Gorgoroth - Pentagram versions I have seen on the internet:

Lets start with the matrix: "DURECO TE 01"

There are two versions of this: one with silver centrum and another with a clear centrum. Both have the Embassy on the disc. It seems like the CD-print varies for the silver version, also the area around the matrix are some way different on this than other Dureco's I have seen.

The version with just band and title on the disc have "gorgoroth", no "Dureco" on this one.

There aslo exist a version with the logo on CD and with matrix "DOOM".

People who have bought this around 94' which version did you got? I guess some of these are bootlegs/later versions or whatever.

DURECO matrix is obviously an official release, and the first press. This was the copy I had that I sold. It has the goat and embassy logo on the disc I "think".

I would say that the DOOM matrix is a bootleg if that is all it includes. A label would have some form of catalogue number for their release on there so that the plant would know which discs are for which release.

"DURECO matrix is obviously an official release, and the first press. This was the copy I had that I sold. It has the goat and embassy logo on the disc I "think"."

Those with "DURECO" always have the goat/Embassy logo on the disc as I know, never seen one without.



"I would say that the DOOM matrix is a bootleg if that is all it includes. A label would have some form of catalogue number for their release on there so that the plant would know which discs are for which release."

Yes, I have suspected that myself, there is a good chance that "DOOM" and "Gorgoroth" are bootlegs.

Also the Dureco with silver centrum is a bit "mysterious".


I didnt bought that album in 94', but a few years back, I used to have the Malicious Records version before, and now I have two on the Embassy, "DURECO TE01" with silver centrum and "gorgoroth" with no goat or embassy logo.

Maybe I have bought myself two bootlegs. LOL

I don't think that it is mysterious, all DURECO DSP CDs had a silver centre unless I am mistaken. The one I had is the myterious version you speak of, and I know for a fact it was the first press as I had researched a lot into it before I bought it originally due to this exact debate. I think the clear one is a second press (or a cheaper extra first press to make more numbers of the CD fast).

The DOOM from having a quick look is a load of old bollocks bootleg.

Has anyone seen the new Greek DSP bootleg LPs by the way? It seems many people on eGay are being fooled by them and buying them.

You have a point there, the reason I think its mysterious is the area around the matrix:





Burzum CD's have clear centre as I can see, I dont think that matters.

Aske:



Mactätus - Blot:

Good point. Looking at it now, I had the second CD down of the Gorgoroth CD. The other could either be a bootleg (which isn't that likely) or a cheaper second pressing.

The second one looks very much like a real deal.

Yes, it is possible the other one is a second press.

Someone who know where the "gorgroth" press without embassy on disc came from? Is it old/new/original/boot?

I have the version with only "GORGOROTH" being the matrix code. It is definitely an original as I bought it in a reliable metal shop on the date of the release.
With that being said, this version is also a firstpress without knowing if the other versions have been available the same day.

The one without the Embassy logo on the disc itself is a bootleg possibly done by No Colours Records (they sold it, at least).

"I have the version with only "GORGOROTH" being the matrix code. It is definitely an original as I bought it in a reliable metal shop on the date of the release."

Very interesting, I bought this from a person few years back, he also claimed he bought it when it recently came out. He also had lot of first presses from the same time.

I have a CD with the "DOOM"-Matrix. I asked the guy who had it before. He said that he buyed it several years ago from another person... what a pity - not more information.

- Longo

I used to have cds with "GORGOROTH" and "DOOM" matrixes. In comparision to "DOOM" "GORGOROTH" looked like pure boot, with shifted matrix and not clearly printed booklet.

Just noticed that "DOOM" and mysterious "DURECO" have a bit huge embassy logo comparing to accurate ones on Vlad Tepes cds


I've never seen genuine "DURECO" cd, but according to discogs it seems to have no logo at all

"I used to have cds with "GORGOROTH" and "DOOM" matrixes. In comparision to "DOOM" "GORGOROTH" looked like pure boot, with shifted matrix and not clearly printed booklet. "

-"GORGOROTH" have another type of paper, a more "rough" type than "DOOM".


"Just noticed that "DOOM" and mysterious "DURECO" have a bit huge embassy logo comparing to accurate ones on Vlad Tepes cds"

-The original have also a huge logo:



"I've never seen genuine "DURECO" cd, but according to discogs it seems to have no logo at all"

-The CD without logo have "GORGOROTH". There are tree different versions on Discogs. Just look closer to the picture of the matrix code, you can see a part of the Embassy logo in the ring.

Yes, you're absolutely right genuine "DURECO" is with logo and it's also huge. I was just confused with the bunch of pics on discogs without any order.


What about your matrix, is it a bit shifted down?

I just remember that inside booklet and on the back cover of "GORGOROTH" cd text in some places was almost unreadable. Although front cover print looked fine. Unfortunately i can't provide detailed pics as both my copies are gone long ago. Only one photo remained

Heres the one I have with DURECO

"Yes, you're absolutely right genuine "DURECO" is with logo and it's also huge. I was just confused with the bunch of pics on discogs without any order."

-I can understand that.

"What about your matrix, is it a bit shifted down?"

-Im gonna check that, but youa re probably right. im out of town right now.

-The pictures I have posted are just found different places at the internet, i don't have a camera that work now. (maybe Asti78 or some others with that version can give us some pics?)

"I just remember that inside booklet and on the back cover of "GORGOROTH" cd text in some places was almost unreadable. Although front cover print looked fine. Unfortunately i can't provide detailed pics as both my copies are gone long ago. Only one photo remained"

-Yes, there you have it. I guess you are reffering to the white letters on the whtite background, yes they can be little hard to read , (both of my versions are liket hat, but again, I can't guarantee they are genuine) I have never seen the "genuie dureco" or the "DOOM" in real life, it is possible they have better prints.

Yupp, this looks like the original version.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/GORGOROTH-Pentag ... 337949a4f1

A "DOOM"-version with promosheet? According to this promosheet, this CD is limited to 1000 copies and the "DOOM"-version is the real first press? Or it's just a fake?

~ Longo

Fake, not the item on the picture.

Pictures are from this site:
http://the-metal-collection.blogspot.no ... -1994.html

This is the Dureco CD (with silver ring).

I also found a discussion here:

http://www.nwnprod.com/forum/viewtopic. ... e15c810ab3

(Not mine btw, im not a member on NWN)

This IS the original version! I own a copy of this C.D., i bought it in 1994 from Embassy/Phil Galliano, so I'm sure it's the original first press (with matrix Dureco TE 01)

The one with "Gorgoroth" on the CD inner ring is a total bootleg. The booklet is indeed unreadable on the inside, and the CD looks cheap. I had it but sold it. The one I own now has "Doom" on it and is practically identical to the one with Dureco. Not sure which is the first and second pressing though...

I checked my copy at home, which I bought from a distro back then, and it's the DURECO with silver centrum. So I can vouch for it that at least that version is legit. Ofcourse all the others can be legit as well, I really don't know. I also have no clue to the order of the legit presses, mine could be a first press, but might as well not be. Hope this helps.

Due to the year/date the DURECO plant stopped pressing CDs, it must be the first press, and the DOOM matrix was used later on.

This album came out autumn 1994, not very likely that it was pressed 3-4 official versions before Malicious Records released it in (early?) 1996. If it hasn't been for Asti78 and some others saying they bought the "GORGOROTH" version right after it release, I would say both DOOM and GORGOROTH are bootlegs, probably made somewhere between the original Embassy press and the Malicious press.

DOOM and GORGOTOH "matrix codes" really looks suspicious. No company name, catalogue number or codes, just a word/artist name.

"Due to the year/date the DURECO plant stopped pressing CDs, it must be the first press, and the DOOM matrix was used later on."

I find it reasonable to asume that the first and only official pressing are the dureco one. If embassy prod would have made a 2nd press, they probalby would have used the same plant, dureco, like they did on their other releases between 1994 and 1996 (vlad tepes (1995), mactatus (1997)) or CDV (Vlad/Belkètre split (1995)) and maybe they did, because there are two slightly different dureco pressings. Matrices like "DOOM" and "GORGOROTH" are not very common on official CDs (atleast thats my impression) and none of the other CDs released by Embassy have this kind of matrices.

In another hand Gorgoroth pentagram was their first release, and it could be possible they made a limited press short time before they started to use dureco/cdv (Asti78 said he got the GORGOROTH press on the date of the release, I guess he have no reason to lie about this), but obscure plasma also said he got his dureco already in 1994, but how soon after the release.

Kristenhat666: Did you have them both on the same time? Did you compared the sound quality?