiple times for being unable to comprehend anything I've said? That hasn't changed at all.

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I'm pretty sure they weren't imagined, but okay. I brought up many points that I've yet to see a response to, and I'm obviously not going to get one. So in the end, like I said, you were reduced to insults and random assumptions, like me using fight finder etc.

Ill just carry on my way and note to myself that if I see more random MMA nonsense from you, that you have an extremely flawed logic about fighting, and when questioned on said logic you are incapable of defending yourself.



PS: If/when Fedor fights Overeem, he will likely defeat him.....BUT Overeem might ALMOST tap him out, so in the end Fedor will still suck, win or not.

Because, for the umpteenth time, they hadn't a thing do with anything I've said. You imagined them.

Here's a shining beacon of the jackassery I'm talking about. Have I ever at any point said Fedor sucks? Have I ever steered my criticisms in that direction? If you could understand the words you see (evidently you do not), the answer would clearly be no. So pack up your imaginary points, flush the two brain cells at your disposal with the rest of your rubbish, and shut the hell up.

If his resume is worthless, and great fighters don't do what's listed here....what exactly are you trying to say he is? Also I believe you said "suck" here at the end of this quote, its unedited. Though I guess it is possible you weren't referring to Fedor, even though this entire quote is in regards to him.

Wow, I don't envy Dana's role of having to sell Lesnar as the #1 heavyweight still.

I mean, you can't look much worse in a winning effort unless you're Chris Leben.

See.

Look at this.

Look at how terrible you are at reading basic fucking English.

If you two want to continue bickering, take it to private message.

When taking punches, run and then assume the fetal position. Luckily for Lesnar that Carwin can't go one round before gassing completely. These are suppose to be the top heavyweights?

Looks like the only things to save Lesnar's ass were his ability to take a beating and Carwin's lack of cardio. Now I'm convinced that if he faced a guy like Overeem, Lesnar would get fucking demolished.

Seeing that last night, there is not a doubt in my mind that both Fedor and Reem could at least beat Carwin and likely Lesnar as well.

The only true asset Fedor has is his top game (minus his sketchy at best submission prowess). I'd love to hear how you envision either of them being underneath him. And in truth, their striking isn't really that much worse than his is, so.

A_b, you must be awfully new to this whole fighting thing if you don't realize that HW is the shallowest division and always has been. Probably always will be, the athletes that good and that large are all playing more lucrative sports.

His striking is far, far better. Carwin and Lesnar were standing right in front of each other the same way Sylvia was standing in front of Fedor, barely any head movement, just begging to be hit. Fedor punches are far faster than either of those guys, and he could avoid any counters that they throw.

Does anyone have Dream 15 vids?

Ok folks- Sonnen or Silva?

Personally, I want Sonnen to upset Silva just because of Andersons descent into retardation over the last year and a half, though I'm not too sure that'll happen. Nevertheless, one can hope - thoughts from the rest of you?

Sonnen's seriously struttin his big boy pants lately to hype up this fight....should be interesting.

Oh, and as for Fedor losing: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That is all. I was hoping like hell for Brock to follow suit with Carwin whoopin that ass in the first, but alas it was not meant to be. Unfortunately, I think we'll be seeing Cock Chestnar at the top of the HW division for a while, being the albino ape that he is.

Well, Jonny went through The Janitor like expected. And a fantastic KO on Gomi's part. Good event.

About the Silva Sonnen fight. It really doesn't matter. But the way Sonnen's been running his mouth, trying to squeeze everything out of his 15 minutes, I'd like to see him lose. Either way, an interesting and entertaining fight is what I'm hoping for.

117 was one of the best events in recent memory, maybe years.

Silva's striking actually looked sloppy relative to his normal, and I was amazed to see him get stumbled in the first round. The Vitor fight looks a lot more interesting now.

I'm glad Fitch is getting a title shot again too, the clinic GSP put on last time was a sight to behold.

He was getting desperate. The fight with Vitor is definitely appealing (though it always has been for me). I'd still probably pick Silva, but if Belfort can really mix up strikes and takedowns and takes the fight to Silva he could definitely win.

A little off topic but, the people saying that if Sonnen could out-strike him (which he did in that first round) then Vitor could are retarded. Silva was clearly letting his hands drop because he was afraid of the takedown. Just needed to dis-spell that ridiculous non-sequitur.

But, yeah, great card. I went 5 for 5 picking the main card too.

Is the boxing/martial arts sport still even real? Every time I see something like this I see people acting a fight and that's it... Here in town (Thailand) there are also fights all the time and it's sooooo fake...

I understand nobody wants to get his brains bashed in and with all those steroids (damn man you have no idea what money can buy in the medical sector nowadays... You don't even want to know...) around I kinda understand it all. Let's just continue fighting sport by acting but it's lame.

My knowledge of MMA is far from extensive, but I just like watching Lesnar claim and retain the HW title purely because of the flak that "pure" MMA fans are giving him because of his career in the WWE, which I happen to enjoy very much til a couple of years ago. UFC 100 was really satisfying to watch, seeing a "fake wrestler" pull the horseshoe out of Mir's ass.

I just think this whole world is fake and gone to hell. Steroids were invented in 1930 and since 1950 all the top athletes were using the stuff legally and that's a well known fact. That's 60 years ago... We landed on the moon in the meanwhile and my pharmacy around the corner sells about 30 different steroids.

Conclusion: all the world records are fake and humans didn't get 2 seconds faster on the 100m in 1 generation, really... The meat they eat didn't miraculously change.

There's no more true sport, no more real football, no more real athletics and no more real fighting sports, it's all a hoax. Fuck this world.

It's not even possible to get that muscular in a natural way as our heavy weights or turn boys are nowadays...

You're a fucking retard.

Read up on history. All the records have been kept and both americans, germans and russians have all admitted they had steroid programs for their athletes through the 50s, 60s and 70s. You really think our athletes are beating 30 years of admitted steroid use?

Sure.

Steroid scandals on the tele in 2010... It's all bullshit dude, nothing but entertainment and Mr. Schwarzenegger for president.

yeah man fuck this phony world. its all smoke and mirrors man.

What does this have to do with mma?

Hoho, 117 was so good for me.

Nelson put on a good showing, but JDS got the win. Now JDS will go on to face Lesnar, I don't think Cain has the right tools to put Lesnar away. Hopefully we can get Nelson vs Carwin, I think Nelson takes that if he can survive round 1.

Wanted Struve, Guida and Fitch to win, and they all did.

I would have liked Sonnen to put Silva away, I didn't expect it though, but I got 4 1/2 rounds of Silva getting dominated, and that was pretty good.

Nothing in particular of course. Just ranting about my frustration about all those fake muay thai fights here. Idiot whites acting all psychopath at the public and silent picture horny thais going easy on each other... But worse the morons cheering on the side...

Just shut the fuck up man. Seriously.

We had a recent post here from one of the Moderators that things were going to change on this forum and we would behave like adults. I have never said anything like this here myself but got this kind of crap a bit too often.

Could you please just tell me why or what and write a little about your view on doping in modern sports instead of throwing some easy insults like always to get rid of the discussion.

Really this is stupid but it is allowed all the time.

Next time you could try something like: "I disagree because several deaths have occurred in the sport so it is real" for example and someone might take you seriously.

PS: so did wrestlers

Back in the days I used to take XTC, sometimes we had these pills called Triple X and when I took enough of that shit I was able to move my body 3 times as fast as I'm able to do normally without getting tired and I gained abnormal control over my body. I could move every bone in my fingers seperatly for example. Ultra weird and total control.

This is just a common street drug, the combination of pro industry drugs with their steroids creates abnormally fast, controlled and strong killing machines and there's no more testing on it in this world so what are we gonna do? Drop all the records and start over? Or maybe just allow the abuse and let them kill eachother in the ring.

It's nice I can have an opinion around here or maybe just post the smile on every subject:

1. No one cares about your gay shit.

2. That's not even close to what this thread is about.

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Does anybody catch MMA organization events other than the UFC? The Strikeforce Houston card was awesome. Can't wait for Kj Noons vs Diaz.

Strikeforce whenever I can, Dream whenever I can, and always WEC. Managed to find a good stream for Shark fights Saturday.

Yep I stayed up for that one too. But it was really disapointing to see such lackluster fights. Except for Houston Alexander and Soukju one. After the Koscheck Daley fight, they've figured Daley out. If it wasn't for the barrage towards the end, there was no way he'd get the nod. The only highlight was Don Fry's over the top commentary.

I wouldn't enjoy his prison-sex and mule's ass references when I'm in a serious mood for mma, but for this ppv, it was refreshing.