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SymphonyXFan
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:30 pm 
 

I wanted to call attention to this review of Job For A Cowboy's album Genesis, in which the reviewer makes a comparison between Behemoth and JFAC.

"So after Job For A Cowboy finished the 'Doom' EP, which was pretty mediocre (if wildly popular) deathcore, they decided to drop the metalcore influences almost entirely and go for a pure modern death metal sound, which essentially means that they do their best to make a modern Behemoth album and succeed about halfway. Apparently the band is much better at cloning Behemoth than they are at making deathcore, because 'Genesis' is substantially better than the debut EP in just about every respect. I didn't think that the metalcore influences were a particularly bad thing on their own, but they were shoehorned into what were fairly standard, moderately technical death metal. It's good to see them just go for the latter, where their strengths lie.

'Genesis' literally is just 'Demigod'-era Behemoth with a tech death flair, meaning that there are occasionally notes above the ninth fret on guitar. They're few and far between though, and most of it is bombastic, crushing guitar riffs in the latter-era Behemoth style with a similarly dogmatic drum performance. The vocals are obviously not Nergal's double-tracked monstrosities, but more of a growling shout, probably the biggest reference to their -core roots. Songs like 'Embedded' are the clearest Behemoth worship, sounding essentially exactly like the Polish band in nearly every department. There are occasional parts that don't sound like newer Behemoth (which instead sound like mid-era Behemoth), but this is for all intents and purposes a complete clone.

Fortunately, Behemoth is a good band to clone! Everyone likes new Behemoth, including me, so 'Genesis' is a fun listen for those who liked 'Demigod' but wished it could be a teensy bit less bombastic all the time. So what you have here is a more measured, reasonable version of new Behemoth with shouty vocals. Ignore the name on the cover and this is a pretty basic and effective modern death metal album. It has really good, clear, heavy production. There's lots of epic, soaring (in a thunderous, Panzer sort of way) riffs, and hugely triggered drumming, and the vocals are suitably dogmatic to tie it all together. Fascinating? Most certainly not. Enjoyable? Yes, yes it is."

I mean...really? What are your opinions on this? I'm not trying to flame, maybe he sees a connection to Behemoth that I don't.
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Gravemarker
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:23 pm 
 

Who cares? Far stupider things have been said in reviews... I don't even see how this is that bad.
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Voice_of_Reason
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:17 am 
 

It's a fair comparison. Both bands play metalcore.
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EntilZha
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:44 am 
 

Don't be butthurt just because someone is trying to insult JFAC in a rather tasteless manner. Such low-blows happen somewhat regularly on this site.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:10 am 
 

Actually it is true. When I first heard Genesis, I felt that the riffs etc were directly ripped from one of Behemoth's last two albums (this was before the new album was released)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:49 am 
 

Wet Pussy wrote:
Actually it is true. When I first heard Genesis, I felt that the riffs etc were directly ripped from one of Behemoth's last two albums (this was before the new album was released)


There are some similarities, although I'd personally argue they are not big enough to warrant a general comparison. A few songs here and there had some similarities, but JFAC's delivery was consistently horrid.
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deicidefan
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:42 pm 
 

I think the production is what makes the similarities.

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Voice_of_Reason
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:39 pm 
 

deicidefan wrote:
I think the production is what makes the similarities.


I agree. The riffs and style they play are also the same.
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SymphonyXFan
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:54 pm 
 

I'm not defending JFAC in any case. In fact I rather despise them. I'll check out that Behemoth album again and see if I see the similarity.
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Mateilkrist
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:19 am 
 

Voice_of_Reason wrote:
It's a fair comparison. Both bands play metalcore.


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hakarl
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:13 pm 
 

Voice_of_Reason wrote:
It's a fair comparison. Both bands play metalcore.
Hehe, yeah. That's some great sarcasm.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:11 pm 
 

He's serious. He's made the case in another thread (I believe it was the band genres thread) before.

I think it's just a case of someone not being able to tell the difference between metal and hardcore riffing.
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EntilZha
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:30 pm 
 

Indeed. JFAC don't play metalcore.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:07 pm 
 

Just because Nergal's a little trigger-happy with the pinch harmonics doesn't mean Behemoth plays metalcore.

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