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infinitenexus
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:17 am 
 

And by amp, I mean VST. Anways, I've got it down to a 5150 or an Engl for the rhythm guitars. Similar sounding, but I can't decide, so I was hoping to get some opinions here. Same song recorded twice, with different amps on the rhythm guitars:

The 5150: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/72840986/a%20da ... 205150.mp3

The Engl: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/72840986/a%20da ... 20engl.mp3
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infinitenexus
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:20 am 
 

Not an easy choice. They sound too similar to my ears (via shitty computer speakers). I think the 5150 sounds slightly better, but the Engl is slightly clearer. I dunno.
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Goran
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:46 pm 
 

That's indeed very similar. Good thrashy tone, which I'm guessing is what you aimed for.

As a fellow VST-fanatic: what should I understand by "5150" and "Engl"? The TSE X30 for the latter?
Any additional EQ or effects?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:16 pm 
 

The 5150 is the Poulin Legion(5150 clone), and the LeCab 2, with very minor EQ (just a bass cut at about 120Hz). The Engl is a Simulanalog tubescreamer, Poulin Le456 (Engl clone), and the same LeCab 2 and minor EQ. All plugins are free. I tried the TSE X30, but didn't much care for it. I probably just needed to put it through a better cabinet simulator or something.

If you haven't used LePou plugins before, I highly recommend them. Some of the amp heads need a tubescreamer in front of them to tame the bass (especially when tuning down), but they all sound incredible, and they're free.
http://lepouplugins.blogspot.com/
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:47 pm 
 

I would agree with the 5150 sounding slightly better, I think because it sounds like there is a little more in the low end? I am the kind of person that wouldn't notice a difference though unless I was listening to them side by side.
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Goran
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:15 am 
 

Yeah, I've got all of Lepou's plugins, but I always forget which amp simulates which. -_-
It's just that I had some great results with the X30 lately (great for my level, at least). Sometimes tighter-sounding than Lepou's.

Also, are you telling me that a TS rolls off the lows? Dammit, learning something daily.

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infinitenexus
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:49 am 
 

Yeah, the simulanalog TS is excellent for getting rid of the "boominess" that some of those VST heads have, without completely neutering it. There will still be a good chunkiness on the low end, but not an excessive amount. I think the only VST head I use without the simulanalog TS in front is LePous LeGion - the 5150 sim.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:02 am 
 

Sounds exactly the same
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:14 am 
 

The difference it's so small that I think both will behave exactly the same in a mix/master situation. The Engl sounds slightly less bassy, but the tone it's really similar.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:58 am 
 

At louder volumes the differences are more apparent, but basically it boils down to slightly more clear versus a slightly thicker low end. I'm going to use the Engl, and for the album after that I'll use the 5150. I appreciate all your opinions.
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LiberXul
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:47 pm 
 

I'd suggest the 5150, it just has more guts to it. But if you've made your mind up, good job, let's hear some songs soon.

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somefella
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:55 pm 
 

Or you could use both and pan each one to each side, just a suggestion.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:59 pm 
 

Could try doing 4 tracks, where 2 of those tracks are just the same left/right guitar track but with the other effect chain on them, then blend, might give the best of both.
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