Reconstructing motherfucker! Destroying fucking all that poser fucking shit and building some heavy fuckin' metal, YEAH!



Indeed, a*b=ab. So, what we have discovered is that I, along with Opeth, can do basic algebra. "Evolving" is getting a and adding a to make 2a, an evolution of a pre-existing idea, NOT getting a and multiplying it by b to make a clusterfuck of arse.

NWoAHM is reconstructing!! That is a news! I don't think except for LoG and Shadows Fall, there is any band that even remotely trying to re-construct heavy metal!!

That's sarcasm, my good man. Might be worthwhile investing in a detector.

Add Trivium and DEP to that!!
DEP's mathcore is excellent!!

How is Opeth killing metal?

You have to come to understanding that they are a "progressive" band. They can pretty much do/make anything they want within their respective field of music, and they do it quite well.

I hope this was sarcasm.

Has anyone heard 'Are you dead yet?'

What kind of nigger music was that.
Ridiculous hipster garbage.

I only checked them out a week ago or so, first 3 albums seem good for homo melo-death, I didn't particularly like them, but it's reasonable for what it is. I still think they can't hold a candle to melo-death bands like Amon Amarth, Cenotaph, old At the Gates.

There's no doubt that the music they make is in the genre that many people mistakenly label as "prog," (although admittedly they do seem to use actual 70s prog elements, like the 70s prog bands did themselves) but I wouldn't say they do anything too well at all. They're not the worst band ever or anything, they just aren't top notch.

It's clear that you don't like them. It's ok for me.
But explain.

they suck, but the Britney Spears cover was hilarious LOL

I think I have to admit to myself that I am a fanboy of CoB. I first listened to them a couple of years ago when I heard Follow The Reaper for the first time. I complete kicked my ass and I still hold it as one of the greatest albums of all time, or at least in the past couple of decades. I then checked out the rest of their discography, where Hatecrew Death Roll was excellent as well, Something Wild was killer, and Hatebreeder was underwhelming.

Are You Death Yet was fucking terrible though, and it is embarrasing to know songs like In Your Face are the most popular hits for the fans.

Blooddrunk showed me that not all was lost, it was not amazing and it still stuck with the newer sound but I felt the song writing improved and the the epic intensity creeped its way back in.

I'd answer that by saying that I'd never call COB melodic death metal. To me, power metal with harsch vocals seems like a much better description.

It still sucks bad though. I can't remember ever hearing any COB material that hasn't been awful. I don't even think their early stuff is good.

COB is a band that I just choose to ignore. I don't like them, and I never expect them to release anything good in their entire lives, so they could release what the fuck they want in my opinion. I'll just not listen to the cheese infested faggotry that they like to call "metal".

If metal can survive multiple full-length feats of torture from the likes of Machine Head, Pantera, Pro-Pain and Nevermore then I doubt that Opeth can do any lasting damage. As for the other two bands mentioned, grow up.

On-Topic: Thus far Hatebreeder is my favorite of their releases, although I haven't heard Something Wild yet so that won't be my final opinion. Hate Crew Deathroll was alright, a little bit average at times, but afterward they lost my interest. Kalmah is much more consistent, and Skyfire was way more interesting.

off-topic:

I just cannot understand how anyone could hate Opeth, or think they suck or that they're killing metal.

I can see simply not liking them, but as for that other shit, my mind can't stretch far enough for me to grasp it...

The things I dislike about Opeth are the following:

I HATE that guy's clean vocals. They're some of the most annoying I've heard.

The acoustic interludes are more often than not extremely annoying. There are bands that succeed in using such interludes. Opeth sure as hell isn't one of them.

The growls also don't sound too good.

All the recent Opeth I've heard as been groove-oriented close to jumpdafuckup style material with a "progressive" edge to it. That's not good in any way

Everything they've ever done just reeks of pretentiousness.

I don't think Opeth is in any way killing metal though. I don't see anything in the world with a chance of killing metal. And look at Opeth. They don't even have a fuckload of trendy emocore bands emulating them and claiming to be the best metal in the world.

Even if they suck, I personally can't see what harm they're doing to the metal scene. They're one band, and I don't see a lot of bands around walking in their footsteps.

Also, most of the stuff that people claim is "killing metal" isn't even close to even scraping the surface of the real metal scene. I even believe that if nothing changes, the -core genres also don't stand a chance at killing metal, since the scene kids being affected by it aren't part of the real metal scene to begin with, however annoying they might be.

In short, Opeth sucks, but I can't understand in what way they are killing, or even harming, metal.

Children Of Bodom was one of the first metal bands I ever listened to, and I still do from time to time. I understand if some more purist metal fans don't like the prominent keyboards and the harsh, shrieking vocals but I like it. I like the keyboard-guitar harmony and the vocals has grown on me, although the last two albums wasn't that good.

EDIT: If the only argument you have against them is "Alexi is gay" or something like that, you need to grow up for fuck sake.

Yeah, the majority of these "NWOAHM bands suck assholes

They are an ok band, but I think they just tried way to hard with their later stuff. It all seems to sound the same in my opinion.

Allow me:

CoB are one of those bands that are full of talented musicians but piss it all away. Firstly, the keyboard sounds like something from a Super Nintendo game, it's so goddamn ridiculous sounding I don't know how anyone can listen to their music with a straight face, and it doesn't even do anything interesting, it just follows the guitars and the solos sound completely derivative of the guitar solos, too. Speaking of the guitars, their riffing is boring as fuck and the solos are empty and repetitive. The drums never do anything interesting, it's just the same dull and mundane pattern all the way through. Overall, they sound like a bad heavy metal band smothered in keyboards.

Dragonforce are worthless garbage. Seriously, I don't care if their guitarist can play 1 million notes a second with his feet whilst playing table tennis. All their music sounds the same, it gets boring after about 15 seconds after the novelty has worn off. Mindless wankery with pointless and tasteless guitar flair: all their songs have the same boring melodic structure, mix in the generic, standard drumming and the irritating vocals and you get AIDS.

Opeth are pretentious garbage. What people call 'progressive' is code for ego-massaging and tedious noodling. Their songs are a mess, they mix together a few different styles, seemingly just for the sake of it, as the end result is just a few passages stuck together randomly with no transition; they lack any substance and direction. Their songs are often fairly long but they seem to run out of ideas and just repeat and recycle the same old stuff. Some people call them 'atmospheric', often code for lifeless and boring as their music just stumbles along with no emotion. I laugh when people say Åkerfeldt's a great vocalist, I think he's terrible. If Coldplay made metal it would sound like Opeth.

CoB is one of my fav bands and i adore it...i fell in love with them when i heard living death beat and i dont care if is killling or power or death melodic band i just have 2 say that they ROCK!

sure,they're not perfect, like they can be much,much better...
anyway,they have talent.

dragonforce suck on concerts ,but their songs arent so bad.throw the fires and the flames is one of the really good songs which proves that they have potencial...and they are band who ppl either adore or just h8...

opeth...im not into them really much...so i just have to say that Black Rose Immortal has fine lyrics.

They've a few decent songs, IMO, most notably Needled 24-7 and Banned From Heaven, but overall, I think they're really overrated. I hate the vocals most of all, plus, with the exception of black metal bands and Opeth, I don't really enjoy keyboards in metal.

I also hate their image, with fangirls pissing themselves over Alexi all the time (I'm female and I CANNOT see his appeal ) and the moronic ''Hate Crew'' stuff, what bollocks...

Okay, they have playing skills, but they annoy the living shit out of me. I hate my girl for listening to them.

I like the way the OP seems like he's testing the waters, trying to figure out if it's socially acceptable to like this band.

If she's got the boobies, gay points for you.

I actually was subjected to forced listening of Something Wild just recently. It was not at all as terrible as I had remembered it to be, but it's still miles short of being any good. Will probably not recheck any of their other material anytime soon because of it, unless my memory's seriously wrong and there's something that's radically better than Something Wild.

EDIT: fixed misquote...

Bodom is the band that pretty much got me into metal. I enjoy mostly all of their albums. I think they get too much hype though, and touring with slipknot and shitty bands like that is..... well yeah you all know.

I decided to give Something Wild and Follow The Reaper a try.
I bought Hatebreeder a while ago and enjoyed it while I was digging my way through metal and trying to find what I liked.

I still hate the vocals. The vocals suck big time... I could make my dog bark and it may sound better! But I do enjoy the guitar sound and the keyboards, and it is great whenever I play Hatebreeder to a potential metal fan and how they are enjoying the music until... the vocals kick in. A look of desception in their faces which are priceless.

So, I heard SW and FTR recently and I found them not memorable. I could go through the whole labum several times, enjoy some tracks, but overall I found all the album sounding the same. I still find Hatebreeder enjoyable, but I'm not interested in continue listening to their music.

I own a copy of "Follow the Reaper" and love it. I've heard several songs from Something Wild and Hatebreeder and am contemplating purchasing both, though Hatebreeder is a higher priority.

I didn't like "Are You Dead Yet," mostly for the horrifying cover of a Britney Spears song on it.

COB is good, I like 'em no matter what everyone else says. Of course I love their older albums (Something Wild up to Follow The Reaper, the latter being my favorite by them) better than the new shit, but I still like everything they've done. Also, I think what everyone needs to realize is that their lyrics are to be taken with a grain of salt, just like DragonForce's. This is the way I view their albums, in my opinion: Follow The Reaper > Hatebreeder > Something Wild > Hate Crew Deathroll > Blooddrunk > Are You Dead Yet?

Pretty good band. My order is FtR > Hatebreeder > HCDR > SW. The rest I haven't given a thorough listen to. Hate Crew Death Roll I admit is pretty mediocre but Needled 24/7 makes it worthwhile. While watching the Headbangers Journey movie I heard the melody from this song and simply had to find out where it was from, lo and behold it was from an old favorite that I hadn't really checked out.

I finally gave a shot, listening to COB.
And i would say, i missed out alot from this band thanks to the 'overratedness' of this band.
From their debut to 'Hatebreeder', this band did really well in the metal scene... But once 'Are You Dead Yet' was released, it captures the attention of many newbies, hence, that explains why they're well disliked...

Actually, from what I remember, they were "disliked" well before AYDY, because they were too popular, not tr00 enough, too catchy and accessible, whatever bullshit excuse you want. Solution: ignore the armchair metal "elitists".

No.

Solution: Think for yourself instead of just letting others think for you. If you agree with the "armchair metal elitists" that's also a valid opinion as long as it's not just derived from listening to them bash stuff and thinking they're "true".

Children of Bodom is a pretty good band. If you're a fan of any kind of Finnish Power/Thrash metal like Ensiferum, Norther, Wintersun, etc. you should definately listen to Children of Bodom's Hatebreeder album, very awesome. Haven't heard any of their new music but I hear it sucks.

No, they were disliked because people thought they sucked. I am not an "elitist" (would you really call someone who listens to metalcore, dislikes plain heavy metal and dislikes most "classic" thrash bands an elitist?) but I hate the band with a passion (along with most melodeath bands). Their keyboard and guitar melodies are atrocious, and are made worse by the fact that they are completely misplaced. Some songs, like Bed of Razors, are tolerable.

Also, Alexi is an awful vocalist.



The so-called "Bodom worship" bands like Kalmah are miles better than Bodom. I don't listen to Kalmah, Norther or Wintersun anymore but I do remember that I quite enjoyed them and always preferred them over the shitty-ness of Bodom.

Pretty typical bullshit response from someone who can't handle differing opinions on a band. Come on, can't you people get any more original than this? JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DOESN'T LIKE A BAND DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE AN "ELITIST." Maybe they just...don't like the sound?

Seriously, I'm the biggest elitist I've ever met, and I love Bodom. Some people just honestly think that they suck, deal with it.

Yeah, Bodom are a pretty hateable band, although I enjoy Hatebreeder and FtR every now and then. It's not that hard to comprehend someone finding their haphazard and ugly style of music unappealing.

Well, I wouldn't say it's ugly... but there is no doubt that haphazard is a good descriptor. It's really busy, spastic, and over the top, and I understand completely why some people think it sucks dinosaur balls.

Children of Bodom are boring and overrated. I used to like them but I don't anymore.

Hatebreeder and Follow the Reaper are okay. Everything else is pretty lame.