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IdiotFlesh
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The album grew on me a ton since it was leaked, and if I don't act upon the urge to buy it soon, it will probably wear off.
Like many of you, my main complaint is the production. The bass is completely inaudible, the guitars have bad tone, and the drumming is kinda buried.
My favorite tracks are Snuff, Beauty Through Order, and Not of This God. |
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matrixmetal
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I just got the cd. Listened to the whole thing in the car at ear piercing volumes. And fuck yeah. This is a Slayer album. Some might say "It's typical Slayer album". Others might say "Shut up, it's Slayer News Network". I say, turn up the fucking volume.
Yes, we know the world is a bloody place infested with hypocrites and murderers, psychopathological men in suits selling blood by the barrel. The sonic soundtrack to this metally disturbed world is, of course, Slayer. No question about it.
I didn't hear anything in the mix that sounded weak. The guitars were grabbing for the attention, that's for sure. Tom still has a world class thrash voice and I can HEAR THE BASS* very distinctly in the mix which pleases me. Lombardo's bombardment crushes the competition into oblivion with appropriately controlled chaos. Kerry and Jeff do what they do best: thrashing riffs and sick solos.
One criticism might be said. Slayer (and Megadeth, for that matter) straddle the super-fine line of irony very well with their music. It's rebellious, anti-establishment music loaded with angry social commentaries... a revolutionary noise, preaching to stadiums full of head banging citizens of thrashdom.
*If you have trouble hearing the bass on this CD then you should find a better stereo system, earphones, whatever. There is bass on this album. To say there isn't any bass on this album just shows that you didn't review the album properly, with a sound system appropriate to the music on cd. In other words, STFU. 
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FasterDisaster
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| matrixmetal wrote: | | I didn't hear anything in the mix that sounded weak. |
Your ears are fucked. If you listen to this record and don't hear the glaring problems with the production and mixing, you haven't listened and payed enough attention to how production and mixing should be done.
The guitars are buried, the drums are strangely muffled and sit at the top of the mix, and the cymbals have way too much fucking treble, and it overpowers everything else.
| matrixmetal wrote: | | The guitars were grabbing for the attention, that's for sure. Tom still has a world class thrash voice and I can HEAR THE BASS* very distinctly in the mix which pleases me. Lombardo's bombardment crushes the competition into oblivion with appropriately controlled chaos. Kerry and Jeff do what they do best: thrashing riffs and sick solos. |
You sound like an overjoyed prepubescent kid who just heard a Slayer record for the first time.
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Vlachos
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| matrixmetal, trying to sound clever and in-your-face, wrote: | -Some might say "It's typical Slayer album". Others might say "Shut up, it's Slayer News Network". I say, turn up the fucking volume.
-Yes, we know the world is a bloody place infested with hypocrites and murderers, psychopathological men in suits selling blood by the barrel. The sonic soundtrack to this metally disturbed world is, of course, Slayer. No question about it.
-Lombardo's bombardment crushes the competition into oblivion with appropriately controlled chaos. Kerry and Jeff do what they do best: thrashing riffs and sick solos.
-It's rebellious, anti-establishment music loaded with angry social commentaries... a revolutionary noise, preaching to stadiums full of head banging citizens of thrashdom.
-In other words, STFU. |
I want to strangle you.
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iamntbatman
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I'm not sure I really understand the attitude that I've seen over and over again in this thread: "Slayer are never going to release material on the level of their classic-era stuff again, so don't expect them to. Just accept it for being what it is."
Uh, fuck that. Why should I settle for mediocrity just because it's slightly better than the band's worst material (which is flat-out BAD and not just bad in comparison to the band's best material). This is the exact same lineup that recorded Hell Awaits so why shouldn't I expect them to write something of that caliber? If they want to make music worth listening to, they need to either write stuff in the same vein as their classic albums or, as they did on South of Heaven, find some new musical direction that isn't either terrible or half-assed.
Hey guys, there's a new Slayer album out that isn't just a heap of "meh": it's called Enter The Grave. Superbly crafted classic-era Slayer worship by some other band? I'll gladly take that over half-assed Slayer worship by Slayer themselves.
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Vlachos
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| iamntbatman wrote: | I'm not sure I really understand the attitude that I've seen over and over again in this thread: "Slayer are never going to release material on the level of their classic-era stuff again, so don't expect them to. Just accept it for being what it is."
Uh, fuck that. |
Really. I understand a band past their prime may have little recourse in finding another occupation that's worth half the success and is just as redeeming. Even forming another band might be tiresome. In fact, I can't help but like old artists who continue to actually try even if their projects are deemed "failures".
I can't speak for the new album, and although I liked the last one in a way, there's too much from Slayer that sounds like a band that doesn't try. They're the opposite to Megadeth in that regard: Mustaine tries too hard in trying to reclaim some imaginary status or a lost quality instead of plunging forward. Slayer on the other hand is stagnant. Success can equate to honesty through music, meaning that the artist can do what he wants which frees him creatively possibly at the expense of his fans' loyalty. God Hates Us All was an example of that, however it cowered in fear of its critics and attempted to placate some notion that it was from the same mold that Hell Awaits and Reign in Blood came from.
Undisputed Attitude, which was mainly covers, was at least honest and forthright and even if you didn't like it was essentially inoffensive at worst. Diabolus in Musica (which translates 'The Devil in Music', keep in mind) was mostly faggy dreck. That one along with GHUA are so bad that they probably couldn't even be released by the same artists were they 15 years younger. That music was merely mediocre-to-bad which was sold based on their reputation alone. It might not have to live up to their classic albums, but you can't just eat their shit, either.
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| Zythifer wrote: | | vondskapens_makt wrote: | | And, I wouldn't attribute his actions to Youtube. It was stated he had smoked a joint beforehand. |
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Oddeye
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:14 am Post subject: |
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| Well I guess I am one of the few on this forum that actually liked God Hates Us All. Disciple and New Faith are two awesome songs and among my favourite by Slayer. |
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wakemeup36
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| iamntbatman wrote: | I'm not sure I really understand the attitude that I've seen over and over again in this thread: "Slayer are never going to release material on the level of their classic-era stuff again, so don't expect them to. Just accept it for being what it is."
Uh, fuck that. Why should I settle for mediocrity just because it's slightly better than the band's worst material (which is flat-out BAD and not just bad in comparison to the band's best material). This is the exact same lineup that recorded Hell Awaits so why shouldn't I expect them to write something of that caliber? |
Because things change. People change. Bands change. Priorities change.
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zardoz
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Because things change. People change. Bands change. Priorities change. |
Seriously. I really don't think this album is great, but it's still pretty damn good. Maybe they don't want to revisit the past.... maybe they don't want to keep making the same record over and over, as many of you would seem to prefer. Listen to it again. Only this time, let the music speak for itself. |
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Khull
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| wakemeup36 wrote: |
Because things change. People change. Bands change. Priorities change. |
For the worse, and its that negative change in direction everyone is complaining about. I don't understand why some people are having so hard a time grasping that.
Far less people would be bitching if Slayer 1) changed direction and 2) composed good music. It doesn't necessarily have to be akin to their old stuff, but it has to be good. I mean fuck, Iron Maiden got away with barebones simplicity of song structure for decades, but I'd be shocked if anybody called most of their material bad. Ask yourself why that is.
Not all style changes are for the worse. Plenty of bands have done it to the point where the outcome is indeed quite favorable. Looking for some examples? How about Darkthrone, Bathory, Entombed, Carcass, Therion, Die Apokaliptschen Reiter. For the most part, they're all very well known bands who've underwent drastic style changes that people really liked.
So do yourself a favor, stop clinging to this shitty generalization of, "Hurr, you guys are hating an album because it isn't like their old stuff." No, that's very rarely the case. Bad music is bad, regardless of when it came out, who made it, what came before it. |
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aaronmb666
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| I couldve easily mistaken a few of these(americon) for some rappers lyrics. Almost hard to believe that he wrote early slayer lyrics. |
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Vlachos
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| wakemeup36 wrote: | | Because things change. People change. Bands change. Priorities change. |
That doesn't contradict a thing he said. You sound like matrixmetal, spouting off slogans and rhetoric.
"A new Slayer album!? I have one word: SLAYERIFIC!!!"
EDIT: No wait, you're like Christian Bale in American Psycho.
"Do you like Slayer?"
"They're OK."
"Their early work was a little too Priesty for my tastes, but when Hell Awaits came out in '85, I think they really came into their own artistically. The whole album has a grim, evil sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost."
"Hey Halberstram."
"Yes, Allen?"
"Why are their copies of the style section all over the place, d-do you have a dog? A little chow or something?"
"No, Allen!"
"Is that a rain coat?"
"Yes it is! In '86, Slayer released this, Reign in Blood, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Angel of Death", a song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about Josef Mengele, and the slaughter of thousands of Jews, it's also a song that defines the band itself!"
(raises axe above head)
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NotGlib
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| What's up with with the "buy our album 4 times to get the full cover" BS? I understand the record industry is plunging like a rocket, but throw some extras on them or something if you're going to rip people off. |
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SymphonyXFan
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| Oddeye wrote: | | Well I guess I am one of the few on this forum that actually liked God Hates Us All. Disciple and New Faith are two awesome songs and among my favourite by Slayer. |
Hell yeah. New Faith and Disciple had some serious balls. Bloodline was great as well. On the topic of World Painted Blood, I really liked it. The mixing was good, more ballsy than Christ Illusion, which was kinda sterile, and heavier than Diabolus In Musica, which was really empty. They really got their acts together, most notably with songs like Psychopathy Red, Public Display of Dismemberment, and Playing With Dolls. Great album, I'll probably review it later today.
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aaronmb666
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| NotGlib wrote: | | What's up with with the "buy our album 4 times to get the full cover" BS? I understand the record industry is plunging like a rocket, but throw some extras on them or something if you're going to rip people off. |
You could just get the deluxe edition. Best Buy has it for $17. Only drawback i can think of is that its a digipack, but it folds out to be the map. |
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MorbidEarth
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| NotGlib wrote: | | What's up with with the "buy our album 4 times to get the full cover" BS? I understand the record industry is plunging like a rocket, but throw some extras on them or something if you're going to rip people off. |
There's also a CD/DVD version, which features the Playing With Dolls short film on it. That would be the one to choose when purchasing this album IMO. |
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wakemeup36
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| Vlachos wrote: | | wakemeup36 wrote: | | Because things change. People change. Bands change. Priorities change. |
That doesn't contradict a thing he said. You sound like matrixmetal, spouting off slogans and rhetoric.
"A new Slayer album!? I have one word: SLAYERIFIC!!!"
EDIT: No wait, you're like Christian Bale in American Psycho.
"Do you like Slayer?"
"They're OK."
"Their early work was a little too Priesty for my tastes, but when Hell Awaits came out in '85, I think they really came into their own artistically. The whole album has a grim, evil sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost."
"Hey Halberstram."
"Yes, Allen?"
"Why are their copies of the style section all over the place, d-do you have a dog? A little chow or something?"
"No, Allen!"
"Is that a rain coat?"
"Yes it is! In '86, Slayer released this, Reign in Blood, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Angel of Death", a song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about Josef Mengele, and the slaughter of thousands of Jews, it's also a song that defines the band itself!"
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I never said that I find the album awesome. The point of my post was not to defend this album. It was my reply to iamntbatman asking why shouldn't he expect another Hell Awaits. They're not the same pissed off kids trying to make an extremely evil and twisted album anymore. They're not interested in Hell and Satan anymore. Their target is not the same at all. That's why another Hell Awaits is not to be expected.
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Mayor: Er, Master Betty, what is the Evil Council's plan?
Master Betty: Nyah. Haha. It is EVIL, it is so EVIL. It is a bad, bad plan, which will hurt many... people... who are good. I think it's great that it's so bad.
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wakemeup36
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| Khull wrote: | | So do yourself a favor, stop clinging to this shitty generalization of, "Hurr, you guys are hating an album because it isn't like their old stuff." No, that's very rarely the case. Bad music is bad, regardless of when it came out, who made it, what came before it. |
Let me ask you a question. Did I ever praise the album whole heartedly in the whole goddamn thread?! You completely missed the point of my post.
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SoulCancer
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| FasterDisaster wrote: | | matrixmetal wrote: | | I didn't hear anything in the mix that sounded weak. |
Your ears are fucked. If you listen to this record and don't hear the glaring problems with the production and mixing, you haven't listened and payed enough attention to how production and mixing should be done.
The guitars are buried, the drums are strangely muffled and sit at the top of the mix, and the cymbals have way too much fucking treble, and it overpowers everything else.
| matrixmetal wrote: | | The guitars were grabbing for the attention, that's for sure. Tom still has a world class thrash voice and I can HEAR THE BASS* very distinctly in the mix which pleases me. Lombardo's bombardment crushes the competition into oblivion with appropriately controlled chaos. Kerry and Jeff do what they do best: thrashing riffs and sick solos. |
You sound like an overjoyed prepubescent kid who just heard a Slayer record for the first time. |
Hell, I like the album (for the most-part), but I have to agree here: the production here is substandard. I can listen to Mayhem's DMDS on any of my stereo systems (an album noted for its muted bass production), and have it still sound, production-wise, respectable. I tried listening to this in my vehicle and on my home stereo after I got it, though, and... what the fuck? It's mixed too flat for my tastes. Hopefully, they'll release some of these songs as live versions somewhere.
| aaronmb666 wrote: | | I couldve easily mistaken a few of these(americon) for some rappers lyrics. Almost hard to believe that he wrote early slayer lyrics. |
Americon easily became the one I'd skip in this one. The lyrics are laughable, and the riff in it seems like it might've been lifted from Soulfly. I see it's a King "composition" - no big surprise there, then.
| Vlachos wrote: | | wakemeup36 wrote: | | Random words, apparently. |
That doesn't contradict a thing he said. You sound like matrixmetal, spouting off slogans and rhetoric.
"A new Slayer album!? I have one word: SLAYERIFIC!!!"
EDIT: No wait, you're like Christian Bale in American Psycho.
"Do you like Slayer?"
"They're OK."
"Their early work was a little too Priesty for my tastes, but when Hell Awaits came out in '85, I think they really came into their own artistically. The whole album has a grim, evil sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost."
"Hey Halberstram."
"Yes, Allen?"
"Why are their copies of the style section all over the place, d-do you have a dog? A little chow or something?"
"No, Allen!"
"Is that a rain coat?"
"Yes it is! In '86, Slayer released this, Reign in Blood, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Angel of Death", a song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about Josef Mengele, and the slaughter of thousands of Jews, it's also a song that defines the band itself!"
(raises axe above head) |
If that wasn't so fucking long, I'd sig it.
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I never said that I find the album awesome. The point of my post was not to defend this album. It was my reply to iamntbatman asking why shouldn't he expect another Hell Awaits. They're not the same pissed off kids trying to make an extremely evil and twisted album anymore. They're not interested in Hell and Satan anymore. Their target is not the same at all. That's why another Hell Awaits is not to be expected. |
Uh... "Christ Illusion" with Cult, "God Hates Us All" with New Faith and "I keep the bible in a pool of blood / So that none of its lies can affect me"... are you sure we're both listening to the same band here? They still seem pretty content to prattle on about "Hell" and "Satan" to me... |
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wakemeup36
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| SoulCancer wrote: | | wakemeup36 wrote: |
I never said that I find the album awesome. The point of my post was not to defend this album. It was my reply to iamntbatman asking why shouldn't he expect another Hell Awaits. They're not the same pissed off kids trying to make an extremely evil and twisted album anymore. They're not interested in Hell and Satan anymore. Their target is not the same at all. That's why another Hell Awaits is not to be expected. |
Uh... "Christ Illusion" with Cult, "God Hates Us All" with New Faith and "I keep the bible in a pool of blood / So that none of its lies can affect me"... are you sure we're both listening to the same band here? They still seem pretty content to prattle on about "Hell" and "Satan" to me... |
It's not Hell, Satan and occult in the same way. 'Religion's a whore which is why I choose 666'. seems like an excuse to bash religion rather than actually being interested in occult.
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SoulCancer
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| wakemeup36 wrote: | | SoulCancer wrote: | | wakemeup36 wrote: |
I never said that I find the album awesome. The point of my post was not to defend this album. It was my reply to iamntbatman asking why shouldn't he expect another Hell Awaits. They're not the same pissed off kids trying to make an extremely evil and twisted album anymore. They're not interested in Hell and Satan anymore. Their target is not the same at all. That's why another Hell Awaits is not to be expected. |
Uh... "Christ Illusion" with Cult, "God Hates Us All" with New Faith and "I keep the bible in a pool of blood / So that none of its lies can affect me"... are you sure we're both listening to the same band here? They still seem pretty content to prattle on about "Hell" and "Satan" to me... |
It's not Hell, Satan and occult in the same way. 'Religion's a whore which is why I choose 666'. seems like an excuse to bash religion rather than actually being interested in occult. |
Okay, I can see the point of that, but you have to admit that it's not that far of a stretch. It's hardly going from Satanism to Metaphysical topics or what have you (like some bands do).
Hell, I'm not saying that I even find the whole Satan bit tired (I don't). And yeah, religion (in general) has been Slayer's broad target as of late, but it's still in the same arena. Slayer wrote The Antichrist on the first album, and Not of This God and Hate Worldwide for this album. It's a slight change, yes, but not all that drastic when you consider Emperor going from Wrath of the Tyrant to Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk. Or, probably more fitting, Scream Bloody Gore (uh, gore) to The Sound of Perseverance (a lot more introspective than I ever would've thought in Death's early days).
I think the reason we won't hear another Hell Awaits is because the album was more epic, most of the songs clocking in at longer times and there seems to be a lot more effort put into composition. The main thing I could say about Slayer after Divine Intervention is that the songs have been simplified, and that's probably my only real complaint (short of, and I say again, Stain of Mind... I'd rather hear Americon than that fucking song - horrible).
Damn it. Now I've got to take Hell Awaits with me to work tonight. I'm going to have to get my umpteenth copy of it soon, as the one I have now is wearing down. |
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wakemeup36
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| SoulCancer wrote: | Okay, I can see the point of that, but you have to admit that it's not that far of a stretch. It's hardly going from Satanism to Metaphysical topics or what have you (like some bands do).
Hell, I'm not saying that I even find the whole Satan bit tired (I don't). And yeah, religion (in general) has been Slayer's broad target as of late, but it's still in the same arena. Slayer wrote The Antichrist on the first album, and Not of This God and Hate Worldwide for this album. It's a slight change, yes, but not all that drastic when you consider Emperor going from Wrath of the Tyrant to Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk. Or, probably more fitting, Scream Bloody Gore (uh, gore) to The Sound of Perseverance (a lot more introspective than I ever would've thought in Death's early days).
I think the reason we won't hear another Hell Awaits is because the album was more epic, most of the songs clocking in at longer times and there seems to be a lot more effort put into composition. The main thing I could say about Slayer after Divine Intervention is that the songs have been simplified, and that's probably my only real complaint (short of, and I say again, Stain of Mind... I'd rather hear Americon than that fucking song - horrible).
Damn it. Now I've got to take Hell Awaits with me to work tonight. I'm going to have to get my umpteenth copy of it soon, as the one I have now is wearing down. |
True, but even in The Antichrist, neither Christianity or religion are bashed on directly, unlike their recent work. Even if the themes are completely the same, musically they're not, which is what I said in my post in the first place.
And yeah, Hell Awaits is a masterpiece. Their most progressive work to date and imo their best effort.
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Unfortunately, Peacedogman has said I have to review this one, which probably entails listening to it. I have no choice - they have my cat in a blender 
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Very respectful towards their peers. Also, South of Heaven was recorded in 1991 and the late 90s and early 00s never existed.
Kidding aside, what do they have against CF? |
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| FasterDisaster wrote: | | matrixmetal wrote: | | I didn't hear anything in the mix that sounded weak. |
Your ears are fucked. If you listen to this record and don't hear the glaring problems with the production and mixing, you haven't listened and payed enough attention to how production and mixing should be done.
The guitars are buried, the drums are strangely muffled and sit at the top of the mix, and the cymbals have way too much fucking treble, and it overpowers everything else.
| matrixmetal wrote: | | The guitars were grabbing for the attention, that's for sure. Tom still has a world class thrash voice and I can HEAR THE BASS* very distinctly in the mix which pleases me. Lombardo's bombardment crushes the competition into oblivion with appropriately controlled chaos. Kerry and Jeff do what they do best: thrashing riffs and sick solos. |
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God fucking dammit. I fucking like the mix. You don't like the mix. Whatever. Don't tell me my ears are fucked, fucker.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: Kerry and Dave have great taste in music... |
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| NotGlib wrote: | Very respectful towards their peers. Also, South of Heaven was recorded in 1991 and the late 90s and early 00s never existed.
Kidding aside, what do they have against CF? |
God damn. Kerry King admits to liking Nirvana and Slipknot and throws a Celtic Frost cd to the ground? FUCK that guy.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Kerry and Dave have great taste in music... |
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| NotGlib wrote: | Very respectful towards their peers. Also, South of Heaven was recorded in 1991 and the late 90s and early 00s never existed.
Kidding aside, what do they have against CF? |
I saw that when it first aired, I was so unbelievably pissed off. When I saw the co-host pull out Morbid Tales, I actually got excited that they gave some less mainstream music airtime, and I instantly expected King and Lombardo to reminisce of the good old times in the 80's and praise Warrior's music. But no, he tossed it to the freakin' floor and went on complimenting Nirvana and Slipknot.
And when Don claimed that Slayer doesn't have a bad album in their discography...Gah. But I'd been watching that show for a while, so I've come to expect occurrences like that. Like the episode where Eddie Trunk was the only person IN THE ENTIRE STUDIO (hosts, guests and audience members alike) to defend Reign in Blood over Vulgar Display of Power. 
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Nachos, matrixmetal's post was certainly fanboi-tastic in its approach and his closing sentence is childish and idiotic.
With that said, your response was just as stupid. This type of response almost always leads to petty bickering and nonsensical rambling. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: Kerry and Dave have great taste in music... |
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| TheExodusAttack wrote: | | NotGlib wrote: | Very respectful towards their peers. Also, South of Heaven was recorded in 1991 and the late 90s and early 00s never existed.
Kidding aside, what do they have against CF? |
I saw that when it first aired, I was so unbelievably pissed off. When I saw the co-host pull out Morbid Tales, I actually got excited that they gave some less mainstream music airtime, and I instantly expected King and Lombardo to reminisce of the good old times in the 80's and praise Warrior's music. But no, he tossed it to the freakin' floor and went on complimenting Nirvana and Slipknot.
And when Don claimed that Slayer doesn't have a bad album in their discography...Gah. But I'd been watching that show for a while, so I've come to expect occurrences like that. Like the episode where Eddie Trunk was the only person IN THE ENTIRE STUDIO (hosts, guests and audience members alike) to defend Reign in Blood over Vulgar Display of Power. |
Haha, that's hilarious. Kerry King gets funnier and funnier each time I tune in to Slayer's current affairs. This interview just goes to show how out of touch he is with extreme metal. Lombardo is still a badass, though.
EDIT: Total n00b moment: I've never seen or heard of that show before. I got a pretty good idea from the clip, but what exactly is it? |
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Isn't it That Metal Show on VH1? I only know about it because for Halloween a few days ago they said Blackie Lawless was gonna be on it, so I only gave a shit about it for that.
Pissed me off though when I saw him throw the Celtic Forst CD to the ground, and I'm not even that much of a fan.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: Kerry and Dave have great taste in music... |
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| NotGlib wrote: | Very respectful towards their peers. Also, South of Heaven was recorded in 1991 and the late 90s and early 00s never existed.
Kidding aside, what do they have against CF? |
Oh, they're right. They never had a Turbo. They had something much worse. A GHUA. Peace Sells is 'meh'. However Nevermind and AHIG are awesome.
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| wakemeup36 wrote: | | I never said that I find the album awesome. The point of my post was not to defend this album. It was my reply to iamntbatman asking why shouldn't he expect another Hell Awaits. They're not the same pissed off kids trying to make an extremely evil and twisted album anymore. They're not interested in Hell and Satan anymore. Their target is not the same at all. That's why another Hell Awaits is not to be expected. |
I'm not upset that they aren't singing about Satan anymore. "It's all about the muthafuckin' oil" though? Jesus, it's fucking 2009, wake up. I'm not expecting another Hell Awaits but I don't see why they can't release an album of that caliber, even if it's completely different from the "classic Slayer" sound. This isn't really a new musical direction; it's a half-assed attempt to go back to that style of music while still pleasing fans that they earned more recently with their sprinklings of nu-metal and breakdowns. If Slayer released an electronic album with lyrics about unicorns, that'd be just fine so long as the music wasn't half-assed and littered with concessions to shitty recent musical trends and packed with lyrics along the lines of "Unicorns! They're fuckin' horses with horns!" Which is, sadly enough, what King's unicorn-themed lyrics would be like.
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| iamntbatman wrote: | | If Slayer released an electronic album with lyrics about unicorns, that'd be just fine so long as the music wasn't half-assed and littered with concessions to shitty recent musical trends and packed with lyrics along the lines of "Unicorns! They're fuckin' horses with horns!" Which is, sadly enough, what King's unicorn-themed lyrics would be like. |
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I listened to it a few times. It doesn't hold a candle up to anything up through Seasons, but it IS their best since Divine Intervention, or even seasons. They lost the Hatebreed/hardcore influence that was prevalent on DiM and GHUA, and even CI to an extent. This IS a thrash album, but it isn't as good as their other thrash albums.
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| Life_Sucks wrote: | | I listened to it a few times. It doesn't hold a candle up to anything up through Seasons, but it IS their best since Divine Intervention, or even seasons. They lost the Hatebreed/hardcore influence that was prevalent on DiM and GHUA, and even CI to an extent. This IS a thrash album, but it isn't as good as their other thrash albums. |
This is how I feel about the material. It's definitely thrash, and there's only a couple of songs that aren't up to par with the rest of the record, but the production and mixing are really what hold this record back from being as awesome as it could be. If it was slightly overproduced but still tolerable, like Christ Illusion, it would at least be bearable. But the production here is so antithetical to Slayer's sound and their whole craziness that it really just kills any momentum and feeling this album probably had originally intended.
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Their best album since Seasons.
It has a great sound, Slayer needed this. Who new they had a bassist!
In terms of composition, it doesn't try to be another Reign in Blood, which is good. Instead of just going for repetitive and boring speed, they've got some good slower songs. There's even some melodies and not just mad strumming. But sadly the guitar solos are still lousy wankery, all of them.
Lombardo does some very neat things aside from blast beats.
Araya's voice is still mildly annoying but not as bad as I feared it would be.
A very enjoyable album. |
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These ladies could wipe the floor with Slayer: SLAYWHORE!!
http://www.metaladies.com/2008/12/22/slaywhore/
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These ladies could destroy Slayer: SLAYWHORE!!
http://www.metaladies.com/2008/12/22/slaywhore/
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Oddeye
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I got my copy of World Painted Blood today. My first impression was that the packaging of the deluxe version with DVD is really awesome. The cover looks much better than the pictures on the Internet. But even the inlays look cool as hell. Much better than God Hates Us All and Diabolus in Musica.
After watching the short film Playing With Dolls on the DVD I must say I'm pretty impressed. This is something else compared to the boring studio reports that bands usually put on their DVDs and Playing With Dolls is really eerie and good looking. Made me feel very uneasy a couple of times. But why did they leave out the Atrocity Vendor track from the album? The snippets in the short film sounded fucking awesome.
The album itself is much better than I initially thought. While playing the cd through my Logitech z5500 sound system it sounds much better than the MySpace versions. The songs themselves are good and I don't mind Arayas singing at all. Americon is a good song but I agree with most people who argue that the lyrics are silly. What were they thinking?! However I disagree with those who said Playing With Dolls is crap, I think it's a pretty cool song.
I think this is Slayers most interesting album since Divine Intervention, both musically and the conceptually. However as I've said before, Greg Fidelmans production make this album worse than it should be. |
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| I forgot to mention the lyrics. While there are some obvious mistakes I feel the guys really stepped up their game since Diabolus in Musica, God Hates Us All and Christ Illusion. |
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