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Myooz
Mallcore Kid

Joined: Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:20 pm
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Location: Canada
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:40 pm 
 

So I'm planing out to play brutal death metal and I need help with recording equipment. What would be better, recording guitar/bass with a mic or with one of those machine things(Example: Line 6 pod)
I also need better distortion

What's the best way I should record vocals?
And as for drums I'm just going to use drums because it's impossible to find a drummer in the town who wants to play metal

And as for equipment:
Amp: Roland cube 80xl
Guitar: Jackson js23rt
Guitar: Schecter Damien elite c-8

I allready got the sound ready, just need help with recording, cause I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to recording and mixing

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mattp
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:20 am 
 

There are quite figuratively unlimited guides on the internet to beginning recording. Look one of those up and do your own damn homework.
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Myooz
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Joined: Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:20 pm
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:24 am 
 

Yeah, but I kind of want an answer from people who know their shit

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doktersatan
Metal newbie

Joined: Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:42 pm
Posts: 149
Location: Amsterdam
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:23 am 
 

there are pretty good arguments for both recording direct with amp sims and just sticking a mic in front of your amp.

I personally prefer the latter. while there has been unquestionable improvements in the amp sim software since I first tried it, it still doesn't really sound quite right to me and I pretty much always have a harder time getting the right sound out of it. The top end of the spectrum isn't quite right sounding with guitar rig etc.

I would go for a shure sm57, which is pretty much an industry standard for recording electric guitars, stick that in front of your cube, which is a pretty nice amp.

This mic is also suited for screaming vocals, but isn't really all that flattering in my experience. Ive used a cheap MXL large diaphragm (sp?) condenser mic on vocals for years with pretty good results.

If you dont have an audio interface I would look into the M audio or Tascam lines, those are pretty decent for the price. They also (most of the time) have a hi-z input so you can always do your guitars direct with amp sims if you get tired of the sound you get with your cube. That DI input on the interface is more useful (in my opinion) for the bassguitar.

I dont think you need better distortion, the cube has pretty good sounds. And a lot of people think guitars will sound more crushing and open up with distortion, but instead the opposite is true.
Distortion compresses the hell out of your signal , the more you use it, the tinier your guitars will sound on the recording. I almost always back down the gain knob after letting a guitarist set up.

Its much more effective to record just an extra take of the guitar part, the result will be much much bigger sounding than any boss metal zone or whatever does.


as for software maybe try the free ardour or something.

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garthmargengi
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Joined: Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:16 am
Posts: 475
Location: Argentina
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:25 am 
 

Well, do you have a proper interface/soundcard to record with to begin? Because if you use the one that came with your motherboard then your project is doomed from the very beginning.

First you need to get a soundcard, a fast track pro or lexicon alpha are affordable and you can get a great sound out of them.
If you aren't happy with the sound you're getting of your guitar currently (I take you feel it can be improved from the distortion commentary), then you have to record your guitar CLEAN via the line-in from the soundcard and then add effects and that shit with whatever software you prefer.
Same for the bass, and for vocals try to get a decent microphone, the Shure SM57/8 has a great balance of price and quality though there are lots of other options and better bargains if you're willing to take the job to look for 'em. A condenser will most of the time be much better for the job.

Having all the hardware part set up, you have to get a DAW (try Reaper, it's pretty good), a drum VSTi and lay down the MIDI part for it; it's
always easier if you start recording from lower/rythmic-er to higher/melodic-er stuff (drums, then bass, then guitars, then vocals).

And the rest is pretty intuitive, try different effects, sounds, search on google for tips on mixing to get the type of sound you want (or just play with everything, it's not like stuff can't be undone on computers (as long as you keep a backup)) and well... the final outcome is pretty much to you, depending on how much time and effort you're willing to invest in it.
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infinitenexus
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:05 pm 
 

Miking your amp can sound great, if done right. It takes practice to do it right. Running your guitar into a DAW and using amplifier simulating VSTs is easy, and there's some really good ones out there. I recorded all my previous stuff with a tube amp/4X12 cab, and a mic, now I'm going with VSTs, because I've got really nice sounding ones and it's a billion times easier. I will second what garthmargengi said about Reaper. I use it, as do others on this board. It's a fantastic program.
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doktersatan
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Joined: Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:42 pm
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Location: Amsterdam
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 8:06 am 
 

made any progress yet myooz?

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john_harrison
Mallcore Kid

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:11 am
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:26 am 
 

For the fat guitar sound I will usually do 4 tracks and they are all panned off center to keep space in the middle for other instruments and vocals. And as well they each have their own respective tone. So EQ plays a huge role in getting them to fit well together and sound good in the mix.

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