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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:10 am 
 

NOTE: This thread is NOT for asking about whether a certain band is acceptable or not. Initial assessment of bands is what the band queue is for. This thread is for appeals to/questions about rejections/deletions/blacklistings only. Inquiries about "pre-checks" will be ignored. So don't try to cut in line.

This is the thread to appeal your submitted band being rejected or deleted (or for inquiring about blacklisted bands). Please read this post before posting, it will save you a lot of headache.

[ Thread renewed due to the "No posts exist for this topic" bug. Here's the old one for future references: viewtopic.php?t=39064 ]

- Before asking anything here, make sure you read the rules.

- Before asking why a band was deleted, use the search function to see if the reasons of the deletion can be found.

Search for Keywords: Band name
Search for all terms
Forum: Suggestions and complaints
Display results as: Posts

If the search yielded no results, you may ask. POLITELY. Rudeness and insults will not be tolerated.

Before posting, ask yourself these questions:

1) Did you read all the Site Rules?
2) Does your submitted band have a valid album out? (See here for what we define as a valid release.)
3) Is your submitted band's release already out/available as of the date of your posting?
4) Did you provide evidence of the above under the "submission rules" field of the band form?

If you answer YES, go to question #5 below.

If you answer NO to any of the above questions, then you can stop right there, as there are no ways to appeal this. Please only resubmit your band when you have an available physical album, or a valid digital album, and evidence for it.

5) Is your band a non-metal side-project?
If YES, you must also answer YES to the following:
5.a) Is this the side-project of a somewhat notable metal artist with strong significance to the metal community?
5.b) Does this side-project have world-wide distribution?

If the answer is NO to all of the above, then you may post your query here. If you answered "yes" to any of questions 5, you can also post and make a case for the band, but note that it's unlikely to change our minds. (See paragraph 4 below.)



1. Releases

The MA only accepts bands that have a physical release or a valid digital release. For physical releases, that means that the band must either have a CD, a tape, a vinyl, or a release in some other physical format out. Since January 1st, 2013, the site also allows certain digital-only bands. Please be aware that despite all guidelines listed in the rules, the judging of an acceptable digital-only release is fundamentally case-by-case and as such can still depend on the staff's discretion, as these releases are generally more complicated to judge. You can post in this thread and state your case with the necessary evidence and arguments if you disagree with a rejection based on an unacceptable digital release, but if you are again given a "no", don't continue to argue about the details. An initial rejection most often already means that the release was thoroughly reviewed and judged unacceptable. We try to be realistic about what digital release we consider serious and "proper", but are also very careful about adding such bands lest the site becomes flooded with crappy bedroom demo bands.

Also, whatever the valid release, it must have been released by the time of the band's submission. Even if the release comes out tomorrow, the band will not be accepted until then.

2. Metalness

The second requirement is more difficult to assess as accurately as the existence of a physical release, but the staff here mostly knows what is metal and what isn't. Mistakes do happen, and if you are absolutely certain a mistake has been done, show us the band's music and we'll listen. Do not argue the decisions. This thread is a court of appeals, not a shouting match. If you act rudely and/or refuse to accept the decision, you might get banned. And provide samples, otherwise it will not lead to anything.

3. Evidence

If you submit a band, it's your task to provide the mods with evidence. A band's MySpace page or MP3s uploaded somewhere will work well as evidence on the metalness, but the problems usually encountered concern the existence of a physical release. A good quality digital photograph of a CD and a case is a good way to provide evidence (here is an example), as is a distro list distributing it or a mention on a label website. If you opt for the photograph, upload it on an image hosting website (Imgur, TinyPic...) and include the link to the photo in the "Submission notes" of your band form. Reviews on respectable and well-known websites are acceptable, too. However, a crude band website mentioning a demo casually, with no information on the format, no links or email addresses for ordering it, no cover art, or cover art that does not seem convincing (bad photoshops, MS Paint, etc.) are not enough. The required amount of evidence is decided by the moderator, and the evidence must be supplied by the submitter.

4. Side-projects

A side-project is a band started in parallel to another band. It is not the same thing as a band member leaving a band and forming a new one, or to join another band. The MA accepts some side-projects of metal band members, the metal band in question must be on MA. The side-project must be on a label with worldwide distribution. It means that the label must have professional distributors who will supply real-life shops with albums, in other words be a big enough label. It is not the same as worldwide shipping, method used by small online labels.
Finally, the side-project rule is not absolute. Not all bands that fulfil its material requirements will be added, particularly if they are adjudged to have minimal connection to the metal culture. Precedent-setting side-projects, such as Mortiis, were originally decided on this basis alone, before the rule was further codified as a matter of necessity. These further codifications are intended as a band-aid/block to reduce queue clutter (i.e. scads of social-networking-based "ambient" projects with no significant output)--not as a new loophole or primary admission criterion.



Before posting, please think through every point on this list, and try to figure out with your common sense what might be wrong. Also, check the email feedback box under your profile on the database, and you'll get the reasons for rejections via email. The moderator will include a description of the problem. If all this does not help, ask about the band ON THIS THREAD. Do NOT start a new one asking "why didn't you accept Vomit Sodomy?!? they are metal and have The Undead Muessin out next month!! Assholes!". We won't bite, unless you start barking.

Thank you.

© Napero, Nightgaunt, Morrigan

[Edited by Azmodes on January 4th, 2013; reflecting the rule change regarding valid releases]
[Edited by Azmodes on June 16th, 2014; added the bit about pre-checks]


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mfortvivlan
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:29 am 
 

Hello,

To wich email adress do I need to send, scanned pictures or photographs of the album when it is released???
I guess I can't put the pictures on the place of the cover artwork...

Sincerely,

M.Förtvivlan

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kallebanan
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:30 am 
 

To Witcher.

I' am sorry for all the inconvenience.
I must be giving u a hard time.

When I started "spamming" this forum earlier to day I had no idea my release where out for sale. I now draw back my statment that it was "not yet distributed".
Clearly from the new evidence I just found in my quest for getting Kraaker into the archives it IS.

I'll wait a couple of days and see if more proof comes up and try to resubmit.

Btw, it is not a demo, it is a full-length album.

Cheers

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:30 am 
 

Put the links to them to additional notes or flag the band with them.

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kallebanan
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:45 am 
 

Ok.

Thanks

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:50 am 
 

He obviously answered mfortvivlan.

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kallebanan
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:51 am 
 

Ok.

i see

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Ixtaukayotl
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:23 pm 
 

I tryied to upload a band with a link of a pishical release photography; the bans is called That, a side-proyect of ØØpart, my one-man proyect; before reject the proyect again, remember this rule in the metal archives page:

5) Must be a heavy metal band...

We accept the following non-metal bands in certain cases:

* Side-projects of metal band members

And the reason you reject the band is:

Either there is a lack of information, or this band has no apparent discography. Please see rule #7. If this band has indeed released anything and you can show us proof, you can resubmit it again.

But I post the band with this:

http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee36 ... b6c422.jpg

A phisical release proof, made in Black Ambient records, you can see it here

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.c ... D=10746517

The myspace of the label

An Image of the answer of the label

http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee36 ... imagen.jpg

Can you accept it now?


There are lots of phisical releases now, and there are all official with Black Ambient Records

If you dont believe it you can ask to the label's myspace

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:25 pm 
 

Read the rule again, it says that a non-metal side project must be released on a label with worldwide distribution (example:Nuclear Blast).

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EntilZha
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:25 pm 
 

I don't hear any metal in that sound snippet on MySpace.
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Ixtaukayotl
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:28 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Read the rule again, it says that a non-metal side project must be released on a label with worldwide distribution (example:Nuclear Blast).



"must be released on a label with worldwide distribution"

Black Ambient records is... can you check it?

They label bands like dark methamorphosis

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:29 pm 
 

No, they are not. Online ordering is something else than world distribution.

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Ixtaukayotl
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:33 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
No, they are not. Online ordering is something else than world distribution.

Based on what?
the guy of the label is one of my contacts. And the reason of reject is

Either there is a lack of information, or this band has no apparent discography. Please see rule #7. If this band has indeed released anything and you can show us proof, you can resubmit it again

And the label made LOTS OF phisical releases.

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EntilZha
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:34 pm 
 

Looks like the mod rejecting it simply picked the wrong standard rejection message by accident. That happens. The reason it was rejected was because it isn't metal.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:35 pm 
 

The band will not be accepted for reasons above. If you are not able to comprehend the written rules, your problem.

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Ixtaukayotl
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:37 pm 
 

EntilZha wrote:
Looks like the mod rejecting it simply picked the wrong standard rejection message by accident. That happens. The reason it was rejected was because it isn't metal.


But remeber this:

We accept the following non-metal bands in certain cases (these exceptions can be ambiguous and debatable - scroll down for details):

* Side-projects of metal band members (ex: Pain, Wongraven, Die Verbannten Kinder Eva's)


and this is a side proyect of a metal band, my band, and this is posted here

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540303817

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Ixtaukayotl
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:40 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
The band will not be accepted for reasons above. If you are not able to comprehend the written rules, your problem.


Side-projects are a big debate. When does a band stop being one and starts being a full-time band? What's the difference between a solo career and a side-project, etc. Now, a side-project is a band started in parallel to another band. This is not the same thing as a band member leaving a band and forming a new one, or to join another band! For example, Soulfly is no more a side-project of Max Cavalera as Voivod is a side-project of Jason Newsted.
One might argue that a band can start as such but can stop being one if the main band splits-up. Or that while it's reasonable to have Wongraven or Chaostar, that a country band started by a Flotsam & Jetsam member would simply look out of place on a metal site. Our answer is that we have no choice but to go with a case by case approach. It might be a little arbitrary, but it's hard to define a rule that will apply for every case of a non-metal side-project. Yes, that might mean you'll have to ask us before submitting this guy's side-project. Usually there shouldn't be any problem, but if the side-project really has nothing to do with the heavy metal scene and/or would really look out of place here, chances are, it won't be accepted.

Nothing about the band must me in an intenational label

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:41 pm 
 

That is not the whole rule, it also says that it must be on a label with worldwide distribution.

We accept the following non-metal bands in certain cases (these exceptions can be ambiguous and debatable - scroll down for details):

* Side-projects of metal band members (ex: Pain, Wongraven, Die Verbannten Kinder Eva's)
Note that side-projects will only be eligible if they have at least one release on a label with worldwide distribution (to avoid a flood of bedroom/MySpace bands).


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Ixtaukayotl
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:42 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
That is not the whole rule, it also says that it must be on a label with worldwide distribution.



Show me where says it in the page

I read it ALL the page

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Ixtaukayotl
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:42 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
That is not the whole rule, it also says that it must be on a label with worldwide distribution.

We accept the following non-metal bands in certain cases (these exceptions can be ambiguous and debatable - scroll down for details):

* Side-projects of metal band members (ex: Pain, Wongraven, Die Verbannten Kinder Eva's)
Note that side-projects will only be eligible if they have at least one release on a label with worldwide distribution (to avoid a flood of bedroom/MySpace bands).
* Bands that are no longer metal, but are/were still generally recognized as metal bands (ex: Burzum, Metallica)
* Grindcore if it's close enough to death metal (ex: Carcass, Napalm Death)




well... I dont break any of this rules

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:43 pm 
 

Ixtaukayotl wrote:
Witcher wrote:
That is not the whole rule, it also says that it must be on a label with worldwide distribution.



Show me where says it in the page

I read it ALL the page

Here:
Side-projects of metal band members (ex: Pain, Wongraven, Die Verbannten Kinder Eva's)
Note that side-projects will only be eligible if they have at least one release on a label with worldwide distribution (to avoid a flood of bedroom/MySpace bands).

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Ixtaukayotl
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:44 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
That is not the whole rule, it also says that it must be on a label with worldwide distribution.

We accept the following non-metal bands in certain cases (these exceptions can be ambiguous and debatable - scroll down for details):

* Side-projects of metal band members (ex: Pain, Wongraven, Die Verbannten Kinder Eva's)
Note that side-projects will only be eligible if they have at least one release on a label with worldwide distribution (to avoid a flood of bedroom/MySpace bands).


And what about the LLN bands, and there are lots of side proyects of them, and they were ALL independient, and there are here

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:45 pm 
 

Ixtaukayotl wrote:
Witcher wrote:
That is not the whole rule, it also says that it must be on a label with worldwide distribution.

We accept the following non-metal bands in certain cases (these exceptions can be ambiguous and debatable - scroll down for details):

* Side-projects of metal band members (ex: Pain, Wongraven, Die Verbannten Kinder Eva's)
Note that side-projects will only be eligible if they have at least one release on a label with worldwide distribution (to avoid a flood of bedroom/MySpace bands).


And what about the LLN bands, and there are lots of side proyects of them, and they were ALL independient, and there are here

They are selected exceptions. Now, you have been told the decision, so please stop.

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Ixtaukayotl
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:46 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Ixtaukayotl wrote:
Witcher wrote:
That is not the whole rule, it also says that it must be on a label with worldwide distribution.



Show me where says it in the page

I read it ALL the page

Here:
Side-projects of metal band members (ex: Pain, Wongraven, Die Verbannten Kinder Eva's)
Note that side-projects will only be eligible if they have at least one release on a label with worldwide distribution (to avoid a flood of bedroom/MySpace bands).


This?
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=9278


Only an expample of lots of this bands taht there are here, not metal, but there are in the database.

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Ixtaukayotl
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:47 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Ixtaukayotl wrote:
Witcher wrote:
That is not the whole rule, it also says that it must be on a label with worldwide distribution.

We accept the following non-metal bands in certain cases (these exceptions can be ambiguous and debatable - scroll down for details):

* Side-projects of metal band members (ex: Pain, Wongraven, Die Verbannten Kinder Eva's)
Note that side-projects will only be eligible if they have at least one release on a label with worldwide distribution (to avoid a flood of bedroom/MySpace bands).


And what about the LLN bands, and there are lots of side proyects of them, and they were ALL independient, and there are here

They are selected exceptions. Now, you have been told the decision, so please stop.



"They are selected exceptions. Now, you have been told the decision, so please stop"

BASED ON WHAT? and please don't be agresive Im not fighting, like you

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EntilZha
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:49 pm 
 

Here, I'll make it bigger for you so that it maybe penetrates that thick skull of yours:

Witcher wrote:
Now, you have been told the decision, so please stop.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:49 pm 
 

Ixtaukayotl wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Ixtaukayotl wrote:
Witcher wrote:
That is not the whole rule, it also says that it must be on a label with worldwide distribution.



Show me where says it in the page

I read it ALL the page

Here:
Side-projects of metal band members (ex: Pain, Wongraven, Die Verbannten Kinder Eva's)
Note that side-projects will only be eligible if they have at least one release on a label with worldwide distribution (to avoid a flood of bedroom/MySpace bands).


This?
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=9278


Only an expample of lots of this bands taht there are here, not metal, but there are in the database.


Now, look, the band was rejected because it does not fit our rules. No matter what you say, it will not be accepted. Now respect it and go away.

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Ixtaukayotl
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:52 pm 
 

EntilZha wrote:
Here, I'll make it bigger for you so that it maybe penetrates that thick skull of yours:

Witcher wrote:
Now, you have been told the decision, so please stop.



I wont decide it, this is a problem?

I will contact the admin... are you a moderator?

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:53 pm 
 

Ixtaukayotl wrote:
"They are selected exceptions. Now, you have been told the decision, so please stop"

BASED ON WHAT? and please don't be agresive Im not fighting, like you

Quote:
Additionally, there will be some non-metal bands featured on the site that we feel are still part of the metal scene despite not being metal themselves (usually darkwave, ambient, neo-classical and/or folk bands, examples being Mortiis, Elend, Autumn Tears, Stille Volk, etc). These bands are selected by the moderators in an admittedly arbitrary fashion, and their submission by normal users is discouraged. Please bear with us on this.


Now, don't tell us you read ALL the page or, else, you have comprehension problems.


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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:53 pm 
 

Ixtaukayotl wrote:
EntilZha wrote:
Here, I'll make it bigger for you so that it maybe penetrates that thick skull of yours:

Witcher wrote:
Now, you have been told the decision, so please stop.



I wont decide it, this is a problem?

I will contact the admin... are you a moderator?


I am a moderator and I have told you that the band does not fit our rules. There is nothing to do about it, you will have to respect it.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:35 pm 
 

Gotta love that side project rule sometimes...
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They influenced MOST of the metal bands of our days, and they are not part of this site? This is unacceptable!!!
I would like to know why is that???
Because they are not considered metal? This is not fare!!!

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Sleazer777
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:57 pm 
 

Visionary wrote:
Gotta love that side project rule sometimes...


Yeah,yeah :) Especially with "double" standarts.In most of cases these just fuck up peoples minds.

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morbid_reality666
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:34 pm 
 

grauw from the netherlands have been rejected, since there is no proof of a release, but i have got the released cd-r here at home. is that not a real release then ?
and if you need a picture of it for proof, where can i send it ?

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kimiwind
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:01 pm 
 

you can upload it to www.imageshack.us and include the link with your submission in the additional notes.
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morbid_reality666
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thanks for the info :) it worked :)
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johnny_69
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:00 pm 
 

to proof existance of dynabyte's album to end my submission.

where do i have to sent it?, it is sold out, there are no copies at amazon.com. i got the album at mix up mexico

here's a link where you can find more info about this release and even demos

http://www.lastfm.es/music/DyNAbyte

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:07 pm 
 

Resubmit it, the problem was with the label, but it is apparently om Rotten Records as Acid Bath and cam be submitted as side-project.

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johnny_69
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:15 pm 
 

Resubmit it, the problem was with the label, but it is apparently om Rotten Records as Acid Bath and cam be submitted as side-project


what post didi you answer with that?

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:26 pm 
 

Yours.

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kimiwind
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He is answering you, so go submit your band before Amnael do it before you ...
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