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droneriot
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:56 am 
 

"Death Magnetic" is supposed to be retro, too.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:14 am 
 

Damn it, y'all are gonna make me listen to it to see if it's as bad as you say. :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:17 am 
 

Boy there's been a lot of confusion and buttrage here the last few days. People getting bent out of shape over a 72% review (the horror!) and then the review's author comes and calls the detractors closed minded kids, FMA getting publicly thrashed and then calling out other reviewers as pseudo-intellectual assfaces, h_u being ganged up on for his review on the new Manowar and responding in a way that makes him look like a jerk, et cetera. Boy, you guys should have seen the rejected review calling None So Vile the first deathcore album.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:22 am 
 

BastardHead wrote:
Boy there's been a lot of confusion and buttrage here the last few days. People getting bent out of shape over a 72% review (the horror!) and then the review's author comes and calls the detractors closed minded kids, FMA getting publicly thrashed and then calling out other reviewers as pseudo-intellectual assfaces, h_u being ganged up on for his review on the new Manowar and responding in a way that makes him look like a jerk, et cetera. Boy, you guys should have seen the rejected review calling None So Vile the first deathcore album.


Yeah, the proceedings are getting a bit awkward, not to mention the FMA gang-up that went on in the oven fodder one. I apologize for starting the Voice of Steel rage, that was just my fanboy gut reaction. :D I'd like to see some more constructive stuff here, too.

Man, what a field day that None So Vile review would have been...

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ralfikk123
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:54 am 
 

Let's just get rid of the numerical scores, and substitute it with Favorable, or Non favorable.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:00 pm 
 

And if you don't have feelings for the album on either end of the spectrum, then don't bother submitting a review.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:02 pm 
 

Well if you don't care for an album, whats really the point of reviewing it in the first place? That's not really the case for all, but just a thought. Atleast it would eliminate some bickering.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:05 pm 
 

The problem really isn't with the scores, it's with the opinions that come bundled up with them. And even then, it's not really a problem at all, so why not let people bicker about the reviews? They're not hurting anyone - it's just discussion, which is the purpose of this thread.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:11 pm 
 

BastardHead wrote:
Boy there's been a lot of confusion and buttrage here the last few days. People getting bent out of shape over a 72% review (the horror!) and then the review's author comes and calls the detractors closed minded kids, FMA getting publicly thrashed and then calling out other reviewers as pseudo-intellectual assfaces, h_u being ganged up on for his review on the new Manowar and responding in a way that makes him look like a jerk, et cetera. Boy, you guys should have seen the rejected review calling None So Vile the first deathcore album.


You know, while I don't think there's a lot of substance to a lot of these arguments (even on my own part just to be consistent), at least people are talking. I haven't been posting on the forums much anymore because things have been kind of dead around here.

And by the way, I've noticed a good deal of renewed productivity in the approval of reviews since you've been elevated to mod my good Bastard sir. Excellent work. :thumbsup:
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:14 pm 
 

A guy giving The Voice of Steel a lower rating than what you would give it shouldn't affect you in the least, just the way none of the reviews on here or elsewhere on the internet should. I absolutely worship that album but that review didn't bother me at all. I read it and while I disagree with most of the points he makes, I just moved on. I'd consider my self a fanboy when it comes to that record but after the initial 2-second shock where you can't believe that the average has been lowered from 99% to 95%, you must realize that nothing has really changed and that your enjoyment of the music will still be the same.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:14 pm 
 

Yeah, the review sub-forum has been a bit more active recently, which is nice. For quite a while, there were entire days passing between each post at times, which is a shame as I find this one of the most interesting parts of the site.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:18 pm 
 

I should point out that I don't actually dislike all this bickering, it's nice to see the review subforum getting some traffic for a change.

And thanks, h_u! I took the day off yesterday but I'm back at it today. Gimme a month and I'll be just as bitter and misanthropic as Gaunt.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:28 pm 
 

BastardHead wrote:
And thanks, h_u! I took the day off yesterday but I'm back at it today. Gimme a month and I'll be just as bitter and misanthropic as Gaunt.


There are some benefits to the bitterness side of reviewing reviews, especially when dealing with genuine pieces of garbage. It may also provide you with a heightened sense of appreciation for those rare gems that gain your 8 point approval.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:35 pm 
 

It's good having Bastard as a review mod, I can always try to sway his opinion :)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:57 pm 
 

hells_unicorn wrote:
BastardHead wrote:
Boy there's been a lot of confusion and buttrage here the last few days. People getting bent out of shape over a 72% review (the horror!) and then the review's author comes and calls the detractors closed minded kids, FMA getting publicly thrashed and then calling out other reviewers as pseudo-intellectual assfaces, h_u being ganged up on for his review on the new Manowar and responding in a way that makes him look like a jerk, et cetera. Boy, you guys should have seen the rejected review calling None So Vile the first deathcore album.


You know, while I don't think there's a lot of substance to a lot of these arguments (even on my own part just to be consistent), at least people are talking. I haven't been posting on the forums much anymore because things have been kind of dead around here.

And by the way, I've noticed a good deal of renewed productivity in the approval of reviews since you've been elevated to mod my good Bastard sir. Excellent work. :thumbsup:

My purpose by making this little attack about your Manowar review was to create a discussion and it was a success. This should happen more often!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:15 pm 
 

ralfikk123 wrote:
Well if you don't care for an album, whats really the point of reviewing it in the first place? That's not really the case for all, but just a thought. Atleast it would eliminate some bickering.

To let others know that the music contained within doesn't spark any emotion and is, most likely, not worth listening to?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:05 am 
 

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Yes, his taste is incredibly poor, not is his writing exactly praiseworthy.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:33 pm 
 

BastardHead wrote:
Boy there's been a lot of confusion and buttrage here the last few days. People getting bent out of shape over a 72% review (the horror!) and then the review's author comes and calls the detractors closed minded kids, FMA getting publicly thrashed and then calling out other reviewers as pseudo-intellectual assfaces, h_u being ganged up on for his review on the new Manowar and responding in a way that makes him look like a jerk, et cetera. Boy, you guys should have seen the rejected review calling None So Vile the first deathcore album.


People take numbers way too seriously. Out of the countless comments I've heard about my review of Illud Divinum Insanus, not a single one has been about the text of it, every single one has been about the rating. The sole exception is a brief conversation with Abominatrix to clarify that I was serious, and noting that a key part of the review was describing it as "self-indulgent". Someone criticized me for rating Satanity's demo way too high, at a whopping 31% - I think that was one of my most entertaining reviews in recent memory.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:31 am 
 

Well Zodi, 90% on the new The Haunted? I didn't see that one coming... :p

Nah, the writing is actually good so I'll just talk about the score. I do understand why some would like the album and I've somewhat implied that on my review of it, although it isn't one of my brightest moments. I wouldn't expect that someone would rate it that high though.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:45 am 
 

The title track is easily the best thing about Theater of Salvation. ;) Love that song. Figured hells would too, but eh, guess he likes different things about that sort of style.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:03 am 
 

Empyreal wrote:
The title track is easily the best thing about Theater of Salvation. ;) Love that song. Figured hells would too, but eh, guess he likes different things about that sort of style.


It just runs a little too long for its own good and lingers a little too long on the weaker ideas of the song. He got the gist of that style of song better on the Avantasia albums. If I had to rate the title song independent of the rest of the album, it would get a 7.5/10.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:13 pm 
 

Since it was mentioned on the last page, the most 0% reviews given by a reviewer are:
hells_unicorn: 19/1794
droneriot: 16/157
autothrall: 13/3314
Empyreal: 12/578
Perplexed_sjel: 11/921
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Zodijackyl: 8/92

I might have missed a few.

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Well Zodi, 90% on the new The Haunted? I didn't see that one coming... :p

Nah, the writing is actually good so I'll just talk about the score. I do understand why some would like the album and I've somewhat implied that on my review of it, although it isn't one of my brightest moments. I wouldn't expect that someone would rate it that high though.


I think I explained it pretty well. It's a good album and not what I expected from them. I took a while after first hearing it (when it was released) to review it.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:21 pm 
 

So I stumbled across this: http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/C ... lsAreGlass

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Lyric wise, this band is something of a surprise, as a lot of imagination and effort has clearly gone into catering the standard death metal subjects and can occasionally serve as a remedy for lack of individuality. Unfortunately, the singers guttural growling can make most of the lyrics near impossible to understand at parts and thus a lot of them loose most of their significance.

:| Has this person listened to death metal before in his life?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:11 am 
 

Eh. One can appreciate death metal and still hold a dislike for the style of vocals used by Condemned. All DM vocals are pretty guttural, but they're generally understandable given a bit of time with the genre. Toneless and unenunciated gurgles, on the other hand, will have you staring at the lyric sheet in disbelief for quite a while.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:25 am 
 

I can obviously understand disliking the vocals themselves, but death metal never was a genre where you could understand the lyrics by just listening to the album without reading the accompanying booklet. Besides that, it's not like lyrics lose their value when they can't be verbally intepreted - sheesh, read them out loud yourself if it bothers you so.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:33 am 
 

Sputnik reviewers review all kinds of music. Some of those people probably hate metal, though. I remember that one reviewer gave a black metal demo a 0 because he hated the lo-fi production and the vocals. Probably never knew that's what makes it black metal. :wink:
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oogboog wrote:
lo-fi production [...] that's what makes it black metal.

Wat.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:22 pm 
 

droneriot wrote:
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lo-fi production [...] that's what makes it black metal.

Wat.


Yeah, as if the vocal style, atmosphere, and guitar riffing style have no input on how the genre sounds. I hate it when people generalize like that. :nono:
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:00 am 
 

Alright, so the guy used hyperbole when he should've said "lo-fi production is a common black metal trope." It's not like nitpicking at it invalidates his point (which may or may not be correct, mind you; I've never read the review in question).
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:59 pm 
 

Sorry, but that actually one of the maybe 3 topics of the review. Now that I remember it more, the band was more of a combination of black metal and noise. The reviewer was complaining that he couldn't distinguish between the instruments, and he hated the vocals. The demo ended up getting a zero in addition to that.
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I really enjoyed Metal_Detector's review of Bound By Entrails most recent album. Having reviewed the same album and given it the same score (100%), I think he described it very eloquently while having minimal overlap with my words for the album, and he described it better than I did. It's interesting to read a review by someone who found all the words you couldn't find to describe an album.

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Zodijackyl wrote:
I really enjoyed Metal_Detector's review of Bound By Entrails most recent album. Having reviewed the same album and given it the same score (100%), I think he described it very eloquently while having minimal overlap with my words for the album, and he described it better than I did. It's interesting to read a review by someone who found all the words you couldn't find to describe an album.


:O Wow, thanks Zodi! It's always nice to have some positive feedback from one of the regular reviewers, especially someone who also reviewed the same album and loved it as much as I did. But hey, it's all thanks to you that I (and many others) ever even heard this album/band. Stuff like that really makes me wonder about all the brilliant indie releases I've missed...

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I would never give that album 100% but it was, in fact, a good review. You have a pretty good style, niggalo.
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http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/H ... alAttorney

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The melodic singing style almost sounds like a Christian band


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Necroticism174 wrote:
I would never give that album 100% but it was, in fact, a good review. You have a pretty good style, niggalo.


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SwarteHeap wrote:
FullMetalAttorney wrote:
Though their name means "Heimdall's Watch," I can't help but think "wacht" sounds like a slang term for a vagina. Heimdall, of course, is supposed to be male, so it would be surprising to find out he's packing a complete set of male and female parts. That would be about as surprising as some of the unexpected elements in the band's music.

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An uncanny pairing, Ozzy. :lol:

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RageW's review of Death's Human :(
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Necroticism174 wrote:
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Ugh, have a negative opinion, fine, but the whole hater hatin' thing is so lame. Now I'll read the review...
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