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Mrtvovina
Mallcore Kid

Joined: Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:35 am
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Location: Slovenia
PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:00 am 
 

Hello

I Have some sound problems with my Engl powerball

I am using Engl e 412 pro cabinet

And guitar BC rich warlock delux with dimarzio puf pro pick ups

THE PROBLEM IS: No mater what I do i hear some moderen/ digital sound in the back of the sound

I don't know how to explain properlly

On the drive/ distortion channels I think I am pretty limited

no matter how I tweak EQ on the end when I am recording (using shure sm 57) all sound more all les the same

Like it have some permanent warmnes you cant get rid of nomether how chrunchy or how bassy middle sound you have

ANd it's not the problem in warmnes but I dno't know

Is there anyone who usses this amp who can shere some opinions?

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Headless420
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Joined: Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:22 pm
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Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:25 am 
 

Your post is fairly confusing. But I'll give this shot.

Sounds like you could have a ground loop. I'd pick up some balanced, shielded, gold tipped TRS cables to avoid interference. Make sure you don't have any cables carrying a signal touching any power cables.

Your amp could have some issues, but I don't know enough about amps to give you any idea of what could be wrong.

If that doesn't help it could be an issue with your guitars pickup or wiring.

If all else fails try using a notch filter to eq it out of the recording.

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Awblaster
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:01 pm 
 

Try uploading a clip where we can hear the sound.
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Zodijackyl
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Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:39 pm
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Location: United States
PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:46 pm 
 

Have you tried it with another guitar? BC Rich never seems to ground passive pickups very well. If it makes less noise when you touch the output jack with your hand, that's it.

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xpsychoblissx
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:38 pm 
 

It almost doesn't sound like a problem with the amp to me...I would start with the guitar, but also check the microphone. If you're recording it and hearing this, make sure it's not something with the recording device.
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Mrtvovina
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Joined: Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:35 am
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Location: Slovenia
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:42 am 
 

Its not the guitar, guitar sounds great

I also tried her on peavey 6505 and it sounded awesome

I also tired fender straocaster 79 on Engl and also didnt sound any different

My conclusion is that engl powerball jsut isnt the amp for harsh metal sound I mean it is good, very good for modern metal and all the new deathcore stuff

But for music like: old slayer, old morbid angel, (hoffman) deicide, old marduk just isnt

I will probably sell Engl and buy peavey 6505 .... much better for metal

Ou and Bc rich with passive pick up sounds great

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somefella
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Joined: Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:57 pm
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:45 am 
 

That's a silly conclusion to make. Are you using speaker cables to connect the head to the cab, and not normal guitar cables, for instance?
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Ilwhyan
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Joined: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:41 pm
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:35 am 
 

If it didn't used to sound any different, it's the right conclusion to make. You just don't like the tone. If that's the case, I wonder why you bought it in the first place.
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soul_schizm
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Joined: Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:55 am
Posts: 643
Location: United States
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:52 am 
 

It does sound like he just doesn't like the voicing of the amp...

Most amps have a range of tonality that can be explored, but much more important is the overall voicing of the amp....the way it is wired on the board itself. That determines the overall personality of the amp, and the tone controls are just tweakage...


I'd have to say the same thing Ilwhyan said. A powerball isn't exactly cheap. One should only purchase something like that after playing it for awhile and liking the sound. If you really don't like the sound, then cut your losses and exchange it for something else. You've got more important things to worry about without being totally upset with your tone.

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kingnuuuur
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Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:35 pm
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:20 am 
 

Mrtvovina wrote:
My conclusion is that engl powerball jsut isnt the amp for harsh metal sound I mean it is good, very good for modern metal and all the new deathcore stuff

But for music like: old slayer, old morbid angel, (hoffman) deicide, old marduk just isnt

I will probably sell Engl and buy peavey 6505 .... much better for metal

Wha...? :scratch: There isn't much tonal difference between the two, they're both modern metal amps and very similar-sounding.

If you want old school, hunt down some first generation Marshall Valvestates. They will fucking kill you.

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infinitenexus
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Joined: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:35 am
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 4:13 pm 
 

The Engl Powerball is an incredible amp for all genres of extreme metal. Many death metal bands have used it. For that matter, most of the amps Engl makes are great for metal. That being said, they do have a bit of a reputation for having a bit of ground hum. I've read about it plenty of times. I have an Engl E530 and it's kinda noisy also. Still sounds incredible, but you can notice the hum sometimes.
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infinitenexus
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Joined: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:35 am
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 4:18 pm 
 

By the way, the music isn't death metal but still some pretty brutal tones from a Powerball. And his gain is only like halfway up in this clip. It's DEFINITELY capable of death metal or anything else:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSHCAkuXZQw

(But in my personal opinion nothing beats an Engl Savage) (starts at 30 seconds in)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bwbCoT7ZIc
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