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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:52 pm 
 

Hey guys,

I need advice on web presence. Here are the things we need:

1. We're a small time band, looking mostly to release our music online for free or donations. We don't expect many sales (if any) so giving the service a percentage cut is totally acceptable. We can also afford subscriptions fees if they are worth it.

2. It would be cool if we could also use this service as a web presence to sell physical products.

3. We're an epic doom band. I heard some of those services limit file size in their online players. We want the possibility of our longer songs being heard without sacrificing quality.

4. We're a Quebec (Canada) band. I get the impression some of those services are US-centric. I'd like something that is internationally-minded if possible.

5. I'm not into circle jerks and fake "communities" where you pretend to congratulate bands you don't give a shit about to give visibility to your band, beg for them to become virtual fans so you can climb a ridiculous chart or some shit. We're really more interested in how solid the player is, bug free, seamless integration with Facebook, forums, etc... the quality of the audio and the possibility of selling songs without getting a headache.

I know some people are present EVERYWHERE and have a website, Facebook, Bandcamp, Soundcloud, MySpace, CDBaby and everything else but I want to make it as easy as possible for me to keep track of all this, plus our goals are really not ambitious. Currently, I'm thinking a Facebook page will do, plus ONE of Bandcamp or Reverbnation. But I was wondering if anyone had opinions and experiences to share ?

Thanks in advance !
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:07 pm 
 

Just use CDBaby and Bandcamp. That will settle both physical releases and downloads. Reverbnation and SoundCloud are more for marketing and online presence but aren't really necessary. This coming from someone who doesn't give a toss if he never sold a single CD in his life, but thankfully has sold quite a few.

That said, a bigger online presence never hurt no one. Apparently HPGD Productions found Oshiego because some guy who found us on bandcamp mentioned something on the Decibel forums or website or whatever and the label boss happened to come across it while browsing and emailed us, leading to the eventual working relationship. I had emailed a few labels at that point but since this one practically fell into our laps, we ended up going with it.
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CloggedUrethra
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Location: Ontario, Canada
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:23 pm 
 

I've only used bandcamp out of the ones you listed, but I really like it. You can find out more about it here: http://bandcamp.com/help

1. You can buy music or download it for free with bandcamp, depending on what the artist wants. Bandcamp takes 15% of a digital sale and 10% of a merch sale (plus PayPal takes 2.9% + $0.30 of a sale). Bandcamp is free for artists to use, but you can pay for a premium service that gives you extras.

2. You can sell physical products on bandcamp, but they don't make them.

3. Bandcamp's max song size starts at 291 MB (that's over 20 minutes for a 16-bit 44.1KHz stereo wav file). Songs stream as 128kbps mp3s, but users buy/download the files in various high quality formats. Albums can be any length.

4. I think bandcamp works fine in Canada.

5. Bandcamp is pretty simple and easy to use. The player works fine I think, and you can integrate your bandcamp page on your facebook page somehow (should be in the help page or artist settings, etc).
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JohnTheDrummer
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:58 pm 
 

Facebook, Bandcamp, and ESPECIALLY YouTube are what I would recommend.

Bandcamp is simple, straightforward, people find your music depenind on what you tag it as/where you post, etc.

YouTube is especially great if you tag your video with all the proper tags that you know would get peoples attention if they are searching for something similar.

Reverbnation is cool, but its just a mess now and you really need to sit down with it and make sure you know what you're doing and how to use it properly. However!!!!!!!! Their song file size is insanely low, so don't expect to actually be "heard" for all that you are. My band has 7 minute long songs and I had to compress the file to such a low rate that it just sounds like absolute crap.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:41 am 
 

Thanks for all the answers, guys!

I finally decided to go for Bandcamp. I'll also have a Youtube channel and a Facebook page.

Good call on Youtube and thanks for reminding me! I kind of forgot about it but if I'm being honest, I use it a lot myself to sample bands because I'm so used to it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:55 pm 
 

I guess you already made your choice but I would also throw in my vote for Bandcamp. Really slick, simple interface, simple but effective player, huge file size limits (that go up to even larger sizes once you sell enough) and doesn't really have a bunch of unnecessary bells or whistles unless you want them.
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theneuromancer
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:04 am 
 

The best of these without a doubt (solely in terms of file size/length) is SoundCloud. As long as each individual track you upload is under 5G, you can upload up to two hours for free. It's really great that finally a site takes song length into consideration rather than file size, since it allows zero compromise for quality and makes it friendly for people who want to upload full live sets, classical music, or of course doom/prog metal.

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ShaolinLambKiller
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:47 am 
 

I'm glad to see you went with bandcamp. Soundcloud is more for presenting tracks you are working on and individuals working on their bedroom shit.

also what you are saying neuro.... bandcamp is still far better.
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CorpseFister
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:31 pm 
 

Yeah, bandcamp is a really useful site, it's worked nicely for my band. I like the way they do their profit sharing too- they take 15% but only after certain amount of sales so you don't get gouged if you only have a couple.

On soundcloud, like SLK said it's good for presenting individual tracks and it's useful for stuff like sending promo or embedding tracks in a blog posts but it's not really ideal for promoting a band as a whole. I still use it, but aside from that all you need is bandcamp, FB, and youtube.

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Nightwisher1990
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:01 am 
 

I agree that bandcamp is the best, but If you are working on demos on your own or something like that, the best way to share it with friends is soundcloud, since you can simply upload the demo mp3. But for serious promoting or maybe selling music Id' use bandcamp

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CF_Mono
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:03 pm 
 

Yeah final products and actual releases should go on bandcamp. Soundcloud is a nice network for individual musicians and occasionally record labels, but that's really it. Still can't hurt to have both.
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