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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:08 am 
 

It's kind of hard to ask for help without a vid, but whatever. I made a black metal-ish riff and I wanted to know if black metal is generally down picked or alternate picked?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:28 am 
 

Whatever sounds best. I usually down pick anything that's slower than an 8th note triplet.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:29 am 
 

mattp wrote:
Whatever sounds best. I usually down pick anything that's slower than an 8th note triplet.
Ei...Eighth note triplet...?? :ugh: Don't be so technical with me, Matt, or my head will explode. Remember, i'm relatively new at guitar... XD
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:41 am 
 

An eighth note is one that is half of a beat. You know how you tap your foot in rhythm while listening to music? That's generally done once each beat. So, you'd play that note for half of that. A triplet, meanwhile, is a sequence of three eighth notes (usually) played as one beat instead of its normal length, which would be a beat and a half.

I don't know if you can read standard notation or anything, but that would probably help you. A lot. Plus, that's one of the least technical things in music... so if you're struggling with that, you'll have problems.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:43 am 
 

MercyfulSatyr wrote:
An eighth note is one that is half of a beat. You know how you tap your foot in rhythm while listening to music? That's generally done once each beat. So, you'd play that note for half of that. A triplet, meanwhile, is a sequence of three eighth notes (usually) played as one beat instead of its normal length, which would be a beat and a half.

I don't know if you can read standard notation or anything, but that would probably help you. A lot.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:22 am 
 

If it's a rhythm kind of thing, and you can play it at the proper speed, down picking almost always sounds better.

Eighth note triplet = gallop.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:16 pm 
 

Forrizzledog wrote:
If it's a rhythm kind of thing, and you can play it at the proper speed, down picking almost always sounds better.

Eighth note triplet = gallop.


Wrong. A triplet is not a gallop.

When you count music, you count 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4. These are quarter notes. A half note is when you count 1---3---1---3--- at the same speed. Whole notes are just 1-------1--------. 8th notes are 1-and-2-and-3-and-4-and.

A triplet is when you keep the same 1-2-3-4 pacing, but you count like this:

1-pu-let-2-pu-let-3-pu-let-4-pu-let. These are 8th note triplets, because you have three notes ( a triplet ) in the same time that a pair of 8th notes usually go. You can have quarter note triplets ( where three notes take the same time as 2 regular quarter notes ), half note triplets ( where three notes take the same time as 2 regular half notes ), etc...

For a good example of triplets, listen to "Cold" by At the Gates. The rhythm guitar has a very distinctive ONE-pu-let-TWO-pu-let-THREE-pu-let-FOUR-pu-let feel.

A gallop, on the other hand, is a pair of 16th notes ( 1-e-and-a-2-e-and-a etc. ) next to an 8th note, either before or after depending on feel. It is commonly mistaken for a triplet but that is wrong.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:28 pm 
 

mattp wrote:
Forrizzledog wrote:
If it's a rhythm kind of thing, and you can play it at the proper speed, down picking almost always sounds better.

Eighth note triplet = gallop.


Wrong. A triplet is not a gallop.

When you count music, you count 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4. These are quarter notes. A half note is when you count 1---3---1---3--- at the same speed. Whole notes are just 1-------1--------. 8th notes are 1-and-2-and-3-and-4-and.

A triplet is when you keep the same 1-2-3-4 pacing, but you count like this:

1-pu-let-2-pu-let-3-pu-let-4-pu-let. These are 8th note triplets, because you have three notes ( a triplet ) in the same time that a pair of 8th notes usually go. You can have quarter note triplets ( where three notes take the same time as 2 regular quarter notes ), half note triplets ( where three notes take the same time as 2 regular half notes ), etc...

For a good example of triplets, listen to "Cold" by At the Gates. The rhythm guitar has a very distinctive ONE-pu-let-TWO-pu-let-THREE-pu-let-FOUR-pu-let feel.

A gallop, on the other hand, is a pair of 16th notes ( 1-e-and-a-2-e-and-a etc. ) next to an 8th note, either before or after depending on feel. It is commonly mistaken for a triplet but that is wrong.


Are you serious? So a triplet sounds like BUM bada BUM bada BUM bada BUM bada BUM bada?

Because i've incorporated that in my riff O.o
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:31 pm 
 

An [equal] triplet is three notes played in the time of two. Often, patterns such as two 16th notes and an 8th note will be referred to a triplet, but that shouldn't be confused with the proper and equal triplet.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:32 pm 
 

Oh man, time signatures are NOT my thing...
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:36 pm 
 

PinkNmetal wrote:
Oh man, time signatures are NOT my thing...


Try out Power Tab and see how you can pair notes differently, it is a fairly easy to use and guitar-oriented software, plus it's free!

Compare a triplet of three 8th notes designated as a triplet, then two 16ths followed by an 8th (gallop!).

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:08 pm 
 

PinkNmetal wrote:
Are you serious? So a triplet sounds like BUM bada BUM bada BUM bada BUM bada BUM bada?

Because i've incorporated that in my riff O.o


I'm sure you use a lot of things you don't understand or know the names for ;)
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:53 pm 
 

Black Metal is pretty fucking diverse, just play what you think will sound good and scream over top of it..simple :P

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:43 am 
 

Hey Matt, Is Cold downpicked? I play it that way ,but it's pretty fast to play at speed!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:58 pm 
 

Forrizzledog wrote:
Eighth note triplet = gallop.


I see this a lot. Why do people say this? I've seen plenty of Iced Earth reviews that say things like "Schaeffer's riffs usually consist of fast triplets" and that sorta thing.

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thejestersgate wrote:
Hey Matt, Is Cold downpicked? I play it that way ,but it's pretty fast to play at speed!


Cold is right at that tempo where its too slow to comfortably alternate pick it and too fast to comfortably down pick it. I usually down pick it, just for that consistent sound, but DAMN is it difficult.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:05 pm 
 

Deucalion wrote:
Forrizzledog wrote:
Eighth note triplet = gallop.


I see this a lot. Why do people say this? I've seen plenty of Iced Earth reviews that say things like "Schaeffer's riffs usually consist of fast triplets" and that sorta thing.

Triplet = dikkidik
Gallop = dikkitah

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:54 pm 
 

mattp wrote:
thejestersgate wrote:
Hey Matt, Is Cold downpicked? I play it that way ,but it's pretty fast to play at speed!


Cold is right at that tempo where its too slow to comfortably alternate pick it and too fast to comfortably down pick it. I usually down pick it, just for that consistent sound, but DAMN is it difficult.


Cool man, I've always wondered that. That has always been my downpick chop building riff because I thought those guys were some crazy fast down pickers and I wanted to play like that! And people think master of puppets is fast, hahahahaha! Awesome bro!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:46 pm 
 

PinkNmetal wrote:
Oh man, time signatures are NOT my thing...


gotta learn that shit man.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:11 am 
 

MrAran wrote:
Deucalion wrote:
Forrizzledog wrote:
Eighth note triplet = gallop.


I see this a lot. Why do people say this? I've seen plenty of Iced Earth reviews that say things like "Schaeffer's riffs usually consist of fast triplets" and that sorta thing.

Triplet = dikkidik
Gallop = dikkitah


Triplet = Di di di Di di di...
Gallop = Di didiDi didi... / didiDi didiDi...

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:32 pm 
 

Olias wrote:
PinkNmetal wrote:
Oh man, time signatures are NOT my thing...


gotta learn that shit man.
I know... :ugh: Where do I start?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:37 pm 
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VMYpWuQH5Q

Around 1:15. Is that a gallop? A slow gallop?
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A teacher will help. If you look in the right places, it might not be too hard to find a teacher that likes the same Megadeth-style thrash you seem to like (if I remember correctly), but really, only one-on-one tutoring will do you any good, it's very hard to explain things ESPECIALLY time signatures over the internet.
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immortalshadow666 wrote:
A teacher will help. If you look in the right places, it might not be too hard to find a teacher that likes the same Megadeth-style thrash you seem to like (if I remember correctly), but really, only one-on-one tutoring will do you any good, it's very hard to explain things ESPECIALLY time signatures over the internet.
Yes, I have a teacher... I'll ask him :p
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PinkNmetal wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VMYpWuQH5Q

Around 1:15. Is that a gallop? A slow gallop?


That is a slow gallop.
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mattp wrote:
PinkNmetal wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VMYpWuQH5Q

Around 1:15. Is that a gallop? A slow gallop?


That is a slow gallop.
Oh okay... Finally got it!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:41 pm 
 

Thrashedtofuck wrote:
MrAran wrote:
Deucalion wrote:
Forrizzledog wrote:
Eighth note triplet = gallop.


I see this a lot. Why do people say this? I've seen plenty of Iced Earth reviews that say things like "Schaeffer's riffs usually consist of fast triplets" and that sorta thing.

Triplet = dikkidik
Gallop = dikkitah


Triplet = Di di di Di di di...
Gallop = Di didiDi didi... / didiDi didiDi...
single tongue, double tongue, whatever works...

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