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HellBentForLeather25
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:32 am 
 

Hello

I am starting right now to train my mixed voice. But the problem is that it dont sound any good. How can i do to improve my technique?

I did a cover of judas priest riding on the wind at first i tried to do it in falsetto sounded like shit. But now i made another. Any suggestions?

https://soundcloud.com/simonovhell/juda ... -attempt-2

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HellBentForLeather25
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:59 pm 
 

Hello

I have always been very shy/introverted sometimes i wont even talk if there is not any important thing to say. I have played with a couple of guys for over a years period. We play just for fun not to get famous or anything. The problem is they wont talk to me they joke around with themselves and i feel left out. It feels like sometimes i am not even there. I dont get feedback so often either. We havent even played out first show or recorded our first demo yet. And they have their own sense of humour which i dont understand its kinda nerdy humour. So i fake laugh to feel like i belong. I just hate the feeling that they ignore me because im too shy or too quiet. I mean i have aspergers and it has always been my personality. What shall i do?

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ShaolinLambKiller
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:49 pm 
 

That's cause you don't say anything. I'm not going to talk to the quiet dude. They probably think you are an asshole how are they supposed to know that's just how you are if you don't say anything about it.

But this really isn't something that MA can help you with. Go to a professional to deal with those mental issues.
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MawBTS
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:56 am 
 

Start an autistic metal band.

It could be interesting. Songs about trains and minecraft. Maybe have a rare pepe as your mascot.

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HellBentForLeather25
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:13 am 
 

Im not an asshole well that depends if i am sober or not hehe. But i have always been quiet. I never liked to talk.

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awheio
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:30 am 
 

SLK is right that you ought to consult a professional if possible. But still, I would always recommend against faking laughs in order to fit in. Not only is it just bad to be fake, but it might have bad consequences. For example, if they see you laughing when they joke, they might mistakenly think that you get the joke. Then they'll never know that you feel left out. If they knew, they might behave in a more inclusive way, especially if you looked downright left out. Or, otherwise, they might notice that you're posing, and people tend to not respond well to that.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:27 am 
 

Having had problems like that for a long time, I know the feeling, BUT "Why don't they talk to me?" is the worst, most harmful thinking a shy/introverted person can have (that's also what a professional will or should explain to you). SLK is indeed right, no one is going to talk to the quiet dude. The only way people are going to talk to you is if you talk to them. That's one of the most fundamental truths in life and the sooner you realise it the better your life will be.
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MawBTS
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:51 pm 
 

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The only way people are going to talk to you is if you talk to them. That's one of the most fundamental truths in life and the sooner you realise it the better your life will be.


He's probably had people telling him that since he was 5.

Socialising can be difficult when you have autism.

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TheMizwaOfMuzzyTah
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:05 am 
 

If they're making you uncomfortable when your playing its affecting your musicianship. You'd probably be better off starting a solo project and developing material on your own. And I used to have the hardest time socialising when I was younger too, but what helped me was playing solo acoustic sets at open mics and bars. Getting up and being that vulnerable and singing your heart out for an assemblage of strangers does wonders to boost confidence and make you more outgoing.

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HellBentForLeather25
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:51 pm 
 

Hello

Just to let you know i recorded this cover fast today for fun. I know my singing sucks and you probably think its a disgrace to Bathory. But infact im a huge Bathory fan and i just made this cover for fun. I just wanted to let you people say your honest opinion about this cover.

https://soundcloud.com/simonovhell/bloodfiredeath

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Apteronotus
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:33 pm 
 

Sounds like you are still getting used to singing with the light touch of rasp that will still let you carry a clear melody. I say this because your volume and clarity wavers quite a bit. Take you scream at around 3:36, that's much much louder than the approach you are usually doing.

Keep at it, maybe do a couple more and see how you improve. One last thing, why is the track in mono?
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HellBentForLeather25
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:10 am 
 

I couldnt make it in stero. But did it sound good?

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HellBentForLeather25
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:15 pm 
 

Hello

I made a really crappy iron maiden cover sung by me today.

And if it sounds crap you can say it i can take constructive critisicm.

In the song children of the damned bruce hits a b4. How can i reach it without feeling the need to push or strain?


https://soundcloud.com/user604861027/cr ... iden-cover

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jedimasterhassan
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:18 am 
 

i wasnt able to get the song to load, but it's possible that the note is out of your range. but if you're able to sing it in full voice (since i cant hear the song, i dont know if you sung it in full voice or in falsetto) then at least you're able to hit the note, which means you can train yourself to hit it easier. when you practice, try singing in different voices. alot of higher vocalists such as dickinson and halford, will go into a very nasal voice when they sing high in full voice, it's much easier to hit those notes with a more nasal tone. even if it doesn't sound that great, try it out when practicing and keep doing it until you get better at singing the notes in that voice thats what i've been doing for the past year or so and it's really improved my usable range

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HellBentForLeather25
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:20 pm 
 

Hello

Tomorrow is the bands first gig. I am the leadsinger and guitarist for the band. And i dont really know if it's a good idea to play this song because it is kinda hard to sing and i do not know if it sounds good or not. What do you think?

http://www.smule.com/p/713794929_492466125

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HellBentForLeather25
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:09 pm 
 

Hello

I have been hearing alot of talk from people saying i am untalented and should just quit music. Our band recently made our first song and we are putting on our first show in a week. I dont know if this sounds good to you but i am sharing it anyways. Enjoy.

https://soundcloud.com/simonovhell/new- ... unfinished

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MDL
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 4:32 pm 
 

First, the link you sent is dead.

Second, just don't care with those people opinion. Like, there are tons of bands that obviously suck and still are active and making music, because they're doing what they love and want. More than that, if the music is good or not, is just a matter of opinions. You're just in a beginning of your musician career, and yes, of course that good results might take some long time to appear, but you can't just drop out all the effort you put on your music so early.

Just keep working and you'll see that your band will grow up in a sustentable and successful way. It takes time, so, don't think that positive results will reach within some days.
All the best for you and good look for your project.

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HellBentForLeather25
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 5:02 pm 
 

Well yeah this sucks i sing off pitch. I love music and have played guitar and drums for years but i was never really good at making music.

https://soundcloud.com/simonovhell/new-metal-project

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Big_Grand
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 5:51 pm 
 

The writing is great, the playing fine, and overall it's all about your passion to play and perform. Don't let someone try and shove you off from something you enjoy because you don't fit their standards, because it's not about them, it's about you. Keep doing what makes you happy.

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HellBentForLeather25
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:24 am 
 

Big_Grand wrote:
The writing is great, the playing fine, and overall it's all about your passion to play and perform. Don't let someone try and shove you off from something you enjoy because you don't fit their standards, because it's not about them, it's about you. Keep doing what makes you happy.

Yeah thanks. I think about removing the vocals because i suck at singing. I may just use black metal type of vocals.

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Dethdude420
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 5:53 am 
 

No dude don't quit music man singing is a learning process. If you feel like you're struggling to sing the way you imagine in your head then maybe it is a good idea to spend a little more time working on your vocal techniques before you jump straight into the lead vocals position of a band. Have you ever tried any type of formal vocal training? Even though not technically METAL lol any type of traditional singing experience like a church or community theater singing group would help you a lot \m/ Don't ever let others get you down because for years I struggled with clean singing and now I am told often I have become pretty good so it's just a long learning process.

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HellBentForLeather25
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:46 am 
 

Yeah did u think i sounded shit?

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CorpseFister
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:28 pm 
 

HellBentForLeather25 wrote:
Our band recently made our first song and we are putting on our first show in a week.

Dude, everyone sucks at first. Keep at and you'll get better. And even when you do get better there will still be people who don't like what you do, so fuck 'em. The only reason to quit music is if you don't have the passion for it.

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RichardDeBenthall
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:13 am 
 

Music should first and foremost be a personal cathartic process. Like any artform. You do it because you love it, not because other people do. That comes later.

My point is you should never quit because you are worried about what other people think. I'm fairly sure that most metal contemporaries thought that the Norwegian musicians of the Second Wave of Black Metal could barely play. Now look what an influence they've had.

Venom are another good example. Critically reviled and laughed at by most contemporary metal fans (my dad and NWOBHM mates as a prime example). Yet they inspired a hell of a lot of Thrash, Death and Black Metal bands. They sub headlined Bloodstock festival in England this Friday.

Play on good sir, play on!

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ShaolinLambKiller
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:22 pm 
 

just do what you enjoy and forget about everyone else. Whatever people are complaining about look at it objectively and work on it if it is something that should be worked on. for example your vocals... you said people don't like them then take some singing lessons, practice more.... if you are offtime in playing... practice with a metronome and then practice more. That's what everything requires time and dedication. Giving up on it... that's not cause other people don't like it... you are giving up because you don't want to put the work in to make it better.
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droneriot
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:02 pm 
 

I agree with what RichardDeBenthall said.

Aside from Motörhead and Venom being universally panned as the worst bands in the world - after already having a record deal though - and then changing the face of metal forever, there's a ton of immensely popular and hugely influential bands that were beyond godawful at first, some even put out demos during that stage. Voivod couldn't play at all, Obituary sounded like a mongoloid wrote their first demo songs, hard to tell whatever is going on on the first Mayhem demo, most of the classic black metal bands released idiotic as fuck first demos, Sodom could play less than Voivod, Pentagram sounded like (probably were) heroin rock, Nile was a way below average groove metal band for whatever reason, Peter Steele put out retarded faux-70s rock, Celtic Frost started with those first two Hellhammer demos that are, you know, kinda terrible, and the Judas Priest demos, oh well.

I'll bet a pretty penny that all of those have probably been told to fucking quit their shit music at those points. And none of them did. The rest is history. ;)
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HellBentForLeather25
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:05 pm 
 

Music to me you should take 100 % seriously otherwise you destroy the magic in music and it's no point in creating music. I mean if you suck at singing and music why not just quit? Hearing music inside your head is not the same based upon what the audience hears so it can trick you. But i want to hear your opinion on my voice. Was it shit?

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ShaolinLambKiller
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:55 pm 
 

I'll have to go listen to it again. But you don't sound like you want to 100% take music seriously when your first idea to do to improve your vocals is just to fucking quit when someone told you that your vocals suck. If I remember to come on tonight i'll listen and tell you what I honestly think.
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stainedclass2112
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:02 pm 
 

A while ago you posted something about your band having a gig, and there was a link to you guys covering Screaming for Vengeance. Assuming that was you on vocals, that performance was pretty bad. BUT, that is a tough song to sing and you were covering one of the greatest vocalists of all time. You had the balls to go through with it and pull it off, plus, it sounds like you have a pretty awesome range. If you practice with your voice and hone those skills in, you might have your self one hell of a singing voice. Keep at it dude, and don't let yourself get frustrated. If you give up, you'll just be a bad singer who quit. If you keep trying, you'll conquer whatever doubts and challenges you've got and hopefully turn your voice into a force to be reckoned with.
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HellBentForLeather25
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:52 pm 
 

I maybe should sing this instead?

http://www.smule.com/recording/slayer-w ... _571017251

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:37 pm 
 

There we go! If that was you on vocals that time as well, then that was pretty badass. The sound quality was poor, but it sounded like you were putting effort into it. It seems like you might be better suited for stuff like that, in my opinion. Freakin' killer scream towards the end. It sounds like you're quite frustrated with yourself right now, maybe try your hand at some more heavier thrash and just go nuts with it. You might find that you're not only having more fun but also doing a killer job!
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HellBentForLeather25
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:18 pm 
 

Yes haha i have a little rasp in my voice makes it easier on the higher notes.
I just dont want to overdo it.

Here is a song i have been working with today. Hitting that C5 with a distorted voice is easier.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1WqTtSwsD4c

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ShaolinLambKiller
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 12:18 am 
 

listened to the slayer cover you just posted a bit ago. that sounds good. if anything work a bit with leveling out the power/delivery in timing. cause during a few parts you got quiet which might had been cause you were getting out of breath or maybe you moved back from the mic or whatever but naw that's good.
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RichardDeBenthall
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:15 am 
 

I can name hundreds of bands with awful vocals that I still enjoy listening to. It's all a matter of perspective. To use the Black Metal example again, probably 95% of music fans in the world would listen to most traditional Black Metal (think late 80's/early 90's) and think it was terrible.

People listen to music for a wide variety of reasons. Do what you enjoy.

However, all of the above being said, quality might well be a concern for someone who cares about their art. Quality again is a matter of perspective but is more difficult to describe soundly. I would suggest that you set yourself some goals as a musician, songwriter and singer. What do you want to achieve? When you have a goal in sight its much easier to ascertain whether your artistic output is contributing to your goal in a positive way!

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Angel_Cremation
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:51 am 
 

i'm not an autist but I am a douchebag. Trust me, it sucks being kicked out of bands even when they know they're going nowhere without you.

It gets better though. You gotta accept who you are and move forward accordingly. I'm glad I met my drummer at a suffocation show and casually said "nice dead congregation shirt" and we immediately respected each others tastes more than we were buds ...and also the fact that no one else in this area (dfw) does anything close to our kind of music besides 1 band formed of former members of my old band that humorously all hated me for different reasons haha, they suck though and I don't, so it makes me feel good. heres what i did tho.
Step0: dont suck
step1: learn to do everything you possibly can by yourself, and invest in the gear needed to do so
step2: the things you cant do, for example in my case drumming, find the smallest amount of people possible to help you get your albums out OR pay them for session work.

Hopefully you dont suck, because it sucks to suck.... Just my 2 cents on the issue.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:25 pm 
 

Angel_Cremation wrote:
i'm not an autist but I am a douchebag. Trust me, it sucks being kicked out of bands



lol, k.
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Lydster
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:11 pm 
 

Couldn't you find something else to talk about with your bandmates, so that you can bond with them when they aren't making the nerdy jokes? That way you won't seem as standoffish. I don't have much of a sense of humour either and I dislike joking around with people, but if I can find some kind of shared interest (usually a band or TV programme), I can manage to engage just about anyone in some kind of a conversation and show them I don't have any hostility towards them. I used to be socially anxious when I was younger, but as I got older I realised that most people are mainly focused on themselves and aren't that bothered if I say or do something stupid (that's if they even notice).

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bluwarguy
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:58 am 
 

MawBTS wrote:
Start an autistic metal band.


Avenged Sevenfold is already a thing, y'know.

Also,
Angel_Cremation wrote:
i'm not an autist but I am a douchebag.


Maybe don't be a douchebag and you won't get kicked out of your bands?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:14 pm 
 

Same guy as the should I quit music thread, I think he just thinks way too much. The band thing's something you figure out with years of experience, not hours of overthinking. Hell, some never do, Metallica needed a band therapist after over two decades together.
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