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Viral
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:37 am 
 

droneriot wrote:
I'll ask for the millionth time, even though I know I'll never receive an answer: Why is Jesu on the Metal Archives?

They're one of those owner-selected bands that were added here arbitrarily.
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The biggest influence of Swedish Death Metal is In Flames.

That's not right. That's not even wrong. It's so fundamentally inaccurate that I think it may well be incorrectable.

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PiotrB
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:23 pm 
 

Abiotic
Submitted by misanthropians on April 27th, 2005.
http://www.metal-archives.com/editband.php?id=35165
Do you know something about their releases?
If not I will delete them...

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Drowned
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:13 am 
 

I've removed the following bands:
Nattestid - no releases
We Are Building Ruins - no physical release yet


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Sleazer777
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:42 am 
 

this motherfuckingcocksucking Ambient(for KIDS) is not sideproject nor any kind of exception :

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=18858

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droneriot
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:02 am 
 

It's been brought up many times in this thread, but nothing is said or done about it. Fact is, it definitely cannot be a side-project since its first releases are earlier than any metal releases the guy partook in.
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Sleazer777
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:51 am 
 

Also THIS Brasilian Prog/Kraut/Whatever Rock band.In this case I downloaded all albums of ALPHA III and there's no sign of Metal there(Except some Rush like guitars in some places).This band should be deleted right now.No importance for Heavy Metal Music history or another sideproject rule.

http://www.myspace.com/amyrcantusiojr

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caspian
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:10 pm 
 

Viral wrote:
droneriot wrote:
I'll ask for the millionth time, even though I know I'll never receive an answer: Why is Jesu on the Metal Archives?

They're one of those owner-selected bands that were added here arbitrarily.


Heartache/first full length, particularly the full length.
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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:20 pm 
 

I submitted Alpha III after a review on a big Brazilian metal magazine, describing it as symphonic power metal. But I'm more inclined to believe in your judgement. Deleted.

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etyb
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:16 am 
 

Where'd Scale the Summit go?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:26 am 
 

etyb wrote:
Where'd Scale the Summit go?

Probably deleted for being predominantly -core.

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Snowgrave
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:04 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
etyb wrote:
Where'd Scale the Summit go?

Probably deleted for being predominantly -core.

:lol: :lol: Are you serious? They play completely instrumental progressive metal. Listen to the samples. They were discarded way too quickly after someone peeped about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb0sDPt8q2Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04j5GqHPKPc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-dR0v7ia0E

These aren't metal?

Edit: :( Oh well.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:10 am 
 

http://www.myspace.com/scalethesummit

Anyway, they were rightfully rejected- a mixture of alternative rock and progressive rock, not really metal.

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ksevile
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:48 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=37751

The additional notes state that this is a side project yet there is no worldwide distribution. However, I can't find any real information anywhere else on the web to neither affirm or deny this claim.
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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:01 pm 
 

ksevile wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=37751

The additional notes state that this is a side project yet there is no worldwide distribution. However, I can't find any real information anywhere else on the web to neither affirm or deny this claim.

And? The band is metal, so it shouldn't matter.

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dust666
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:10 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540283787
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=2209

Shouldn't these two pages be merged? The name change is really minor.

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droneriot
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:45 pm 
 

Was any proof for a physical release of the Fröstskög demo(s) ever provided? The covers are purely computer generated, and the bit about being limited to 7 copies doesn't lend to its credibility...

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=32936
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ksevile
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:04 pm 
 

Fulgurius wrote:
ksevile wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=37751

The additional notes state that this is a side project yet there is no worldwide distribution. However, I can't find any real information anywhere else on the web to neither affirm or deny this claim.

And? The band is metal, so it shouldn't matter.

Sorry, I forgot about that. Thanks for the explanation.
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ewenica
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:15 pm 
 

skromt wrote:
I'd just like to say that this band (http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=29851 ) violates the terms when it comes to releases. It only existed for a short while and never recorded anything but the listed demo. However, the demo in question was never released. Actually- the original copy was thrown away. My source is former my own former membership.
I use this place daily and I get sick and tired of all these crappy bedroom bands violating the terms and making this whole site untidy in the process, and I don't want this crap to be part of the cancer.


If it should be about Crua - I guess so - it is not us but fans who try to make a profile of our band here repeatedly. We decided to make an "electronical release" instead of "physical release" what is in the era of internet quite ok I suppose (but electronical encyclopedy does not agree, suprisingly). This band is very young but already very popular in Czech republic - that is why you will solve this "problem" again and again. What I know, many our fans try to search us here and wonder that they can not find us. From our side - we have no problem with following your "rules". ...I personally would like to let all our future cds release only electronically for facing you this question more effectively. But unfortunately we are going to release a "normal" cd according your rules ...in one year. Until this time you will delete us still many times ....I am sorry for our prankful fans, they are unfortunately already little too much in case of this crappy bedroom band (and a little bit worldwide) and it is going to be worse and worse.

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ewenica
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:20 pm 
 

skromt wrote:
I'd just like to say that this band (http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=29851 ) violates the terms when it comes to releases. It only existed for a short while and never recorded anything but the listed demo. However, the demo in question was never released. Actually- the original copy was thrown away. My source is former my own former membership.
I use this place daily and I get sick and tired of all these crappy bedroom bands violating the terms and making this whole site untidy in the process, and I don't want this crap to be part of the cancer.


If it should be about Crua - I guess so - it is not us but fans who are trying to make a profile of our band here repeatedly. We decided to make an "electronical release" instead of "physical release" what is in the era of internet quite ok I suppose (but electronical encyclopedy does not agree, suprisingly). This band is very young but already very popular in Czech republic - that is why you will solve this "problem" again and again. What I know, many our fans try to search us here and wonder that they can not find us. From our side - we have no problem with following your "rules". ...I personally would like to let all our future cds release only electronically for facing you this question more effectively. But unfortunately we are going to release a "normal" cd according your rules ...in one year. Until this time you will delete us still many times ....I am sorry for our prankful fans, they are unfortunately already little too much in case of this new crappy bedroom band (and a little bit worldwide) and it is going to be worse and worse.

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Drowned
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:06 pm 
 

I've removed the band Broka - hard rock

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Byrain
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:13 am 
 

Why exactly are Autumn Tears and Dark Sanctuary in the archives? Neither are metal or have any clear ties to any older metal bands, but then both are somewhat well known (I would think) and have been here since 2002, meaning they probably have been discussed before. Still the question lingers, why exactly are they allowed on the archives? If you don't want to remove them that's fine, I am just curious why. :)

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ksevile
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:07 am 
 

The former is here because they are a selected exception. See below:

guidelines wrote:
Additionally, there will be some non-metal bands featured on the site that we feel are still part of the metal scene despite not being metal themselves (usually darkwave, ambient, neo-classical and/or folk bands, examples being Mortiis, Elend, Autumn Tears, Stille Volk, etc). These bands are selected by the moderators in an admittedly arbitrary fashion, and their submission by normal users is discouraged. Please bear with us on this.


I don't know about the latter band, but their case is probably similar/the same (side project maybe).
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Byrain
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:29 am 
 

ksevile wrote:
The former is here because they are a selected exception. See below:

guidelines wrote:
Additionally, there will be some non-metal bands featured on the site that we feel are still part of the metal scene despite not being metal themselves (usually darkwave, ambient, neo-classical and/or folk bands, examples being Mortiis, Elend, Autumn Tears, Stille Volk, etc). These bands are selected by the moderators in an admittedly arbitrary fashion, and their submission by normal users is discouraged. Please bear with us on this.


I don't know about the latter band, but their case is probably similar/the same (side project maybe).


Something is telling me I should've reviewed the rules before posting here.... :oh shit:

Thanks though.

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dust666
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:06 am 
 

dust666 wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540283787
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=2209

Shouldn't these two pages be merged? The name change is really minor.

So?

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droneriot
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:23 am 
 

How come Tricky Beans was accepted this time? They've been rejected many times before for not being metal enough. Was some new demo of theirs discovered or was the mod who accepted them just not paying attention?

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540309768

(it's an insignificant name change between Tricky Beans and Tricky Means anyway)
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:32 am 
 

dust666 wrote:
dust666 wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540283787
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=2209

Shouldn't these two pages be merged? The name change is really minor.

So?

Help us please by re-adding the albums on the correct (Perzonal War) page, then it will be merged.

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dust666
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:49 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
dust666 wrote:
dust666 wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540283787
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=2209

Shouldn't these two pages be merged? The name change is really minor.

So?

Help us please by re-adding the albums on the correct (Perzonal War) page, then it will be merged.

Done

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:56 am 
 

Amoeba Transfer Station - no physical releases, deleted.

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Snowgrave
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:01 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Amoeba Transfer Station - no physical releases, deleted.

Are you sure? I'm not arguing, but I remember you saying that they did have physical releases: http://metal-archives.com/board/viewtop ... t=#1549800
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:36 am 
 

Snowgrave wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Amoeba Transfer Station - no physical releases, deleted.

Are you sure? I'm not arguing, but I remember you saying that they did have physical releases: http://metal-archives.com/board/viewtop ... t=#1549800

Yes, it was reported by the band members.


As I see it, I will stop listing deleted bands here and when somebody wants to ask about a certain band, he should use the proper thread.

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destruccion
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:07 am 
 

I already did the formal report through the "report this band" function, but I'm posting it here anyways.
The recently band added:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540309942

Is already in the archives since 2005
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=35829

There's a spelling error in the new entry so that's probably why the band was accepted.

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kimiwind
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:32 pm 
 

Any idea why this band was accepted?
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540309916
Release date according to both the label and band's official myspace is on 9 July. Still few days to go.

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Carter
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:50 pm 
 

Why was Filtheater accepted? According to their Myspace blog, their cd isn't released until July 15th.

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=531063117&blogId=536087956

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Nightgaunt
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:08 pm 
 

I think that guy casually knows at least one of the other mods. I'll see if they have any more detailed information about it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:03 pm 
 

Viral wrote:
droneriot wrote:
I'll ask for the millionth time, even though I know I'll never receive an answer: Why is Jesu on the Metal Archives?

They're one of those owner-selected bands that were added here arbitrarily.

Excuse me? Are you fucking retarded, or just trolling? I never heard of that band, ever, much less ever mentioned them. I asked HellBlazer if he knew the band and he said "the name vaguely rings a bell".

So why in Cthulhu's name would you post something asinine? I can only think of two reasons: extreme stupidity, and outright trolling. Considering it's you, not sure which is more plausible.


You know what, I'm tired of people, often veteran posters who really should know better, post this crap about us constantly. I'm considering making it a bannable offense because it really fucking annoys me.
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Viral
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:10 pm 
 

I didn't mean any offense there, to be honest with you. Why would they be added here then? Jesu is not a side project as it's Justin Broadrick's main band. And in the FAQ it is mentioned that some bands are added here arbitrarily. So given the above criteria, it was only fair to jump to that conclusion. So what is the actual reason for them being here then?

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I can only think of two reasons: extreme stupidity, and outright trolling. Considering it's you, not sure which is more plausible.

Since when have I been known for trolling?
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Sathanas_BM wrote:
The biggest influence of Swedish Death Metal is In Flames.

That's not right. That's not even wrong. It's so fundamentally inaccurate that I think it may well be incorrectable.

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droneriot
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:18 pm 
 

These rumours stem from attempts at understanding or explaining why certain bands which are clearly neither metal nor side-projects seem to deliberately remain untouched despite being reported numorous times, appearing as if the staff was under orders to leave them untouched.

The most infamous example is probably Uruk-Hai (Aut), which, over the course of months or years, has been reported by at least half a dozen users in this thread alone for clearly not being metal (it's even listed as "ambient") and clearly not being side-project of a metal band (it was formed before the person behind it was involved in any metal release), but is so stubbornly ignored that the case is fertile ground for conspiracy theories involving site owner interference.

I can certainly understand how annoying this might be, but as I just tried to explain, it doesn't come from nowhere, and certainly doesn't originate in attempts at trolling. It's merely an attempt at understanding why certain things that clearly violate the site rules seem to be deliberately ignored time and again.

Jesu is just another case among many. It's not metal, it's not a side-project, yet it's been on the site for ages and nobody in the staff seems to take issue with it, and certainly not for lack of knowledge of the band's presence, as it is one of the more popular and spoken-about acts in the forum and reviewer community...
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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:54 pm 
 

Viral wrote:
it was only fair to jump to that conclusion.

There are 74k+ bands on this site. So, no, it's not remotely fair to assume any such thing.

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So what is the actual reason for them being here then?
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Since when have I been known for trolling?

Since I already said I had never heard of the band, how should I know? I guess I got the answer to my other question, though.

droneriot wrote:
The most infamous example is probably Uruk-Hai (Aut),

So (in)famous that I've once again never heard of them either. Go figure.
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you can debate the actual date that metal began, but a fairly agreed upon date is 1969. Metal is almost 25 years old
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Why Iron maiden is there? It's very far to be metal than a lot of some metal band.

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Viral
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:33 pm 
 

Morrigan wrote:
There are 74k+ bands on this site. So, no, it's not remotely fair to assume any such thing.

What does there being 74K+ bands have anything to do with what I said? My post was specifically referring to side projects that don't meet the criteria of the side projects rule.

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I guess I got the answer to my other question, though.

My ass. What I said could hardly be considered trolling. It was a legitimate claim. You're just looking for reasons to antagonize me. You blew a gasket for no reason.
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Sathanas_BM wrote:
The biggest influence of Swedish Death Metal is In Flames.

That's not right. That's not even wrong. It's so fundamentally inaccurate that I think it may well be incorrectable.

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Halloween
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:00 pm 
 

Well, if the notes on this Uruk-Hai release are real, they have a place here:
http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=267708


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