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Nolan_B
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:04 am 
 

I really like the trebly guitar tone a la Under a Funeral Moon and Bathory's S/T. The problem is I have two guitar amps, Roland Microcube, and a Peavey JSX. I understand that the key is to boost the treble, but my Microcube has only a tone knob, it just doesn't get squeeky tones. The JSX has too much tube punch for a black metal tone.

Any advice?

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mattp
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:11 am 
 

EQ Pedal
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juicebitch
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:50 pm 
 

mattp wrote:
EQ Pedal


Wait a minute, haven't you always (as far as I know) been an advocate of pure amp sounds?
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mattp
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:01 pm 
 

For my own personal tone, yes. I'm a fan of "guitar > amp > cab", as far as rhythm guitar is concerned. However my tone is very far from black metal, and an EQ pedal would be a great way to reduce punch and bass from a sound.
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thewitchfinder
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:44 am 
 

Suggested black metal tone would be:

Bass:0
Mid: +1
High: +10

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Traver
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:47 am 
 

I thought black metal tones were generally midscooped?

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RageW
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:09 pm 
 

thewitchfinder wrote:
Suggested black metal tone would be:

Bass:0
Mid: +1
High: +10

He said that his amp just had a tone knob, I think he's looking for a pedal more than the equalization.
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mattp
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:07 pm 
 

RageW wrote:
thewitchfinder wrote:
Suggested black metal tone would be:

Bass:0
Mid: +1
High: +10

He said that his amp just had a tone knob, I think he's looking for a pedal more than the equalization.


He has two amps. The Mircrocube with the tone knob, and the JSX with a full range EQ.
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renegade498
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:32 pm 
 

for good BM tone, I go with a
low bass, and midwayed Mid and Trable. wiuth a very thin Distortion.

but for a joke BM band I do with my friend, I just drop the Bass and Midd, and crank the treble. but like I said thats if you want the "Traditional" black metal tone.
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SupremeAbstract
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:40 pm 
 

Wah pedal set to full expression will help with the UaFM tone. As said before, drop all the bass and mid and max out the treble for that airy Bathory hiss.
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thejestersgate
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:31 pm 
 

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't both Immortal and Dimmu Borgir use bass in their guitar tone?

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StryckenFromHistory
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:43 pm 
 

He said black metal.
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Nolan_B
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:05 pm 
 

thejestersgate wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't both Immortal and Dimmu Borgir use bass in their guitar tone?

Immortal used to be trebly, now they are a thrash hybrid. And Dimmu Borgir is uhhhhh Dimmu Borgir.

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renegade498
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:16 pm 
 

Nolan_B wrote:
thejestersgate wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't both Immortal and Dimmu Borgir use bass in their guitar tone?

Immortal used to be trebly, now they are a thrash hybrid. And Dimmu Borgir is uhhhhh Dimmu Borgir.


they dont have too much Bass, they have more Mid.
and there is nothing wrong with Dimmu. the new stuff isnt that great, but Albums Like Enthrone Darkness Triumphant wich was a Gothic black metal masterpeice makes up for it 10 fold.

also Dimmu and Immortal both use Engl amplifiers!
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juicebitch
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:52 am 
 

I actually find the guitar tone on Under a Funeral Moon to have a lot of character and..."warmth"? Its not the coldest guitar tone ever, compared to say, Immortal or Thorns' debut full length.

Musta sent it through a fuzz pedal or something.

Any ideas?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:34 pm 
 

renegade498 wrote:
Albums Like Enthrone Darkness Triumphant wich was a Gothic black metal masterpeice makes up for it 10 fold.


You're confusing gothic metal with symphonic metal. Not that I don't love that album or anything, but there is nothing "gothic" about it.
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Andyminion
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:42 am 
 

Well Nocturno Culto uses Gibsons, mainly a Les Paul Custom - the sound is either a practice amp or a distortion pedal straight into the desk (4-track). On Panzerfaust I'm sure hes using a practice amp on full tilt and it is a really good sound. One thing is for sure - you won't get the sound you are looking for using a high quality valve amp: also I think with the exception of Darkthrone and Mayhem (Euro also used a Les Paul) most of the early black metal bands used cheap guitars. Burzum and early Emperor used cheap strat copies, which you wouldn't normally use in metal. This was no doubt a result of them being kids and using beginners guitars they got for their birthdays....

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Nolan_B
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:18 pm 
 

Andyminion wrote:
Well Nocturno Culto uses Gibsons, mainly a Les Paul Custom - the sound is either a practice amp or a distortion pedal straight into the desk (4-track). On Panzerfaust I'm sure hes using a practice amp on full tilt and it is a really good sound. One thing is for sure - you won't get the sound you are looking for using a high quality valve amp: also I think with the exception of Darkthrone and Mayhem (Euro also used a Les Paul) most of the early black metal bands used cheap guitars. Burzum and early Emperor used cheap strat copies, which you wouldn't normally use in metal. This was no doubt a result of them being kids and using beginners guitars they got for their birthdays....

I'd imagine it wouldn't be hard to get a Deathcrush tone with my valve. I know Euronymous used a Les Paul and a Marshall JMP.

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Andyminion
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:22 pm 
 

Yes, like I said he used a Les Paul, a Marshall and also an Ibanez tube screamer boost pedal.

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StryckenFromHistory
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:24 pm 
 

Andyminion wrote:
Yes, like I said he used a Les Paul, a Marshall and also an Ibanez tube screamer boost pedal.
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Andyminion
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:27 pm 
 

Also, looking back at your original post you mention Bathory's guitar tone - he used an Ibanez Iceman through a cheap Yamaha practice amp - that links up pretty nicely with the Darkthrone gear list...

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Andyminion
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:31 pm 
 

Forgot to mention though, your Peavey amp is a very, very different beast to the Marshall that Euro used - the tone is much more compressed in a way that none of the early 90's black metal was. However its still very possible to get a similar sound with a bit of tweaking!

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