anyway just for the record when i listen to metal headbanging and "good time" are far less relevant (than) catharsis or atmosphere to me

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I just want to add that thrash is most definitely not made obsolete due to the existence of DM.

Who said that?

This is the upshot of the OP.

So you think these incredibly imaginative and talented bands would be doing what, exactly, if not imitating 80s thrash?

I think that's boiling down the issue at hand nicely... "what do you want to get out of metal?" Catharsis and atmosphere are the furthest things from my mind when I'm listening to metal. I like tweaking the aggressive nerve and grinding teeth, but having a great time doing it. It never occurs to me that someone likes metal but isn't looking to headbang, but I guess that's valid.

If I were looking for catharsis and atmosphere I think I'd be firmly against the new wave of thrash too, and maybe even agree with the OP.

Making the same big steps that Slayer, Exodus and Kreator did back in their day.

But I find it a shame that there hasn't been much progression in the last 10 years because of the whole retro thing.

One local band in particular that I dig is Deadly Remains (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540268504), who do the old-skool Pestilence/Death/Asphyx thing but it's more thrashy and also fucking awesome. They slay live too, but for some reason they don't get quite as much attention as the Exodus worshipers.

to be honest, thrash shouldn't have died in the first place, because if it hadn't, these nu-thrash bands wouldn't be getting the attention the press is giving them.

What about other genres apart from thrash? Is there such a thing as a retro death movement? Retro doom? Retro power for that matter? It'd be interesting to broaden this discussion somewhat.

to be honest, thrash shouldn't have died in the first place

What about other genres apart from thrash? Is there such a thing as a retro death movement? Retro doom? Retro power for that matter? It'd be interesting to broaden this discussion somewhat.

Theres also the whole party doom thing which I actually don't mind so long as it stays much less popular than the obnoxiously ubiquitous pizza-nacho-zombie-skateboard-shark thrash.

Yeah, we need more bands like Pulsing Anus. Screw pizza/nacho thrash (seriously, why make shit up?). I'd rather hear epic ragers like "Barf in Your Ass" and "Butt Trenchers". You know, because that's SERIOUS BUSINESS!

Eh, I have no problem with having fun or singing about stupid shit (hence not having a problem with the "party doom"), I just have a problem with the trendiness of the whole thing and the fact that when something becomes so trendy it becomes completely derivative, watered down and plain boring.

Not exactly sure what you think I'm making up, though... maybe it's just Ohio, but it seems to me like there are way too many bands copying Municipal Waste's lyrical themes. Oh, and you'll never hear me use the fucking term "rager." I thought someone might bring this whole thing up... I suppose let our riffs speak for us and ignore the song titles if that's what bothers you.

I much rather discover new older bands than listen to bands paying tribute to the classics.

Well wight ghoul, while you yourself might not like hearing young, formative-stage thrash bands opening at shows, there are many that most definitely do. The vast majority of bands in any genre, especially in metal today, aren't innovating any more than even the most deliberately retro retro-thrash band. Has death metal done anything really earthshaking new since, say, 10 years ago? Black metal does a little better, with some interesting albums coming out, but for every say Work which Transforms God album that has its own kind of feel, there's still a million bands that just wish they were darkthrone or something.

And I personally believe that the retro thrash movement is reactionary, it is indicative that many actively oppose the newer directions metal is going in, and wanting a return to form to the traditional ideas and feelings of heavy metal.
Step one of that is just playing those tradional ideas and feelings, as has now been done. Step two is moving onward from there, which may or may not be possible. But it is certainly worth trying.

you guys want original progressive thrash? im starting a thrash band with a banjo and fiddle, callin it thrashgrass