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blasteroid
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:20 pm 
 

Hi,

I hope it's not a duplicated thread.

Having 3 of them, and it's an absolutely amazing effect, the guitar "buzzaw" sound IMO makes the swedish death metal scene very uniqe. Any owners/users?

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iamntbatman
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:08 am 
 

I have two of them and a couple of the Behringer clones. Sounds fucking amazing through my Peavey Transtube 2x12 + Carvin 4x12. It is something of a three-trick pony, though; it sounds great for tremolo, fast palm-muted chuggy riffs and sustained powerchords, but it starts kind of sounding like ass if you try to play full chords or arpeggios or faster non-muted powerchord riffs imo.
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Deathroll92
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:15 am 
 

Got a japanese one from 86, damn that pedal is amazing. Got myself a behringer copy in case if I have a problem with the boss during a live show or something. But I look forward to get another japanese one and also a taiwanese to compare them. I think I'll even make a collection, haha!
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ShaolinLambKiller
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:59 am 
 

I have a Jap made one. I love it and it was the soul reason I started doing Draug. and actually I got a great brittle black metal tone out of it on the first Vomitwolves ep. I actually ran it with no bass on the dirt channel of my ampeg with the gain on that turned about halfway. it was cold as fuck.
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Veld
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:32 pm 
 

Man, I've been looking for one for a long time. Never used one but I've heard they are quite the pedal. Now this Behringer copy you say, what is it called? Maybe I'd be able to purchase that model much easily.
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Zamorak
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:11 pm 
 

Veld wrote:
Man, I've been looking for one for a long time. Never used one but I've heard they are quite the pedal. Now this Behringer copy you say, what is it called? Maybe I'd be able to purchase that model much easily.

It's called the HM300, and I got mine for only about $25.
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Veld
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:21 pm 
 

Zamorak wrote:
Veld wrote:
Man, I've been looking for one for a long time. Never used one but I've heard they are quite the pedal. Now this Behringer copy you say, what is it called? Maybe I'd be able to purchase that model much easily.

It's called the HM300, and I got mine for only about $25.


No way, that's pretty damn cheap. I'll have to enquire around. Thanks.
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ShaolinLambKiller
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:57 am 
 

Yea I think brand fucking new they are only 30.

here you go, You are welcome

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Behringer-Heavy ... 3cdfd25b56
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:24 am 
 

$25 new on Musician's Friend:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/behringer-heavy-metal-hm300-distortion-guitar-effects-pedal
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tomcat_ha
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:04 pm 
 

i got a hm2 and a hm300. Love both very much.

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ShaolinLambKiller
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:13 pm 
 

that hm300 is the only thing worth a fuck that berhinger has put out.
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iamntbatman
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:05 pm 
 

That's not true. They also have a very good sounding FZ-2 (i.e. Electric Wizard circa Dopethrone) clone. I also have their Metalzone clone and it...sounds like a Metalzone, so could maybe be good for certain things.
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ShaolinLambKiller
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:11 pm 
 

Neither of those honestly sound that great. There are far better fuzzes for an Electric Wizard sound. and anything that's a clone of a metalzone is basically saying you cloned dogshit.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:21 pm 
 

The FZ-2 was pretty much 100% of E-Wiz's tone on Come My Fanatics... and Dopethrone. Like, if you just plug that pedal in and put it on the Fuzz 2 setting, it's instant E-Wiz. The fuzz tone on that channel is so overbearing and distinctive that I've tried it alongside all kinds of other stuff and it just utterly dominates the tone character.

I don't really like the Metalzone either but some people apparently do!

Anyway, my point is that the Behringer pedals, almost all of them being direct clones of more famous pedals, are mostly pretty neat so long as the pedal they're emulating is hard to find/expensive. They're not very durable (they're heavy plastic, not beefy metal construction like a Boss) but are a great way to be able to fuck around with really idiosyncratic sounds (or extremely close approximations, anyway) without having to shell out cash for vintage/expensive gear. Their non-pedal gear does suck pretty bad in my experience, though.
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ShaolinLambKiller
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:11 pm 
 

Yea some people also like garbage line 6. so there is no account for taste. If you don't like it and you know I don't like it don't even bother meantioning it.


And honestly I see what you are saying but You kinda just further proved my point correct.
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Chainsaw Omega
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 2:30 am 
 

Eh, the Behringer pedals overall sound just like what they are supposed to. I think I've mentioned it somewhere else on the forums, but I have 2 HM-2s, a HM300, and have used a couple other HM-2s for various things, and the HM300 I used sounded spot-on to the best sound hm-2 I used. In fact, i've had a bit of variance in quality among HM-2s themselves, so much so that it would lead me to believe the HM300 is on-par with the BOSS in terms of sound quality. As for components and build quality, definitely not in the same league. I would never gig or tour with an HM300. This assessment goes for pretty much any Behringer pedal I've compared to their original. The only one I felt was off enough to notice was their Ibanez TS9 copy.

As for sounds, I have been playing around with keeping the low and high knobs cranked, but turning the distortion knob all the way down. To my ears, this sounds like what Bloodbath does, especially listening to The Fathomless Mastery and their live set from Bloodstock. It still has the overall tone, but it has a throatiness to it, and it doesn't create the same level of oppressive feedback. In essence, this allows you to palm-mute and get more clarity out of your notes. It has its own vicious quality that I quite like, though to me, going the traditional balls-to-the-wall method still sounds best.

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Dragunov
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:48 am 
 

iamntbatman wrote:
The FZ-2 was pretty much 100% of E-Wiz's tone on Come My Fanatics... and Dopethrone. Like, if you just plug that pedal in and put it on the Fuzz 2 setting, it's instant E-Wiz. The fuzz tone on that channel is so overbearing and distinctive that I've tried it alongside all kinds of other stuff and it just utterly dominates the tone character.


Those guys also used 100-watt Sound City amps, so no, the FZ-2 is definitely not instant E-Wiz. It'll get you started though, for sure.

I traded my HM-2 for a linear power boost pedal and a noise suppressor. I never really used the HM-2 for the heavy distortion, I just used it to add a little bit of grit to a clean boosted signal. Worked surprisingly well, but I've got different shit that does that now, only better.
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iamntbatman
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:51 pm 
 

Sounds pretty much exactly like E-Wiz to me when you crank that Fuzz 2 setting. So much so that it basically sounded the same that I couldn't really change the character of the tone much at all by using it in conjunction with other distortions or fucking with amp gain or using different amps. Shit, Warhorse even used the same pedal to get that tone and they were playing through cheapo Crate solid states.
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ShaolinLambKiller
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:00 pm 
 

But Warhorse doesn't sound like Electric Wizard. Not just their songs, their tones still sound vastly different. I had just listened to both this week, so it's not just looking back.

Also what are you using that pedal on? cause honestly I just doubt that single pedal is all solve to get that Electric Wizard tone otherwise you would have far more bands sounding like that. Even Dopethrone who worships EW doesn't sound tonewise like EW.
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iamntbatman
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:03 pm 
 

Well E-Wiz ditched that pedal AFAIK for later albums where they had the resources to get the tube heads they wanted for that kind of tube tone worship. Maybe Dopethrone are going for later Electric Wizard tone but I can't say one way or the other because I haven't heard them.

Have you listened to Lord of Doubts? More Electric Wizard worship, and they get the tone perfect.

I've played the pedal through a couple different amps but usually through a Peavey Transtube.
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ShaolinLambKiller
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:08 pm 
 

I don't think they were going more for a later EW tone since they are named after Dopethrone....

Haven't heard of LoD. I really don't care for EW sounding bands. Hell I mainly only like listening to EW's Dopethrone album. Occassionally I bother with other albums but its just not something that really thrills me. I like Cough which does a good nod to EW but not totally sucking them off.


I like my doom nastier. if I'm going for band to worship another band... there needs to me more like Buried At Sea and as good as them.
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Nightwisher1990
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:13 pm 
 

I know that the real thing sounds way better, but is their any simulation for this ?

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iamntbatman
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:18 pm 
 

Amplitube 3 has a fake HM-2 that doesn't sound good at all.
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Nightwisher1990
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:29 pm 
 

I see, as I can remember I've once heard that some swedish OSDM bands used direct injection ? from the pedal into the mix ? that would sound really piercing, I wonder If anyone on the board has tried it or knows a band that used it :O

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:35 pm 
 

Amplitube has some nice sounds, the HM-2 version is not one of them. But blending 2 tones on Amplitube is the best way to go about it IMO.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:52 am 
 

Just adding to the FZ-2 debate slightly, my old band recorded this EP with an FZ-2 running through an Orange head, and a Behringer clone of it running through a Bogner Alchemist. Both sound very similar, and both sound very like Wizard.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:27 pm 
 

Sorta but not spot on enough to weigh it's a plug and play type of pedal.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:25 pm 
 

Yeah both of those heads have a ton of clean headroom, which helps that pedal shine through.
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banishedtolive420
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:31 am 
 

My current band uses the HM-2 as our backbone. I posted in the promotion forum but i'll put a link in here too. Let me know what you think about the tone. It's pretty different on both our releases.

http://www.fumingmouth.com

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ShaolinLambKiller
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:45 pm 
 

Very nice will have to get that ep^^
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:52 pm 
 

I own a Japanese HM-2 and recently ordered a Left Hand Wrath (It's basically just a HM-2 which is easier to handle since it has more versatility etc.) and used it for almost everything Including with my own band Nuclear Devastation (link: http://nucleardevastation.bandcamp.com /) ... also works nice with shoegaze (managed to get a MBV guitartone with it) and as a fuzz for more Sludge Metal related stuff

Anyhow.. here is a small list of Bands who use a HM02, still need to be update tho... feel free to take over this list and add more bands!

Abhorrence (Finland, Death Metal)
All Pigs Must Die (USA, Hardcore punk)
Black Breath (USA, Crust/Death/Thrash Metal)
Bloodbath (Sweden, Death Metal)
Carnage (Sweden , Death Metal)
Carnation (Belgium, Death Metal)
Disfear (Sweden, Crustpunk/D-beat)
Dismember (Sweden, Death Metal)
Doom (UK, Crustpunk)**
Ecocide (Netherlands, Death Metal)
Entombed (Sweden, Death Metal)
Entrails (Sweden, Death Metal
Entrapment (Netherlands, Death Metal)
Fester (Sweden, Death Metal)
God Macabre (Sweden, Death Metal)
Harm's Way (USA, Hardcore)
Massive Assault (Netherlands, Death Metal)
M.D.D. (Mexico, Metal/Crustpunk)
Moment Maniacs (Sweden, Crust/Metal)
My Bloody Valentine (Ireland, Shoegaze)*
Nails (USA, Powerviolence/Grind/Hardcore)
New Lows (USA, Hardcore)
Nihilist (Sweden, Death Metal)
Nirvana 2002 (Sweden, Death Metal)
Nuclear Devastation (Netherlands, Blackened Crust/Death/Thrash Metal)
Reign of War (Netherlands, Deathgrind)
Rotten Sound (Finland, Grindcore/Crust)
The Secret (Italy, Black/Sludge/Grind)
Skitsystem (Sweden, Crustpunk)
Sledgehammer Nosejob (Netherlands, Death metal/Crust)
Trap Them (USA, Grind/Hardcore)
Witch Trail (Belgium, Blackened Speed/Thrash Metal)
Wolfpack/Wolfbrigade (Sweden, Crustpunk/D-beat)

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* Not 100% sure, Just a rumor/something i've read...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:50 pm 
 

Draug (USA, Death Metal)
Vomitwolves (USA, Black/Death) ***


***only on first release
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:43 am 
 

To add to that list, Godflesh uses it for both bass and guitar, as far as I know.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:51 am 
 

Slint use one for some guitar parts.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:59 am 
 

Smothered uses HM-2 on guitars.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:46 am 
 

Entombed eventually stopped using it afaik.
That left hand wrath pedal looks really cool but as i already have a hm2 i dont just want to randomly buy a fancy pedal that expensive without fiddling with it first.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:56 am 
 

I dunno when I saw Entombed live a couple years ago Alex was rocking that HM-2 Rotten Sound shirt and they were definitely using them.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:10 am 
 

Godflesh's bass tone is fucking perfect, especially on the Peel Session. I want that bass tone forever.
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