http://defeatingthegraveband.bandcamp.com/

(There's the songs that will be on it)

I already have the cover art for it and a title. Just looking for a small CD release, 50 to 100 copies should suffice. Let me know if y'all can help me out.

Hailz!

I honestly couldn't ever see this getting a release on CD, unless you do it yourself. There is too much reliance on palm-muting, and most of it sounds the same. This doesn't sound like Death Metal at all, sounds more like deathcore, or goregrind. Lots of unoriginal riffs and breakdowns. It just sounds like everything that's been done before. There's no arguing that the vocals were lowered in pitch using some program, it's easy to tell when someone's done that because it just doesn't sound right, and the drum machine is just a headache throughout this. If, somehow, you get this released, kudos to you, but I just cannot see it happening.

Okay, I'm not gonna get into a huge debate with you. But I will say this, I didn't intend to make the most inovative or technical music ever, I just aimed to make metal. The last thing I want is to get into the ever-so-popular sub-genre/genre debates that you see everywhere amongst the metal world these days. Deathcore, death metal, polka-folk-pop-reggae metal...I don't care what it's called, because it's music all the same. I respect that you gave your honest opinion, what I don't respect is your tyrant about every aspect of it. With that being said, I think you need to open up a bit and realize that a large percentage of the metal music that is made, is not especially technical nor inovative. I'm not trying to vouch for sympathy nor am I vouching for praise of my material. I'm just saying that you needn't dissect everything on such a maticulous level when, in all reality, the specific sub-genre of the music is completely irrelevant, as is the ideal that all music is going to be 100% true and unique.

Couldn't have said it better myself I actually really like those tunes. Straightforward and super catchy! Good job, bro! Let me know when it comes out

That's a part of being in music: criticism. If you can't take any criticism, then you shouldn't post music anywhere on the internet, especially here. I never said to make it technical or innovative, I'm just saying, give it a little more diversity. I'm not looking for any type of debates or arguments, I simply stated my opinion about it, and what it sounds like to me. With every artist, there is a potential for something really great to be had, and the same rule applies here, just not with the material you are promoting. And my 'tyrant about every aspect,' again man, that's part of being in the music business. It's just like writing a review, what I said, only just in the forum. Agreed, not all Metal music is technical, and it doesn't have to be, but it seems there are more unoriginal projects forming all around in this age.

I am well aware of how things work when you are in music, believe me. I have a local band here in Montana (more of a generic metal band, I'll admit that) and people either love the music or hate it. When it's played on the radio every know and then, we either get comments from people, or we get in inbox full of hate mail. I am well aware of criticism. This comment that you've just made is much more realistic and reasonable, on the other hand, and I do appreciate that. I was not attacking you for your criticism, I was just shocked by the mindset that I perceived from your original post.

Man. It seems like this is the only response from people who simply just do not know HOW to categorize genres.
Let's all forget our periodic tables and biological categorizations and see how far we get with those fields.

Anyway, I'm in the same "mindset" as Lost Wisdom. You need to learn to take criticism well and assess on WHY someone would say what they did. If that does not happen, then the collaboration process (which is probably the entire purpose of this sub-forum) is a total collapse.

P.S. I actually liked some of the riffs in here, but it's lacking some originality. Try to find something unique to your playing style and go from there.

Defeating The Grave already said that he doesn't mind the criticism, and I can actually believe him from that post that he made in which he clearly described that. I can agree that the music is lacking some originality, but I think that the debate as to whether or not he can take criticism is completely irrelevant and besides the point as that particular element has already been dealt with. I think the only thing that may have sparked the criticism question was his initial response to Lost Wisdom's first post. When I read that post, I kind of agree that Lost Wisdom did portray quite a narrow minded approach and it came across as that it was uncommon for metal music, especially death metal music, to be quite similar in structure and design.

Hahaha, if you plan to comment on your own post, under a different account name, you should be sure to not have both of them associated with eachother. It was quite easy enough to go to google, search for 'Defeating The Grave,' find it on facebook, and come to find that you run it, along with 'Gurut', Mr. Wanke.

Hahaha, oh wow. Oh wow. Best thing I've read all week, this thread.

Good luck looking for a label kid. You'll need it.

Edit: I can't believe I paused my Winterfylleth to listen to your music, but I did. Your music is okay (by that I mean it is a few steps above, say, Nicki Minaj); you clearly have *some* playing and writing ability.

Drop the shitty attitude.

No, you truly couldn't have!

I'm seriously losing my shit over this. Wow.

oh. my. god.

Can we sticky this thread?

Wow....

This is the best thing I've read on here in a great while.

Not true. Worthy bands DO get their first release out with label backing. Unfortunately there aren't a lot of worthy bands out there.

Who cares about subgenres, this shit fucking sucks.

The repetitive chugging palm muted riffs are a snoozefest. And those vocals as someone said sound very artificial and not very good.

It gets better. We got this email from the OP:

Yet, he also reported this thread, with a different story:

So in the email he admits the first post is his, but the report says both accounts were hacked. And yeah, his "pissed off ex-band mate" is... praising his band. To make him look like a sock puppet. Or something!

Then again, we don't need a contradictory story full of holes to know he's full of shit, here's the IP match for the posts:


Funny shit. Sorry Skylar, your reputation is done. Also, sock-puppetry is a bannable offense, as stated on that link: "Other uses of sock puppets may include (but are not limited to): [...] posting on the forum with multiple accounts all pretending to agree with each others to reinforce your viewpoint. To repeat: users caught with sock puppets will be instantly banned."

Good bye!

Might as well make the best of this situation. *gains 1 point by adding Defeating the Grave as a non-MA band to Pein's artist profile*

Morrigan, thank you for that. it's an absolute delight to see & read someone squirming and turning something so much.

Skylar Wanke, we will remember your name. You're a legend.

Heh heh heh...

Wanke.