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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:23 pm 
 

RapeTheDead wrote:
Noktorn writes better reviews than all of you and you're all just jealous..


Bullshit. This is the mindset that I don't understand, and it doesn't apply exclusively to Noktorn.
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BastardHead
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:37 pm 
 

10000% positive that he's goofing around with that line. I agree with everything else he said though. As a writer, Noktorn was fantastic and he has a huge body of work that people seem to like crapping on because of the handful of outliers.
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Empyreal
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:40 pm 
 

Noktorn's Morbid Angel reviews are some of my favorites on the site. He was definitely a very good reviewer if nothing else.
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RapeTheDead
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:00 pm 
 

BastardHead wrote:
10000% positive that he's goofing around with that line.


i like noktorn so much i co-opted his sense of humor
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Smoking_Gnu
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:43 pm 
 

Incidentally, even at his most pedantic, his reviews never really descended into the sophistic navel-gazing that you tend to see on dmu these days.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:38 pm 
 

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The point is, every last one of us, I guarantee you, can look back at their early stuff from the first year or two of reviewing and cringe themselves inside out. We all sucked, but we all sucked together and got good together.


Yeah, most of us did. I have a hard time reading my reviews when I first joined this site (early '05 - ones that I haven't since at least rewritten a little bit anyway). I mean, since I'd been outta touch for about eight years, not only was I way outta practice, but I'd underestimated how knowledgeable many people had gotten of underground metal during this time in so far that I instinctively found myself delving into unnecessary details and/or track-by-track description usually reserved for writing to neophytes. I'd also underestimated how much the scene had grown.

My really early stuff circa. '87 is horrendous.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:19 pm 
 

Despite being a pretentious, pompous try-hard, often having questionable taste, being consistently self-congratulatory as well as a drug-addicted proto-Blake Judd, Noktorn was definitely the best reviewer in the history of the site.
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Lich Coldheart
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:00 pm 
 

Forgive my ignorance, but did Varg actually play bass on De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas?

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Napalm_Satan
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:03 pm 
 

Yes he did. He went under the pseudonym 'Count Grishnackh'.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:04 pm 
 

There's a statement in the album's additional notes that clarifies that:

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The murder of Euronymous by Varg Vikernes happened right before the initial release of the CD. Accordingly, the family of Euronymous asked Hellhammer to remove all bass lines from the album, because Varg's contribution didn't deserve to be on the CD, in their opinion. Hellhammer promised that he would replace bass lines with his own, but he didn't know how to play bass, so the CD was left with Varg's bass lines, although not heard as well as the other instruments because of it being lowered.
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Lich Coldheart
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:08 pm 
 

Napalm_Satan wrote:
Yes he did. He went under the pseudonym 'Count Grishnackh'.

Oh, fuck. I should've noticed that... yeah, I should've noticed it... :oh shit:

Derigin wrote:
There's a statement in the album's additional notes that clarifies that

Yeah... I feel a bit ashamed right now for asking. :ugh:
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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:25 pm 
 

It's a learning process, no worries dude.
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caspian
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:06 am 
 

dystopia4 wrote:
Despite being a pretentious, pompous try-hard, often having questionable taste, being consistently self-congratulatory as well as a drug-addicted proto-Blake Judd, Noktorn was definitely the best reviewer in the history of the site.


Yeah, I totally agree. No one matched him on a regular basis.

Incidentally, re: the Blake Judd-ish shenanigans he engaged in, well, he paid me back a year or two what he owed me, and it was a significant sum. Seems like he got into the army and cleaned up. I like to think that he's done the same in terms of paying other people back too. Always liked the guy.
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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 9:13 am 
 

An irritating trend I've noticed with today's writers is this need to add rambling, self-referential "prologues" to nearly all of their reviews. So many submissions are unnecessarily bloated by one, sometimes two full paragraphs of this stuff.
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Sepulchrave
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 1:51 pm 
 

No offence (and I agree) but haven't you said this already?
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Lich Coldheart
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 2:00 pm 
 

Apparently, the reviewers in question did not get it from the first time.
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Sepulchrave
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 2:07 pm 
 

Fair enough!
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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 2:41 pm 
 

Sepulchrave wrote:
No offence (and I agree) but haven't you said this already?


Probably.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:49 am 
 

He probably has but it's important to remind BastardHead that not every review needs to start with a paragraph about his 'career' as a reviewer. :P
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hakarl
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:25 am 
 

Acrobat wrote:
He probably has but it's important to remind BastardHead that not every review needs to start with a paragraph about his 'career' as a reviewer. :P

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:37 am 
 

I'm a self referential narcissist and I take full responsibility for young reviewers adopting this habit of mine.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:18 am 
 

BastardHead wrote:
I'm a self referential narcissist and I take full responsibility for young reviewers adopting this habit of mine.

So if you're the Meshuggah of MA, shouldn't we ban all those new reviewers even if they're inspired by you?
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XcKyle93
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 12:29 am 
 

HeySharpShooter's recent review of Le dernier crépuscule is borderline oven fodder. He spends slightly more than one paragraph actually describing the music. The rest reads more like an angry old metalhead's diatribe. "Get off my metal you damn kids!" :old:

http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/C ... oter/81385
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 6:43 pm 
 

Metantoine wrote:
BastardHead wrote:
I'm a self referential narcissist and I take full responsibility for young reviewers adopting this habit of mine.

So if you're the Meshuggah of MA, shouldn't we ban all those new reviewers even if they're inspired by you?


By extension would that make UltraBoris (ironically enough) the Metallica of MA reviewers?
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hakarl
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 3:27 am 
 

The review that killed reviewing!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:23 pm 
 

XcKyle93 wrote:
HeySharpShooter's recent review of Le dernier crépuscule is borderline oven fodder. He spends slightly more than one paragraph actually describing the music. The rest reads more like an angry old metalhead's diatribe. "Get off my metal you damn kids!" :old:

http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/C ... oter/81385


Funny thing is, I am pretty much the opposite of a grandpa metalhead. My cynicism is far less trve.

More :wanker: than :old: metalfag

Also, I feel I got the point across pretty clearly. Its a deeply cynical review for a deeply cynical album

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If there's anything wrong with it, it's that the description of the album itself is pretty low and mostly just says it sounds like other bands, but it's still totally fine. I get the point he's making and generally agree with it 95% of the time. I don't know why, but for some reason, Chthe'ilist just seems to work for me. Most Demilich wannabes go in one ear and out the other, and I absolutely don't disagree that they're essentially trying to sound like every Finnish DM band ever, but the songwriting is solid enough for me to not care for once. *shrug*
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:46 am 
 

Diamhea's drawing close to the remarkable number of 666 written reviews. :D
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:16 pm 
 

I think he only listened to it once today and wrote the review off that.

Garbage review either way though. Utterly surface level analysis of the music. Comparing it to a funeral doom album like Ahab's debut (apples and oranges, honestly) and then going on about how there's not enough progression and variety in the songwriting, as if there has to be a speed metal song and a power ballad to be good...I dunno, really not good, man.
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Empyreal wrote:
as if there has to be a speed metal song and a power ballad to be good.

The best part is that Monotheist actually has its own version of those archetypes with "Ain Elohim" being the fast paced crusher and "Obscured" being the emotional gothic ballad. Both are big highlights of that album.
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Yeah, that's true too. The riffs may be simple but Tom and the guys knew how to construct a good album.
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Lich Coldheart
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If you don't mind me asking, what are some 8-point reviews? Studying some of those wouldn't hurt at all.
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Lich Coldheart wrote:
If you don't mind me asking, what are some 8-point reviews? Studying some of those wouldn't hurt at all.

I have one or two; apparently this is the best one: http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/V ... yan/125948

It isn't particularly well written, but there's a fuckload of description. That usually works. :P
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:45 am 
 

Thanks. I'll be reading it carefully.
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Lich Coldheart
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Droneriot In League with (Napalm) Satan.
http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/C ... riot/16199
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:53 am 
 

Man, Monotheist is taking such a bashing recently. A lot of what attracted me to metal in the first place is that the guitars sounded really cool, and a decently written/constructed album that sounds awesome is absolutely what I want to hear. Sure it's 'superficial', but I don't want to listen to Onwards to Golgotha played on a fucking tuba or something. Also, there's clearly no point to ambient music since it doesn't have sick riffs. /hyperbole

But know know, opinions and whatever.

also lol@ NS - "Triptykon, that shitty goth band that Tom started"
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Eh, wouldn't agree with drone's review either but at least he's actually talking from some place of knowledge and has clearly actually analyzed what he hates about it in a better manner.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:57 am 
 

Napalm Satan's take on Monotheist is the perfect example of the kind of tossed-off, first-listen-race-to-keyboard kind of bullshit review that is killing this archive. I don't usually take umbrage at reviews I totally disagree with if they are thoughtfully written and well-executed, closer to droneriot's review, which I also disagree with but he crafts better points.

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After making music better than Sloth and having political views better than Donald Trump, the next goal was to write better reviews than Napalm_Satan. Second worst for life! :metal:
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