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Zeating
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:51 pm 
 

I'm in a 3 piece black/thrash band, and have played about 4 shows so far. Each time we make money, but only the guitairst ever sees it. He says its put away in 'band fund' for upcoming things, but I have yet to ever get paid for a gig.
I'm playing a gig today, and tomorrow, and again - no pay at all.

Is this to be expected? how do bands usually work in these scenarios? it was to my understanding that no matter what if you're in a band and you play a gig - you're expected to get SOMETHING... if so..what are my rights as a drummer to say how much money I should get from gigs? surely its wrong to get NOTHING? (and miss work, and put in all of the countless hours and effort that it requires to be a gigging drummer etc)

for example, last gig we made "$100" allegedly, because I don't really trust the guitairst, with that in mind how would it be divided between the 3 members & band fund? surely it cant be nothing for the members? the guitairist has made some bad decisions without even asking the rest of the band such as hiring a really incompitent graphic artist to make really shitty album art for $750, YES, $750. and funding our debut album at the wrong time and in the wrong way, for another $800 etc..all without asking anyone else first. Dont know how to feel
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CorpseFister
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Joined: Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:07 pm
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:35 pm 
 

Sounds like you guys might need to have a discussion about your goals. Also, your guitarist definitely shouldn't be making decisions like that on his own.

As far as personally making money, I think you're off base. I suppose it really depends on what you want, but my band is in it to make music first. Over the years we've made ehhh, maybe eight to ten thousand-ish (very rough estimate) and not a single penny has gone into anyone's pocket. Ever single dollar goes back into the band to press albums, fund touring, getting merch, filming videos, ect.

If you're subbing for an established band, just sitting in for lives shows, or playing in a cover band in a pub, then you can probably expect to be paid. But if you're in a band that has any ambition you should use band money to fund your projects, not personal beer money.


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JohnTheDrummer
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:01 pm 
 

I didn't know that being in a band gave me the opportunity to make money :o

... but seriously, unless they were good turnouts, I highly doubt that you guys made that much. Nothing personal, but I've played a fair amount of shows and can't remember making $100... maaaaaaaaaaaybe once or twice, but that was put into "band fund".

So that gets us on the topic of "band fund". If you haven't physically seen said "band fund" and think he is pocketing everything, then make sure that you do not take anything extra out of your own pocket until you know how much dude has put into whatever you guys are paying for.

And like every other person will say here, being in a band shouldn't be about money, espcially if you are playing any extreme form of metal, because you won't really make anything from that, unless you're in Norway :lol: . If it is that big of a deal, confrotn the dude, have a band sit down and talk about how you all are goign to share the money, or what you will do with it. I can't say that I have never pocketed show money, but so has my guitarist, but we take note and make sure to pay extra for whatever funds come up to pay back for the band fund we took as our own for whatever reason.
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MawBTS
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:00 pm 
 

How to handle money: work out who's the most trustworthy member + appoint him manager of the band's finances. All expenditures should be discussed with the other members. He should be able to provide receipts and invoices for everything he says he's spending. Everyone should be up to speed on what's coming into the band and what's going out of it, like a regular business. Fuck this mysterious "band fund" that nobody gets to look at.

I'm assuming your band's kind of a partnership, with all members having equal input. I realise some bands (like Megadeth) are basically an alpha male and a few other musicians going along for the ride - then the dynamic becomes a bit different.

Sounds like your guitarist is taking the band's money and spending it on whatever he likes. That's lame. And a recipe for future disaster.

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ShaolinLambKiller
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:40 pm 
 

what everyone else says and I'll throw in as well.... if you are expecting to get paid every gig and don't trust the guitarist... you need to quit. Also stop playing in bands cause you aren't going to get paid unless as described you are a session member hired to fill in for some established band and with that you would have written up a contract.

In all the bands I've done it's common for one person to be the head of the band and divert all those funds into a single coffer for upcoming things we need... like gas to tour, merch to sell, and recording sessions... like corpse said. This is very common among most all bands till you get into that top tier of bands that can make money from their passion. and keep in mind many of them have dayjobs.

It's highly doubtful it'll ever get profitable esp if you are already thinking you should get 25 or 33 out of that 100 like it makes a difference. Like if you were in my band and you asked that when we are trying to fund all these other things, I'd give you your 25 bucks and tell you that you are fired and not to return.

Currently in one of my bands we are working things differently where we do split what we make at the door after gas is paid for. That's cause I fund the shirts and cds from my own cash and I keep that profit and same with the patches and koosies the drummer is having done.. he is paying for them and keeps that profit. So far so good.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:02 am 
 

For CD/iTunes/whatever sales it's all on our collective CDBaby account which we can view anytime anyway. It belongs to the band so no one is allowed to 'cash out' when they are no longer in the band for example.

As for physical cash we just pool stuff from CD and merch sales every week during rehearsals. It usually goes into band stuff like pressing and shit, or at the very least renting of rehearsal studios. It's not thousands and thousands of dollars a month so I honestly don't worry too much about it. It wouldn't bother me if I never made a cent at all anyway.
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TuckerofThorrAxe
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:19 pm 
 

How things work in my band:
Since I am the only founding member left, I am also the acting management.
All payment from merch sales and door/guarantees goes into a cash box, which the amount therein is carefully recorded and tracked in a cash book which is kept in the lock box.
All online merch sales go into a paypal account.
If separate vehicles are used for show transport, gas money is recouped for that from the cash box.
No money gets pocketed by any members. Ever. Period. Reason for that is that when the time comes around to record or get more merch made, SOMEONE is going to pay out of pocket. This at least provides somewhat of a safety net against that, so we don't lose our asses.
Paypal money goes to paying for online things.
Cash goes to paying for gas and locally made merch.
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