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ThyBlackHalo
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:31 am 
 

I've written a review for Epica's "Design Your Universe", this is my first review and I'd like some help/suggestions to improve it. It's been rejected twice for bad formatting...
I don't think it is for spelling errors because I have checked it with two different checkers, maybe there are too long paragraphs an I should divide these (for example the third)? I think I need some advice XD
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Two years later "The Divine Conspiracy" and after a lineup change Epica returns, with an album very well structured and with lyrical themes much more positives: while "The Divine Conspiracy" dealt with religion wars and prejudices, "Design Your Universe" tells you straight forward that you are free and free to project the world you live in, if you want this strongly enough.

This is the prominent message on the album, explained with many sub-themes such as Tibetan and Maya cultures, quantic physics and near-death experiences - all of these expressed with poetry: "Don't forget you are able to design your own universe".

Everything begins with "Samadhi", an introduction both lyrically and musically; but is "Resign to Surrender" that explains the overall style of the album: as for the voices we could listen to choirs, growling vocals and female vocals (both clean and opera), as an Epica trademark, but the instrumentation is changed, we listen to a more extreme sounds with many death metal influences, a more guitar-oriented sound that anyway doesn't forget the symphonic part.
The album goes through some very good songs (like "Unleashed", the first and gorgeous single), but the real highlight of the album is reached with "Kingdom of Heaven", a five-part track with both extreme parts, opera choirs and symphonic parts and even an acoustic part that the listener could relate to Opeth's style.
The album continues with songs that are just as good as the precedent ones: the best song on this second part of the album is ballad, "Tides of Time", that will melt even the more iced hearts with the beautiful performance of Simone Simons (that improves her vocals on every album).
After some more heavy tracks, such as "Semblance of Liberty", being the hardest track on the album, and a last ballad, "White Waters" with the guest vocals of Tony Kakko of Sonata Arctica, we find the title-track, "Design Your Universe": another long track with many different sounding parts and perfect vocal performances.

This is "Design Your Universe": the best Epica album yet, and with no doubt one of the best album 2009 gave us - so get ready to design your own universe through the excellence of this musical experience...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:40 pm 
 

Try this:

ThyBlackHalo wrote:
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Two years later "The Divine Conspiracy" and after a lineup change Epica returns, with an album very well structured and with lyrical themes much more positives: while "The Divine Conspiracy" dealt with religion wars and prejudices, "Design Your Universe" tells you straight forward that you are free and free to project the world you live in, if you want this strongly enough. This is the prominent message on the album, explained with many sub-themes such as Tibetan and Maya cultures, quantic physics and near-death experiences - all of these expressed with poetry: "Don't forget you are able to design your own universe".

Everything begins with "Samadhi", an introduction both lyrically and musically; but is "Resign to Surrender" that explains the overall style of the album: as for the voices we could listen to choirs, growling vocals and female vocals (both clean and opera), as an Epica trademark, but the instrumentation is changed, we listen to a more extreme sounds with many death metal influences, a more guitar-oriented sound that anyway doesn't forget the symphonic part. The album goes through some very good songs (like "Unleashed", the first and gorgeous single), but the real highlight of the album is reached with "Kingdom of Heaven", a five-part track with both extreme parts, opera choirs and symphonic parts and even an acoustic part that the listener could relate to Opeth's style.

The album continues with songs that are just as good as the precedent ones: the best song on this second part of the album is ballad, "Tides of Time", that will melt even the more iced hearts with the beautiful performance of Simone Simons (that improves her vocals on every album). After some more heavy tracks, such as "Semblance of Liberty", being the hardest track on the album, and a last ballad, "White Waters" with the guest vocals of Tony Kakko of Sonata Arctica, we find the title-track, "Design Your Universe": another long track with many different sounding parts and perfect vocal performances.

This is "Design Your Universe": the best Epica album yet, and with no doubt one of the best album 2009 gave us - so get ready to design your own universe through the excellence of this musical experience...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:02 pm 
 

At HarbouringTheSoul, try these:

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Review Nr. 1:

Mixing black metal with some melodic folk influences might not sound very innovative and unique. The whole field has been covered by a wide array of bands, beginning with Bathory themselves. But that doesn't make "Daudningekvider" any less impressive. Stylistically, this is your typical thrashy, guitar-oriented black metal, complete with shrieked vocals, but based around very melodic, beautiful guitar hooks. Eljudner do not try to impress with insane speed or technicality. Instead, they keep their songs rather simple, and let the melodies unfold. The drums are somewhat simplistic and never pick up too much speed or try to steal the show, yet they are varied enough to remain interesting throughout. This works especially well in "Liivet af mig render" and "Svartgaldr", where the drums retain a driving groove that keeps the song going even at their calmer moments. The bass guitar, as usual in most black metal productions, is not noticeable, and it is clear that the focus lies on the guitars. Those are just as icy and raw as you would expect, but still sharp enough to make every riff clearly audible. The vocals play more of a supporting role, remaining quiet for long passages, but working exactly as they should when they are there.

From these descriptions, you could guess that Eljudner is just another generic black metal band, like there have been millions before and after. Indeed, their style can hardly be called original, but that's not the point. The focus lies solely on the melodies. Take "Naglfar Seiler I Rimkold Natt (Hevn)" as an example: The guitar begins with a slow, melancholic melody that clearly shows the band's folk influences. Then the drums kick in and it gets noticeably heavier. Still, the music retains that kind of melancholy that makes it sounds almost magic. The guitar use dual melodies here, which makes the song feels even more sorrowful. The song continues like that, featuring clean vocals and guitars later on. This culminates in a very calm, spoken word passage, where a lone electric guitar plays quietly in the background, creating a beautiful atmosphere. Fortunately, none of this is overdone, and the band avoids becoming pathetic (a problem that many bands in this genre have to face) by returning back into the song with a fast-paced, somewhat aggressive blastbeat section. But this isn't overdone either, and you don't have to expect merciless brutality. Even here, the guitar work is still highly melodic, and the feeling of epicness isn't lost. The song continues more uplifting than before, creating a strange contrast to the almost sad feeling before. All of this fits together perfectly to create one monster of a song. And while this is easily the best one on the record, that doesn't mean the rest is weak.

"Liivet af mig render" and "Svartgaldr" are the fastest tracks on the album, sharing an almost identical groove. Highlight is the bridge section from "Svartgaldr" that draws some inspiration from classic heavy metal á la Iron Maiden. Both shift between thrashy and melodic sections effortlessly. "Der Hammer Og Kors Motes" is a slow epic, starting with a cheerful melody and building up as it progresses. "Dodsvigd" starts with an acoustic guitar pattern, before the full band kicks in for probably the best moment on the whole record. The way the acoustic and electric guitar contrast each other is simply beautiful, and is very hard to describe. Later on we get some more classic metal melodies that sadly disappear immediately not to be heard again for the rest of the song. The last song on the EP is "Gardmillom", and it's also the only weak point of the record. It starts very similarly to the previous track (in fact, it's too similar) and continues with spoken word and electric-acoustic-interplay like we've heard several times before. But this time, it fails to make any impression. The whole song feels like an interlude that is missing a proper context. However, it does work as an outro to the CD, and brings the record to a fitting conclusion.

With Daudningekvider, Eljudner somehow managed to make an incredibly solid and consistent record. Even after repeated listen, you won't feel the need to skip a song, since they are all equally great. Eljudner might not be innovative or technical, but their masterful use of melody makes this a stunning record nonetheless.

Review Nr. 2:

Musically, Cryptic Wintermoon sound a lot like Dimmu Borgir in their transitional phase. That means bombastic keyboard arrangements and melodic, not-quite-black-metal guitar riffs. All this is meant to sound very epic and melodramatic, and in most cases, they succeed. That doesn't automatically make "The Age of Cataclysm" a good album, however. Cryptic Wintermoon's biggest problem is their lack of consistency. The first half of the album is quite solid, featuring enjoyable, catchy hymns. Their songs might not have a lot of depth, but the melodies are likely to stay in your ear for a while.

Opener "The Abyssal Spectre" is quite atypical for this album. It is quite fast-paced and sounds almost thrashy with its tremolo-picked lead guitar riffs. The keyboard plays a supporting role here, mostly used for enhancing the mood in the slower chorus section. Unlike the rest of the album, the focus lies solely on the guitar. In terms of general structure however, this is quite a good example of what's to come: Instead of the complex and unorthodox song structures black metal is known for, Cryptic Wintermoon adopt a classical verse-chorus-verse approach. Of course, that makes the music even catchier, which is just as it should be with music like this, but it also removes a lot of depth, leaving an impression similar to pop music: It tends to get boring after a while. Fortunately, the first few songs avoid this by simply being so damn catchy that you can't resist even the tenth time around.

Tracks 3 to 5 are related thematically and musically, telling the kind of Sword and Sorcery tale one would expect from the music. Here the keyboard becomes more prominent: It introduces each song with a lengthy solo section, and acts as both lead and backing instrument in the actual song, just as the guitars do. This technique is very well balanced and makes the cliched lyrics actually sound credible instead of laughable. In fact, the music sounds a bit like mid-era Bathory here, especially on "Fallen Kingdoms", which is blown up to almost epic proportions, clocking in at seven minutes. If they had sticked to that epic tale-telling kind of music for the rest of the album, this could have gotten quite a high score. It's not necessarily deep or meaningful, but it's damn catchy and a lot of fun. Instead, they do the worst thing they could have possibly done: They write a ballad. Even worse, "When Daylight Dies" is the most cliched and kitschy kind of ballad you could imagine, complete with acoustic guitars, singalong chorus and whiny lyrics. The problem with the acoustic guitar probably lies in the sound: Instead of sounding warm like it should, it remains just as cold and plastic as the keyboards.

Several songs in the second half are quite lacking in terms of lyrics. Dracula-like bloodlust ("Black Moon") and grief ("Angels Never Die") are not the kind of themes they can portray well, and most of the time, they sound like some neo-romantic gothic metal band using a vocabulary of approximately 50 stereotype words to fit the emotion they want to portray. Musically, the tracks are a mixed bag: "Blood of the Dragon" is another epic like the ones we've heard before, and the only one with acceptable lyrics. "Winter of Apocalypse" is probably the strongest track, due to the varied mid-section. "Black Moon" and "Angels Never Die" both could have been great tracks, but they are ruined by poppy singalong choruses. The remaining two songs fall flat on their face, simply because they do not sound as epic as the instrumentation might imply: they're simply forgettable. They don't do much wrong, apart from the lyrics, and probably would have worked well if used as filler tracks between the better cuts, but since they both come directly after another, they tend to get very boring.

As long as they don't get too mainstream musically, and stick with war themes lyrically, Cryptic Wintermoon can be very enjoyable, if a bit generic. But their excursions into kitsch and melodrama almost ruin the record at times, and due to the lack of memorable riffs near the end, I tend to turn the record off after the first few tracks. If you're into the more melodic type of Black Metal and don't care about theatrical lyrics (or don't care about lyrics at all), you could give this a shot, but if you're looking for something original, stay away.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:26 pm 
 

Hails infernal forum users!

I'm calling upon your help again. This is a review for Requiem Aeternam "Philisopher". The difficulty here was to traduce the balance between the album's qualities and defects and describe some of the complex structures it's made of without losing the reader.

Suggestions welcome before submission.


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The world is full of wonders, or so they say. The metal universe is packed with strange experiments that one may encounter with or without warning, throwing himself into the risks of discovery. But like any adventure, it is a bet whether you will come out of an ordeal with increased stature or die in the process.

This album is definitely an intent of breaking the rules of the common metal genres. Various emotional paths will be offered to the listener. Ambience will vary through sinuous constructions and the musical structure will successively leave space for all the instruments involved. “Antichrist” offers a good example of how the album is built. You will walk within a maze of technical post-thrash, melodic death and progressive heavy metal with many unexpected and unpredictable turns; the following track (Desperation) starts with a black metal riff. You will also pass by some blasts, backed off by violent guitarwalk, often next to a clean guitar instrumental based on multiple style inspired rhythms. A lot of transitions seem more like the result of a clumsy try than a careful elaboration, or a deliberate attempt to catch the auditor’s attention by provoking surprise. Musical continuity is not to be hoped throughout the album, not even in a single song, for you will be so manhandled that it is likely you will be lost, unless you hang to the riff that was managed to repeat here and there in a given theme.

The production doesn’t help getting into the music, nor it’s pushing you out of the melodies.
Each instruments sound individually good, but the whole seems inconsistent and added on one another. It’s like a wall made of different materials, it is indeed functional but lacks warmth and incites you to rely on it without paying any attention. Even worse, it sometimes sound like all the musicians are in their own part of the room, playing without noticing what is going on around. It even emphases the stream of the instruments, since they often bright out one after another but not all at the time. The good part of the production is that for the same reasons, it enables to distinguish every instrument easily in the different phases of the movements.

The same remarks may be made on musicianship. The drumming employs intense fast parts, technical fills and basic patterns, depending on how the guitars go. Every time the opportunity is offered for some extreme pounding, it is very death metal like; that at least is what does not seem “out of nowhere”, because it recalls of Immolation’s Unholy Cult somehow. The guitarwalks are very surprising. They perpetually change from one type of kind to another, with great ease. Clean acoustic parts are inserted between fast black metal like riffs and syncopation à la Meshuggah. The range of inspiration is pretty wide and may satisfy any one willing to listen to a mix of many types of existing metal

But all the mentioned above leaves a lot of room for personal judgement on this musical Frankenstein, so how can it be concluded about the album’s quality? The answer will lie in the vocals. As the album starts, it kicks you in the face with ferocious grunts, but the grip is lost in the following minute of the song, for a nosy, monotone voice is humming to itself some philosophical sentences out of context. Unfortunately, this disagreeable sensation will repeat in almost every song. At the beginning it might be tolerated because it only comes out episodically. But as you advance through the album it becomes more and more annoying, since it is more and more exploited in the instrumental/folk parts. By the time you get to the end, you will have developed a Pavlovian aversion for it that will ruin whatever chance you had to appreciate the rest. “Liberty” illustrates well this failure. This bad singing (which evokes more Dave Mustaine imitating Daffy Duck than anything) pops out immediately, where you subconsciously expect some nice clean vocal work that would add to the intimate emotion. That very song “Liberty” will end in a well composed and interpreted A Capela chorus, despite the nosy resonance of the main singer, so the problem is not the clean vocal lines, they indeed connote inspiration, it’s definitely how they sound.

The lyrics tackled during these “lyrical interludes” do not save the day. Most of them are inspired by authors such as Rousseau or Nietzsche and will grant any intellectual with a mental masturbation. But as mentioned earlier, the themes appear out of context; they would have required more space and development to really get any point across. The negative effect is felt most in the spoken Spanish passage on “Desperation”, that seems a child’s dialectical attempt to express the social struggle he witnessed in a book. The speech is too naïve and without definite purpose to be concrete.

So these are the consequent drawbacks of this work: slight inconsistency and those damn underachieved clean vocals. Nevertheless, Requiem Aeternam’s clearly tried to make a difference with this album, and indubitably achieved originality. But the balance between the album’s qualities and defects is not in its favour, and it is likely it will pass by without leaving much influence in its trail. Still, for any amateur of oddities, it is worth the detour.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:31 pm 
 

Here's my review of Dream Evil's In The Night which got rejected, needing "more substance and content towards describing the music". Doesn't surprise me, but really it's by the book power metal. And really, the philosophy on this site is odd. Not every review needs to be a giant thorough in depth examination of the album, and this is still longer and more in depth than some others.

To cover a larger spectrum of what metal fans think, I really do think you should accept more reviews. Just posting it here so people can check it out, enjoy:

Dream Evil are back, and they've still got it. In The Night is a step up from United, it's more confident, with more swagger and a fun loose feel to it. The guitar pyrotechnics from Dannee Demon and Fredrik Nordström (Ritchie Rainbow to his fans) do the trick, lighting up the songs with effortless electricity. Catchy lead riffs, inspired fills, great solos, they cover all the bases. Soaring and also crushing, everybody plays their part well here.


Nick's vocals are especially entertaining on this release, he really stretches, which is something I like to hear. These high pitched wails out of nowhere are great, if it's your thing, I can't get enough of it. Cheesy, but also genuinely impressive, which pretty much applies to the band in general.


These guys have a great sense of humor. The lyrics, pledging allegiance to the metal, are glorious. Their fittingly titled ballad, "The Ballad", is hilarious while still genuinely enjoyable musically. The opening lyrics:


"We are made of metal
Our hearts are made of steel
Even if we're stained with blood
You know, we got that sex appeal"


"Immortal" starts the album off with a bang. Fast, galloping power metal, with an epic chorus, reminiscent of Hammerfall. It rocks, the solo is nice, and it ends with a great acappella wailing bit, Halford style.


Really, there isn't a lacking track on the album. The titular track "In The Night" is a more mid-tempo selection, with some very heavy riffs, some crunchy stuff going on. "Electric" is a classic metal anthem, with one of the catchiest choruses on the album. Hard stomping rockers like "Mean Machine" and "Kill, Burn, Be Evil" are great headbangers, while still having a feel of unpredictability that gives them all their own identity.


"The Unchosen One" is classic Dream Evil. Yes, the title and lyrics don't make a lot of sense, but it's the kind of metal cheese that puts a smile on my face. We have some symphonic strings added to the mix here, which mesh quite fetchingly with the riffs, and high wailing chorus.


Dream Evil really run the metal gamut here. You can hear the strong influence from Accept, Judas Priest, Dio, all the oldschool classics, to Gamma Ray, some In Flames style riffs, even a little Pantera esque grit and dissonance thrown into the mixture.


To sum it up, this is top notch power metal with cock rock bravado. It comes across as a more off the cuff, almost jammy album for the band. It's fun, massively listenable, a rock solid album for fans of hard rocking power metal.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:57 pm 
 

Somebody want to offer me some insight as to why this keeps getting rejected for bad formatting? I know what was wrong with it the first time around, so I went through and played with it a bit, but I still get the same response: "The contents of your review are acceptable, but it is poorly formatted and difficult or annoying to read."

Bear in mind that it does have the right punctuation, i.e. two spaces between sentences, when submitted; the forum just seems to screw that up when I post it.

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Every time a new Megadeth release is in the works, everyone jumps to offer their opinion on how it should be the next Rust in Peace. Well, Dave didn't listen, and it turns out that he made a good call. Endgame stands out as the band's best release since Youthanasia, and fits right in with their mid-90's Countdown to Extinction/Youthanasia sound. It’s diverse, has some really angry lyrics in places, and the production is very well done, making it an easy listen. I’ve got nothing against the other guys who’ve tried to replace Marty Friedman, but adding Chris Broderick on lead guitar has really stepped up the soloing this time around. If we’re lucky, he’ll stick around for a while.

I knew this was going to be good when the first song started up and a wicked-yet-simple ascending lead bit started playing a few seconds into the opener, Dialectic Chaos. Megadeth hasn't done a solid instrumental for a few years, and this one is great. The lead tradeoffs between Mustaine and Broderick put the listener on notice that this time they mean it. Most of the tracks are very solid, and stand up well in Megadeth's diverse catalog. 44 Minutes is a nice, mid-paced, melodic metal song, something that Megadeth does exceptionally well (and doesn't get nearly enough credit for as far as I'm concerned, thanks in no part to the "all we want is Rust in Peace 2" sheeple). Bodies, the track I was initially the most interested to hear as it was a leftover from United Abominations, chugs along nicely, with a verse riff that really complements Dave's singing. The layered vocals in the chorus are done rather well also, understated and not over-obvious, if that makes sense. Endgame is a typical Mustaine-penned political statement. The line about waking up in a FEMA box is completely hilarious, and once the track gets going it really moves. OK, the lyrical content may be a bit too tinfoil-hat for some people, but what the hell, if you want something better, write it your damn self. Or better yet, go and do a little research and find out just what it is he's singing about, and you might learn something. The album closes on a high note with The Right to Go Insane, which to me sounds conceptually like a more metal version of Breadline. Again, we've got some great layered vocal lines in the chorus, catchy lyrics, and some great, solid riffing.

My favorite track on the CD by far is How the Story Ends. It has a grinding intro riff, a verse riff reminiscent of Holy Wars, and a chorus that ranks up there with anything Mustaine has written in the past. But beyond the music, the real attractive part of this song is the hilarious way that you can interpret the lyrical content. Ok, bear with me for a minute, but every time I hear this song all I can think of is Sherman's March to the Sea. Yeah, that’s not what he meant it to be about, but I find the ability to interpret it in my own way makes it that much more amusing. Especially when you consider that from that standpoint, "The Story" could be Gone With the Wind. I know, I've lost it, but come on, that's just hilarious.

There are a few low points to the album, the most obvious being Headcrusher. Yeah, blazing fast riffs, blistering solos...but the song just doesn't really do anything special for me. It seems like it was written to satiate the aforementioned sheeple without directing the overall direction of the album. The rest of the tracks are pretty standard Megadeth fare; they'll appeal to some fans and not to others, but for the most part they're not too shabby. They're certainly more aggressive than Megadeth's past few albums, and that's not a bad thing, and they do manage to show off Mustaine and Broderick’s chops pretty well. The only problem is that for me, a lifelong Megadeth fan who constantly spends money on all the imports, singles, bootlegs, and whatnot that I can find, they just don’t seem to hold my interest very long like the rest of the album does.

Overall, the album is definitely a solid release. If it does anything, it proves that yeah, Dave can still play stupid-fast thrash, but also that Megadeth's strength is the mid-paced, groovy metal song. They just might do that better than anyone else out there at the moment. And if you haven't been paying attention, or have been hanging around too many of those irritating sheeple, they've been doing it just as well for ages. This album just really brings that aspect of their music to the forefront more than any other recent release has. That’s also why this isn’t really a true “return to form” for the band, but in this case, it turns out that they really didn’t need to do that in order to put out a solid album. I mean, seriously. Come on. Rust in Peace 2? Why? How the hell can you top that album anyway? Give me solid, original Megadeth music over a rehash of something that's been done already any day of the week.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:24 am 
 

I recently wrote a review for Oceanborn. Now, it was rejected but I can't figure out why. So anyways here it is:

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I should establish right away that I do not consider myself a Nightwish fan. Most of their material seems to be overly poppy, the lyrics are too whiny, the keyboards just sound cheesy and overly Gothic like, and for the most part they are just overrated and lacking most metal elements. Sure they have had a few good songs throughout their career, but have never put out a memorable ALBUM.

That is, other then Oceanborn. This album is quite simply a masterpiece. It is pretty much the only Nightwish album to have no fillers, to be completely power metal and the only to lack most of the annoying pop elements. Yes, this album does indeed deserve to be held in the same league as other 90's power metal masterpieces such as Stratovarius' "Episode" and "Dreamspace", Gamma Ray's "Land Of The Free", Virgin Steele's "Marriage" albums through "Atreus", and Angra's "Holy Land". Granted it's not quite as good as a few of those, but pretty close.

One of the strongest points of this album is the fact that it doesn't really sound much like any other power metal albums. Structure-wise it's pretty similar, but the melodies are quite different. It's kind of hard to describe, but if you listen to it you will see. Also, the atmosphere is very strong in this album, bringing up images of mystical serenity.

Musically, this is relatively reminiscent of Stratovarius. In fact, the opener "Stargazers"(pretty much the best straight ahead song they ever made) has a VERY Jens Johansson sounding lead intro, and the riffs at times sound Timo Tolkki esque. This song storms forward with great power while the fantastic vocals of Tarja Turunen weave entrancing melodies leading to an epic finale.

Everything is at it's best here. Never again would they ever write a song as aggressive as "Devil And The Deep Dark Ocean"(it's pretty aggressive by Nightwish standards), or as catchy as "Sacrament Of Wilderness". Emppu delivers a much more powerful guitar performance then he usually does, the keyboards don't sound too processed and fake like later.

Tarja Turunen delivers potentially her most powerful performance in "Passion And The Opera" with lyrics not too unlike "Nymphomaniac Quest" from the previous album. However musically, it's superior, and the ending opera esque section is a fantastic closing to probably their most operatic song.

Another anomaly on this album(for a lot of PM bands but especially for Nightwish) is that, even though there are THREE BALLADS, they all are fantastic. They really do a romantic atmosphere quite well. Although I have to admit these songs("Swanheart", "Walking In The Air" and "Sleeping Sun") do get stale more so then the other songs on the album.

But the height of this band's ability is found in "The Pharaoh Sails To Orion". I don't know where to begin with this one. The first section is probably the most metal we'll ever find this band, with the male vocals fitting in perfectly. The melody that comes in half way through is also amazing. I just can't tell you how strong this song is, and how it encapsulates everything that could possibly be good about this band. The end also includes some great guitar shredding.

Now, before you start to think my original statement is invalid, there are some flaws here. First off, as I said earlier, this album is not QUITE up there with the other classics of this era because the album isn't too varied. The music is very influenced by romantic era classical music, and it basically sticks to that the whole time. Secondly, emotionally the album doesn't change much the whole time, and like all Nightwish albums, this album lacks almost any conceivable form of aggression(other then the aforementioned "Devil And The Deep Dark Ocean" and "The Pharaoh Sails To Orion").

So although it's not quite as brilliant as some other albums from the same era, because of it's musical originality(it's hard to think of bands who sound similar to this) it in many ways it still deserves to heralded as one of the all time great metal classics. Yup, right up there with "Painkiller", "Abigail", "Invictus", "Episode", "The Spectre Within", and "Darkness Descends".

It is really sad the band so quickly sold out. They never really captured the atmosphere and originality of this album, and eventually their quest for musical forgetfulness actually became admirable by other bands such as Evanescence. So much so, that being caught listening to anything from any of their albums(aside from this one, Angels Fall First, and a few select tracks from the rest) is actually quite embarrassing. Although that rarely happens since I almost never listen to the rest of their material other then what I have already mentioned. As there really are better bands in the genre to listen to.

But at least we'll always have "Oceanborn".
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:53 am 
 

Just curious , am I going to get an e-mail to tell me if my review has been accepted/rejected?
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Here is a draft of my review for Thrash Queen's absolutely execrable album Manslayer, one of those horrible monstrosities that no one remembers when they reminisce over the '80s.

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Trash metal. - 0%

Like every form of music that has existed since the first caveman banged two sticks together in a rhythmic fashion and marveled at his invention of the beat, there has been a lot of bad music in metal. Some of the music is bad because it is dishonest and commercial, devoid of anything resembling integrity. Here you have your sellouts, your Sepulturas, your Dimmu Borgirs. Some music is bad because it is soulless and lacking in inspiration, going through the motions without a spark of life--think later Iced Earth, or Thomen Stauch's half-assed attempt to resurrect Blind Guardian in Savage Circus. Some music fails because it employs terrible ideas, like every band that decided oinking like a distressed pig was "sikk". But Thrash Queen are on an entirely different plane of existence. This is a band that has nothing going for it at all--no skill, no inspiration, no songwriting, no integrity, not a single goddamn thing. There is bad, and there is Thrash Queen. Nothing else comes close.

Thrash Queen were a (alleged) thrash metal band from New England whose big gimmick is, as you may have guessed, being composed of women (a gimmick that would be used far more successfully by Meanstreak, a band most notable for three of its members marrying members of Dream Theater and for being much, much better than Thrash Queen). It's hard to expect much from a gimmick band, especially a gimmick band that don't even seem to understand the genre they're supposed to be playing (the band picture is 100% glam), but Thrash Queen do not have a musical bone to share among all four of their bodies. After only a few days of trying to learn the bass guitar, fumbling through "Freezing Moon" using half-remembered techniques I learned on the upright bass way back in middle school, the sounds I made with my piece of shit $200 Squier bass were more musical than this.

What riffs exist are simple patterns of quarter note power chords (like the obnoxious 0-4-3-4 riff that kicks off "Chasing the Dragon" and sounds like it came from a particularly bad Myspace black metal band), mallcorish stop start patterns that somehow managed to predate mallcore by twelve years, and midpaced open-string chugging. In short, Thrash Queen do not thrash. The only thing remotely thrash about this is the drumming, extremely incompetent "snare polka" bashing whose tendency to wander out of sync with the music is only partially obscured by the atrocious production (more on that later). The vocals are a faux-masculine whiny screech, like an imitation Kai Hansen with a sore throat and a range of about half an octave. Some of the melodies are simple enough to resemble nursery rhymes, composed entirely of only one or two tones. One wonders why, despite the whole girl power gimmick, "Princess Die" (yes, that's what she calls herself) tries so hard to sound like a man. As for bass, there's a low-pitched thrum following the guitars. I think that might be the bass.

The production is bad, and not good bad, not raw bad, but BAD. This is worse than Nattens Madrigal, worse than Death's demos, worse than most concert bootlegs. The drums are buried under a layer of distortion and static that only affords the listener a vague impression of the beat. The guitar tone is one of the weakest I have heard on a heavy metal album, like the one on Megadeth's Killing is My Business (which was already pretty wimpy) but much thinner. The vocals wander in and out from behind the guitars, like the world's shittiest rays of sunlight dappled through the world's shittiest trees, and pan from left to right or right to left for no apparent reason. Sometimes a channel will just cut out for a second and come back. This sort of sound wouldn't be acceptable on a demo; on an album it's revolting.

"Manslayer" is a miserable opening track, alternating between an extremely simplistic descending arpeggio that is used for around 80% of the song. Yes, a single bar riff of four chords composes most of this song, and most of the rest is stop-start open E chords like you'd hear in an Evanescence song. There's a solo that resembles every other solo on this album, a mindless stream of very slow shredding (I know that sounds contradictory, but the solo is really that bad) with the occasional basic pentatonic lick thrown in wherever Vikki Stone felt like it, played very sloppily. Like most of the songs here, "Manslayer" does not have any real ending, it just kind of stops in its tracks because the band decided that the song should stop.

The second track, "No Way Home", starts with an actual riff, an actually rather decent Sabbathian motif that makes you think that perhaps the album might not be as bad as you thought. Don't be fooled; it quickly descends into mindless eighth-note chugging like a cut-rate ripoff of "Exciter" (where's the thrash already?) that occasionally reverts back to the intro riff, which becomes more and more tired each time. The vocals are especially nursery-rhyme-ish here, the melodies barely qualifying as such. Thrash Queen do not seem to understand the idea of verses, choruses, and song structure, and simply seem to switch back and forth between the opening riff and the chug riff whenever the mood strikes them.

From here the album seems content to repeat itself, serving up a structureless mess of half-assed speed metal chugging and attempts at melodic hook riffs (usually tired NWOBHM castoffs) that fall flatter than a Kansas highway. "Retribution" and "Unwed Mother" are virtually identical, and the only way to tell that "Retribution" has ended and "Unwed Mother" has begun is to look at the playlist because the riffs are extremely similar. Some of the songs attempt a "Whiplash"-like stomp, but the result sounds more like a metal version of an oompah band, especially with the shitty production making the snare almost impossible to hear so all you get is THUMP A THUMP A THUMP A THUMP. Each song takes a rhythm and tempo and follows it to the end, with little distinction between different parts of the song (don't even ask for a thrash break). "Prayer for the Ship" and "Tired of Waiting" attempt to break the mold a bit by basically being (terrible) NWOBHM and...I have no idea what "Tired of Waiting" is trying to sound like, but ultimately go nowhere and do nothing worthwhile, each taking only a couple of musical ideas and repeating them relentlessly--"Tired of Waiting" uses the same stop-start open-string bash for the verses, the chorus, and even the fucking bridge, managing to be so repetitive that the only real change in the music is a "gear change" modulation in the last few reptitions of the chorus.

The least horrible song on the album is "Now You Ain't Got Me", which has a couple of bona fide thrash riffs (!) that sound like riffs that Dave Mustaine threw out during the Killing is My Business sessions for sucking too much. Sure, they suck, but even cheap knock-off Megadeth is a vast improvement upon pounding on open E until the listener's ears bleed out. Also Mustaine-like are the bursts of guitar soloing thrown in here and there, which are no better than any of the album's other solos, but are welcome for breaking up the monotony. They still can't wrap their minds around the idea of using a different riff for the chorus, and it isn't one-tenth of any actual Megadeth song, but "Now You Ain't Got Me" is slightly less awful than everything else here.

"Chasing the Dragon" is nothing but a rehash of "Manslayer" with a different opening riff (that stupid Myspace-BM one I told you about, and it is actually somewhat memorable in its sheer awfulness and the way it is pounded into your head over and over). Was this an attempt at symmetry? Are a band this completely worthless even capable of coming up with such a concept?

This album is shit. Complete fucking shit. It is the worst thing I've ever heard that has ever been classified as metal, and yes, that includes I Wrestled a Bear Once. It is interesting to note that an unscrupulous record label called Metal Enterprises in Germany later illegally used the Thrash Queen name for a recording made by a bunch of the label's studio musicians. The result was a mishmash of generic guitar riffs, listless drum machine banging, and a woman with a hilariously thick German accent shrieking gibberish on top (LET'Z MEK LOAVE IN ZE REFRIGERATOUR!), with songs looped over and over so that they pushed 9 minutes each, and it was better than this. No, really. That's how bad this album is. At least the Metal Enterprises album is so ridiculous that you can mock it.

In short, do not buy this album. Do not listen to this album. Do not even listen to it ironically for laughs, because it's not funny. It sucks huge iron rods suspended in the sky and blows like Hurricane Katrina. There is no talent, no integrity, and no thought put into this; it is a stupid gimmick album that probably a few women bought in the mid-'80s and threw in the garbage when they realized how awful it was, and it's not worth the (considerable) effort it takes to track this down. The music that this seems to most wish it was is Megadeth's early demo output, so get Killing Is My Business if you haven't already; it, unlike this, is actually good music.

Fuck this band.

Killer tracks: Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:36 am 
 

Greets album reviewers! I recently submitted an album review for The Arrival of Satan's "Vexing Verses" album, because no one had yet to review this album and I felt it needed attention. Anyways I submitted my review before bothering to look at all the great advice posted here on the forums, for which I do apologize. It has been a couple of days in the queue so I was wondering if there is anything I can do to improve my first review before it gets accepted or rejected. Feedback would of course be greatly appreciated.


"The Arrival of Satan’s second full length album Vexing Verses moves me in a way that very, very few other albums can. In fact I cannot think of a single other release from any other artist or band that even comes close to the psychotic emotions vomited forth on this album. The music found here is definitely not for the faint of heart. What we have here are 9 tracks that sound like they could be therapy sessions for a mental patient of the worst kind. Self mutilation, hatred, depression, lunacy, and downright hopelessness are all pulled off here to a degree that makes it obvious the songwriter suffers from all of these “conditions” on a very personal basis. But do not be fooled! I am not speaking of anything even remotely similar to the likes of Xasthur, Mortifera, Make a Change… Kill Yourself, or any of your other favorite “suicidal/depressive” black metal acts. Not even the controversial Silencer compares to this. I fail to understand how Nattramn ended up in the looney bin yet these guys are still out there roaming around. This should frighten people.

Vexing Verses was released a full six years after TAoS’s debut, Darkness Dealer. Whereas Darkness Dealer is more standard fair in the world of black metal, the album I am reviewing now is completely original and inspired by true human suffering and pain. I wonder what happened during those six years? (the split with Morte Incandescente should be noted between these releases, though it was nothing special.) The production quality of the album screams psyche ward; it fits the music as perfect as perfect can be in this context. The guitars are distorted enough to be fuzzy and evil sounding without falling into nonsense. Each note can be clearly heard and are extremely effective at carrying the mood throughout the album. Even the bass guitar is able to shine here! Clearly audible the bass is actually a critical part of this release, where in so many bands (regardless of genre) the bass simply falls to the wayside and contributes nothing to the music. I can’t emphasize enough how impressed I am with how well the bass darkens the mood; simply put, this album would not be the same without it. Saint Vincent really shows his talent here without being technical or flashy. On the same note the drumming here is equally as important. Krukka is able to transition beautifully between frantic blasting and slower, even somewhat groovy sections. He utilizes more than just his bass drum and snare here; plenty of fills abound here, but everything he does only complements the music and in no way distracts from it. In fact that’s how every instrument on this record is; it all flows together seamlessly and is equally as important to the foundation as the next instrument is.

With all of that said (and said poorly I might add, as this is my first album review. Actually this is the main reason I registered was JUST to review this overlooked piece of insanity.), the main attraction for me here are the vocals. Necropiss pulls off a performance that I both envy and am totally inspired by. This guy has serious issues. The personal torment is painfully obvious in his performance. He does everything on this album from standard black metal screams/shrieks to more clearly spoken but horrifically tortured ramblings. He really shines in the latter half of the album. The title track, Morbid Libido, Fascist Whore and She’s Dead are perhaps the most sincere vocals I’ve ever heard. Period. You must listen to understand. My first listen to Fascist Whore actually shocked me; towards the end he breaks down and starts half crying, half pleading for the “whore” to do everything from spit on him, piss in his face, sodomize him, and even shit on him. If I’m not mistaken, I’m fairly sure he was both masturbating and mutilating himself by the end of the track. Of course this is pure conjecture, but his performance is sincere enough to be convincing of this.

So I probably made this review far too long and rambling, but it is a real challenge finding a way to describe this work. For everything I listed above, this album gets a 100% from me. You may hate this album, but neither I nor TAoS could fucking care less. This is pure suffering is musical form."

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:58 am 
 

RottingInHumanity wrote:
Each note can be clearly heard and are extremely effective

Jumping from singular to plural here.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:49 pm 
 

Your selection of fixes are:

Make them singular:

"Each note can be clearly heard and is extremely effective."

or

Make them plural:

"All the notes can be clearly heard and are extremely effective."

or

Make the dependent clause an independent one:

"Each note can be clearly heard and all are extremely effective."

and several plural/singular variations on that...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:37 pm 
 

EntilZha wrote:
Jumping from singular to plural here.


Voice_of_Reason wrote:
Your selection of fixes are:

Make them singular:

"Each note can be clearly heard and is extremely effective."

or

Make them plural:

"All the notes can be clearly heard and are extremely effective."

or

Make the dependent clause an independent one:

"Each note can be clearly heard and all are extremely effective."

and several plural/singular variations on that...


Ok thanks, I didn't even realize that. Can I edit my review while it's still in queue without double submitting?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:13 am 
 

Hails everyone.

I wrote a review for Requiem Aeternam's "Philosopher". It would be nice if someone fluent in english could proofread it. I am a specialist for writing sentences that do not mean what I think they do, so any comments are welcome.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers Metalheads!!!


- Disturbance in the Evolution -

The world is full of wonders, or so they say. The metal universe is packed with strange experiments that one may encounter with or without warning, throwing himself into the risks of discovery. But like any adventure, it is a bet whether you will come out of an ordeal with increased stature or die in the process.

This album is definitely an intent of breaking the rules of the common metal genres. Various emotional paths will be offered to the listener. Ambience will vary through sinuous constructions and the musical structure will successively leave space for all the instruments involved. “Antichrist” offers a good example of how the album is built. You will walk within a maze of technical post-thrash, melodic death and progressive heavy metal with many unexpected and unpredictable turns; the following track (Desperation) starts with a black metal riff. You will also pass by some blasts, backed off by violent guitarwalk, often next to a clean guitar instrumental based on multiple style inspired rhythms. A lot of transitions seem more like the result of a clumsy try than a careful elaboration, or a deliberate attempt to catch the auditor’s attention by provoking surprise. Musical continuity is not to be hoped throughout the album, not even in a single song, for you will be so manhandled that it is likely you will be lost, unless you hang to the riff that was managed to repeat here and there in a given theme.

The production doesn’t help getting into the music, nor it’s pushing you out of the melodies.
Each instruments sound individually good, but the whole seems inconsistent and added on one another. It’s like a wall made of different materials, it is indeed functional but lacks warmth and incites you to rely on it without paying any attention. Even worse, it sometimes sound like all the musicians are in their own part of the room, playing without noticing what is going on around. It even emphases the stream of the instruments, since they often bright out one after another but not all at the time. The good part of the production is that for the same reasons, it enables to distinguish every instrument easily in the different phases of the movements.

The same remarks may be made on musicianship. The drumming employs intense fast parts, technical fills and basic patterns, depending on how the guitars go. Every time the opportunity is offered for some extreme pounding, it is very death metal like; that at least is what does not seem “out of nowhere”, because it recalls of Immolation’s Unholy Cult somehow. The guitarwalks are very surprising. They perpetually change from one type of kind to another, with great ease. Clean acoustic parts are inserted between fast black metal like riffs and syncopation à la Meshuggah. The range of inspiration is pretty wide and may satisfy any one willing to listen to a mix of many types of existing metal.

But all the mentioned above leaves a lot of room for personal judgement on this musical Frankenstein, so how can it be concluded about the album’s quality? The answer will lie in the vocals. As the album starts, it kicks you in the face with ferocious grunts, but the grip is lost in the following minute of the song, for a nosy, monotone voice is humming to itself some philosophical sentences out of context. Unfortunately, this disagreeable sensation will repeat in almost every song. At the beginning it might be tolerated because it only comes out episodically. But as you advance through the album it becomes more and more annoying, since it is more and more exploited in the instrumental/folk parts. By the time you get to the end, you will have developed a Pavlovian aversion for it that will ruin whatever chance you had to appreciate the rest. “Liberty” illustrates well this failure. This bad singing (which evokes more Dave Mustaine imitating Daffy Duck than anything) pops out immediately, where you subconsciously expect some nice clean vocal work that would add to the intimate emotion. That very song “Liberty” will end in a well composed and interpreted A Capela chorus, despite the nosy resonance of the main singer, so the problem is not the clean vocal lines, they indeed connote inspiration, it’s definitely how they sound.

The lyrics tackled during these “lyrical interludes” do not save the day. Most of them are inspired by authors such as Rousseau or Nietzsche and will grant any intellectual with a mental masturbation. But as mentioned earlier, the themes appear out of context; they would have required more space and development to really get any point across. The negative effect is felt most in the spoken Spanish passage on “Desperation”, that seems a child’s dialectical attempt to express the social struggle he witnessed in a book. The speech is too naïve and without definite purpose to be concrete.

So these are the consequent drawbacks of this work: slight inconsistency and those damn underachieved clean vocals. Nevertheless, Requiem Aeternam’s clearly tried to make a difference with this album, and indubitably achieved originality. But the balance between the album’s qualities and defects is not in its favour, and it is likely it will pass by without leaving much influence in its trail. Still, for any amateur of oddities, it is worth the detour.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:00 pm 
 

Here goes. I'd skip the tutoring this time (the points I would've brought to your attention are more or less the same I've made the last time), so the fixes were integrated in it already:

The world is full of wonders, or so they say. The metal universe is packed with strange experiments that one may encounter with or without warning and expose himself into the risks of discovery. But like any adventure, it is a bet whether you will come out of an ordeal with an increased stature or die in the process.

This album is definitely made out of the intent of breaking the rules of the common metal genres. Various emotional paths will be offered to the listener. Ambience will vary through sinuous constructions and the musical structure will successfully leave space for all the instruments involved. “Antichrist” offers a good example of how the album is built. You will walk within a maze of technical post-thrash, melodic death and progressive heavy metal with many unexpected and unpredictable turns; the following track (Desperation) starts with a black metal riff. You will also pass by some blasts, backed up by violent guitar work, often next to a clean guitar instrumental based on multiple style inspired rhythms. A lot of transitions seem more like the result of a clumsy try rather than a careful elaboration, or a deliberate attempt to catch the auditor’s attention by provoking surprise. Musical continuity is not to be sought throughout the album, not even in a single song, for you will be manhandled in such a manner it is likely you will be lost, unless you hang on to a riff that has managed to reoccur here and there in a given theme. The drumming employs intense fast parts, technical fills and basic patterns, depending on how the guitars go. Every time the opportunity is offered for some extreme pounding, it is very death metal like; that at least is what does not seem “out of nowhere”, because it recalls of Immolation’s Unholy Cult somehow. The guitar works are very surprising in their perpetual changes from one genre to another with great ease, and the chances to hear a clean acoustic part that between fast black metal like riffs and syncopations à-la Meshuggah are quite big. The range of inspiration is pretty wide and may satisfy any one willing to listen to a mix of many types of existing metal.

The production doesn’t help getting into the music, but nor is it pushing you out of the melodies. Each instrument sounds individually good, but the whole seems inconsistent and added on one another. It’s like a wall made of different materials, it is indeed functional but lacks warmth and incites you to rely on it without paying any attention. Even worse, it sometimes sound like every musician was left on his own, and is playing without noticing what is going on around. It emphasizes the stream of the instruments – and here lies the strength of the production, since you can actually distinguish every instrument easily in the different phases of the movements – and they often manage to shine one by one, but never together.

But all the mentioned above leaves a lot of room for personal tastes regarding this musical Frankenstein, so how can a conclusion be made about the album’s quality? The answer will lie in the vocals. As the album starts, it kicks you in the face with ferocious grunts, but the grip is lost in the following minute of the song, for a nasal, monotone voice that hums philosophical sentences that are out of context – and unfortunately, does so all throughout the album. At the beginning it might be tolerated because it only comes out episodically, but as you advance through the album it becomes increasingly annoying, since it is more and more used in the instrumental/folk parts. By the time you get to the end, you will have developed a Pavlovian aversion for it that will ruin whatever chance you had to appreciate the rest. “Liberty” illustrates well this failure. These Dave-Mustaine-impersonating-Daffy-Duck vocals pop out immediately, even if you’re subconsciously expecting some nice clean vocal work that would add to the intimate mood of the song. That very song “Liberty” will end in a well composed and interpreted a capella chorus, despite the nasal resonance of the main singer, so the problem is not with the clean vocal lines, which are admirable, but with their sound. The lyrics during the lyrical interludes do not save the day as well. Most of them are inspired by authors such as Rousseau or Nietzsche and will grant any intellectual with a mental masturbation, but as it was mentioned earlier, the themes appear out of context; they would have required more space and development to really get any point across. The negative effect is felt most in the spoken Spanish passage on “Desperation”, which sounds like a child’s dialectical attempt to express the social struggle he witnessed in a book. The speech is too naive and without definite purpose to be concrete.

So these are the consequent drawbacks of this work: slight inconsistency and those damn underachieved clean vocals. Nevertheless, Requiem Aeternam’s clearly tried to make a difference with this album, and indubitably came with a very original output. But the balance between the album’s qualities and defects is not in its favor, and it is likely it will pass by without leaving much influence in its trail. Still, for those who are keen on oddities, it is worth the detour.


I might have missed some things (it's about my bedtime after all). I'll look into the rest of the posts tomorrow, although I'd be happy if other users would help out.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:23 pm 
 

Hey guys, I recently had three reviews (for Eluveitie, Oakhelm, and Galar) rejected with a form response:
"In order for it to be acceptable, it needs more substance and content towards describing the music. Although you have described the music in brief, you should elaborate on it. "

I really can't fathom what more a person who likes and is pursuing Folk/Viking Metal albums would want to know, or could be told about the music.

Do they just want me to pad this with poetic drivel to fit in with the rest of the long-winded reviews full of unnecessary trains of thought?

If you know the subgenres or these bands--are someone who might read the review--what more would you be looking for that I didn't include?

Eluveitie - Evocation I - The Arcane Dominion
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A Unique Contribution to Folk Rock

This album constantly weaves between neofolk numbers, and catchy and fun folk rock tracks (achieved in style and vibe, entirely without electric guitar). Eluveitie are, of course, from Switzerland, but the album is full of beautiful Celtic melodies and female vocals that vary from a French pop music style to an eastern European village chorus feel. Excellent production and instrument selection secure the success of a well-thought out and cohesive collection songs.

Metalheads not fond of neofolk/ambient genres might be a little frustrated by the fluctuating pace of this album (its lack of incessant formulaic Gothenburg melo-death that might have been expected), but this is an essential album for folk rock and neofolk fans, or anyone who appreciates beautiful music and doesn't just want to headbang.


Oakhelm - Betwixt and Between

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Betwixt and Between Trumpery and Triumph

The only nice things I can say about this album are to do with the lead guitarist: his riffs are reminiscent of Eternal Tears of Sorrow, Isengard, and Thyrfing; and “Maybon Shore”, the second acoustic interlude on the album, is a Neofolk instrumental as good as Finntroll's "Rök" or Catamenia's "Outro" to Halls of Frozen North.

The vocalist, from a death metal and doom background, provides annoying trollish black metal vocals; the drummer, also from a death metal background, contributes humdrum drumming (blast-beats at times). The occasional clean pagan vocals are passable (thanks, in part, to being largely drowned out in the mix); on on "As the Murder Flies" we are given one rare glimpse deep clean doom vocals and death metal growls that show where the vocalist's true talent lies.

Hopefully the guitarists (nothing wrong with either of them) will scour the US and find better talent to work with for future epic/folk-oriented projects, rather than wasting their riffs, because as nice as the riffs are, it’s just not worth enduring the rest of this band in order to hear it.


Galar - Skogskvad

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Another Victory for Viking Metal

A sound bite of rain and deep roaring thunder prefaces a somber acoustic guitar and bassoon (yep, <i>bassoon</i>) intro to the first song (this intro really could have been a separate track, but isn't).

Galar play fairly fast-paced black metal--the genre Norway is known for; so it should come as no surprise that the production on this debut is faultless. And since their aim is not mere black metal, the black metal vocals are appropriately blended into the mix, allowing the pagan vocals (which are never solo, but either in chorus or harmony (the latter of which was a pleasant surprise which I've not heard since Helangår!)) to take the limelight, and also allowing the interesting element of black metal vocals accompanying the clean vox at times. Their lead riffs are fairly generically black metal while the tempo is fast, but lean toward epic in the slower moments, though "Kronet til Konge" has that unmistakable Scandinavian folk sound, and, amusingly, "Slagmarkens Falne Sjeler" abruptly wraps up with a riff in the vein of Amon Amarth.

The interlude, "Skumring", is a heartbreaking piano and bassoon solo. Piano also offers a notable atmosphere for brief moments in other tracks; I only wish we'd heard the bassoon incorporated likewise, to achieve a similar atmosphere to Taunusheim's <i>Nebelkämpfe</i>. Nonetheless, Galar are playing in two genres (folk and black) already saturated, yet have managed to set themselves apart with a signature, sound both grim and beautiful, that is sure to win over many people.

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What can't you fathom? Read longer reviews by people like hells_unicorn and Empyreal and study them. The reviews don't describe the music in any significant detail. What about the production? Musicianship? Songwriting? Particularly interesting aspects of the album or the band? Songs that stand out as being particularly good, bad, or otherwise of interest? Two paragraphs is not much of a review.

All the Galar review tells me is that it's folky black metal. There are a billion folky black metal albums, For all I know it could sound like Bergtatt, Dark Medieval Times, The Olden Domain. a Falkenbach album, or even one of Dimmu Borgir's early demos. All of these albums are very different. I know nothing about the vocals (aside from being "pagan", which could mean anything since nobody knows what actual pagan folk songs of the middle ages sounded like), guitars, production, musicianship, songwriting style, influences, general sound, or highlights of the album.
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Woolie_Wool wrote:
What about the production?

mentioned that.

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Musicianship?

if it's competent it doesn't warrant mention. And who is the judge of a good musician? what if the musicianship isn't great, but the music is still great? (does Metallica really have good musicianship?!--does it matter?). If I was tackling Tech./Prog. genres I'd be sure to say something about their competence, since those genres depend upon creativity and musicianship. If Korpiklaani know how to play a guitar and a violin, but they aren't spectacular creative musicians like Symphony X or whoever you like, why give my impression of their talent rather than just speaking on what the music sounds like? I'm not reviewing a band for American Idol, I'm reviewing an album which could be enjoyable or terrible irrespective of how good a musician a band member is, it really depends on the listener.

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Songwriting.

subjective and not important to everyone; moreover, I may not speak the language that every band worth reviewing uses.

Should I say to myself 'well, I only speak English, so fuck all those awesome bands that no one has reviewed yet, they don't deserve to be spoken of, since I can't comment on the profound significance of lyrics which are irrelevant to a whole world of potential listeners (including myself)'?

Woolie_Wool wrote:
Particularly interesting aspects of the album or the band?

already mentioned those.

Woolie_Wool wrote:
Songs that stand out as being particularly good, bad, or otherwise of interest?

if I don't think there are any?
what should 'I like this song' matter to anyone? how does that tell them more about the album than the actual style the band plays and what elements they employ?

In my experience, fans of the same band as often as not have entirely different favorite songs, so it would be pointless or even misleading to single out songs when the point is the album. The only time I'd do that is when one song is a stylistic exception, or far better than the rest somehow.

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Two paragraphs is not much of a review.

length is moot. If you can say what it sounds like in two paragraphs, why bore people to tears pontificating for five paragraphs?

Woolie_Wool wrote:
All the Galar review tells me is that it's folky black metal. There are a billion folky black metal albums, For all I know it could sound like Bergtatt, Dark Medieval Times, The Olden Domain. a Falkenbach album, or even one of Dimmu Borgir's early demos.


Perhaps they do sound like some Dimmu songs to some people. Bergtatt was a very raw album, if the production was extremely raw I would have said so. Instead, I compared their sound to Taunusheim's Nebelkämpfe. Should I add a list of all the bands they do and don't sound like, rather than expecting the audience knows what epic riffs and generic Black Metal passages sound like?

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I know nothing about the vocals (aside from being "pagan", which could mean anything since nobody knows what actual pagan folk songs of the middle ages sounded like).

straw man. I'm obviously not saying they sound like something no one could actually know the sound of.
if you were someone interested in the album, you would probably know what Pagan vocals [as fans of Pagan Metal use the word] sound like (in fact, you'd probably know the difference between Scandinavian, Germanic, and Slavic pagan vocals, and what a poor imitation sounds like, and looking at the country of origin of the band on the same website the review is featured you could deduce their specific sound, unless it is otherwise specified that it dissents from the general trend (the way one might say 'this MeloDeath band is from Gothenburg, but they don't play the Gothenburg cliche' of MeloDeath')). This is the same as if you were looking at a Death Metal album, you'd know what deep DM growls sound like, you wouldn't expect a linguistics lecture. My job isn't to give a 101 on what the genre consists of in every single review, no more than you're going to draw up a drum pattern in every Brutal Death Metal band review to explain to some ignorant twit what a blast-beat is.

I'm really not happy to take the time to bore my audience with remarks that insult them.--If you're giving a sermon in church, you don't take the time to explain who this 'Jesus' character is, you respect the background knowledge the audience is bringing to the table.

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I know nothing about the...guitars.

generic Black Metal riffs, but epic in the slower moments--if you listen to the Epic/Folk Black Metal bands you'll know what to expect, and if you don't, why are you reading about this band? (combine this with the presence or absence of clean vocals, country of origin, language, and production style, and you can converge on their sound, and rule out bands their mere genre classification is the same as--isn't it better that you do this, since you know the bands you know, than to expect me to list every band I know who don't sound the same to underscore the reasons why they don't sound the same, as if I can rely on you knowing all of them?).

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production...influences, general sound...

already covered that

Woolie_Wool wrote:
...highlights...

to who?
Do you want to know what the album sounds like, or what I like the sound of?
I'm not writing a biography, I'm writing a review.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:33 pm 
 

Erotetic wrote:
What about the production?

mentioned that.[/quote]
"Faultless" is a worthless description. Describe what it sounds like. Is it crisp? Lo-fi? Is the guitar tone particularly hard-edged? How do the drums sound? Is the bass audible? Does it have a decent tone?

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if it's competent it doesn't warrant mention.

Yes it does, you could say it's competent, and preferably something more detailed than that. For all I know they could have more chops than Symphony X or less than early Sarcofago.

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And who is the judge of a good musician?

You are, dumbass, you're the one writing the review! Judging things is your job as a reviewer! :durr:

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what if the musicianship isn't great, but the music is still great?

Then say so! Anything that will help the reader better understand exactly what this album sounds like is good.

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(does Metallica really have good musicianship?!--does it matter?). If I was tackling Tech./Prog. genres I'd be sure to say something about their competence, since those genres depend upon creativity and musicianship. If Korpiklaani know how to play a guitar and a violin, but they aren't spectacular creative musicians like Symphony X or whoever you like, why give my impression of their talent rather than just speaking on what the music sounds like?

Because their talent, as heard on the album, will affect the way the album sounds. Even simple music sounds different played by highly skilled musicians than when played by people who barely have six months of experience.

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I'm not reviewing a band for American Idol, I'm reviewing an album which could be enjoyable or terrible irrespective of how good a musician a band member is, it really depends on the listener.

See above. The album is a product of the band members; their skill, playing style, and the way their instruments sound will greatly affect the album.

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subjective and not important to everyone; moreover, I may not speak every language of a band worth reviewing.

"Speak every language"? I'm not just talking about lyrics, I'm talking about the way songs are constructed, the riffs used, the melodies used, how different parts flow together, whether songs are too long, too short, etc. As for subjectivity, reviews are subjective. A review is your opinion of the music written down in a concrete and detailed form. There is no such thing as a an "objective" or "unbiased" review.

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already mentioned those.

Not really.

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if I don't think there are any?

If there aren't any, that means it's a boring fucking album. If you liked the album than certainly some things caught your attention, right? Do you even pay attention when you listen to music?

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what should 'I like this song' matter to anyone? how does that tell them more about the album than the actual style the band plays and what elements they employ?

Because reviews are opinion pieces. A dry, clinical categorization of an album is not a review. If you like something, talk about what you like about it. If you hate something, talk about what you hate about it. If it bored you, talk about why it was boring.

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In my experience, people as often as not have entirely different favorite songs, so it would be pointless or even misleading to single out songs when the point is the album. The only time I'd do that is when one song is a stylistic exception, or far better than the rest somehow.

Irrelevant. The review is about YOUR impression of the music.

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length is moot. If you can say what it sounds like in two paragraphs, why bore people to tears pontificating for five paragraphs?

Because you can't. I learned almost nothing about Galar's music from your review.

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Perhaps they do sound like some Dimmu songs to some people. Bergtatt was a very raw album, if the production was extremely raw I would have said so. Instead, I compared their sound to Taunusheim's Nebelkämpfe. Should I add a list of all the bands they do and don't sound like, rather than expecting the audience knows what epic riffs and generic Black Metal passages sound like?

Taunusheim. An obscure one-album wonder with a single review to their name. Why would you expect anyone to know who Taunusheim are? Draw parallels to well-known and recognized bands in the scene and to whatever parts of the scene it draws from the most.

Also "generic" is generally not a positive thing to call something. Generic means it's bland, undistinguished, not notable, boring, threadbare, etc. If something is good than it is not generic.

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if you were someone interested in the album, you would probably know what Pagan vocals sound like, just as if you were looking at a Death Metal album, you'd know what deep DM growls sound like. My job isn't to give a 101 on what the genre consists of in every single review, no more than you're going to draw up a drum pattern in every Brutal Death Metal band review to explain to some ignorant twit what a blast-beat is.

"Pagan" is a very nebulous term. Early Satyricon, early Borknagar, Burzum, Enslaved, Amon Amarth, and Cauldron Born all have pagan themes and imagery, and they sound very different--the latter two aren't even black metal, and Cauldron Born do not even have harsh vocals. "Pagan" doesn't mean a goddamn thing. Is he particularly raspy? Gurgly? Deep? Strained? Shrieky? Melancholy? Furious? Goofy? Does he have an unusual accent like Attila Csihar? Is there anyone he sounds like in particular? Are his cleans in a high, low, or mid register? Does he have a wide range? Are his cleans grunting and abrasive, high-pitched wailing, operatic, smooth Garmish monk chants, what? I don't know any of these things.

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generic Black Metal riffs, but epic in the slower moments--if you listen to the Epic/Folk Black Metal bands you'll know what to expect, and if you don't, why are you reading about this band? (combine this with the presence or absence of clean vocals, country of origin, language, and production style, and you can converge on their sound, and rule out bands their mere genre classification is the same as--isn't it better that you do this, since you know the bands you know, than to expect me to list every band I know who don't sound the same to underscore the reasons why they don't sound the same, as if I can rely on you knowing all of them?).

Bullshit. I don't know much about modern European power metal, but when I read one of hells_unicorn's power metal reviews and then listen to it, his description is usually pretty accurate.

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already covered that

In next to no detail.

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to who?
Do you want to know what the album sounds like, or what I like the sound of?

How about both? Your ultimate job, you know, is to say whether it's a good record or not, that's why the review has the score right at the very top. I could write a three paragraph review talking about how Rust in Peace is a thrash metal album with an "odd" production and "drawled" vocals, and how they have "epic" moments, and nobody would learn anything about Rust in Peace or if they should buy it or not.

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I'm not writing a biography, I'm writing a review.

Yeah, and your job is to tell a reader, who has not heard of this band before, and doesn't know anything about what they sound like, what this album sounds like in great detail, and its quality or lack thereof. You aren't doing this. You can't take your audience for granted. Don't assume that they know exactly what a Norwegian folk/black metal band will sound like, especially since there are tons of Norwegian folk/black metal bands that sound nothing alike.

I'm wondering how much attention you paid while listening to these albums. Before writing a review, listen to the album alone in a quiet room with no distractions, all the way through, twice if possible. While listening, take in everything you hear, analyze it in your mind, and take mental notes. Memorize anything remotely interesting so you can write about it later. And then play the album again while you are writing the review, to keep it fresh in your mind.
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if it's competent it doesn't warrant mention.

Yes it does, you could say it's competent


do you honestly expect that not to be implied? should I comment on the drums if they aren't significant? if they exist but don't matter? (and if you think they matter, you can write a review about how they matter...but supposedly my opinion is what you want, and my opinion is implicit in my silence)

should I also say 'the drummer is good at drumming' just because he hits the right drums, as if he knows more than you or I?

and if I say nothing, do you really think 'hmm, he didn't mention the drummer, I wonder if there's a drummer, and drums, or if they're conspicuously absent and yet he didn't think their absence worthy of note, I just have no concept of plausibility, I really wish he'd write as though he knew I was an ignoramus'.



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preferably something more detailed than that. For all I know they could have more chops than Symphony X or less than early Sarcofago.


they <i>could</i>, for all I know, too--it's not relevant to some of us. If you want to write reviews about that, because that's what you like, then you can do that. But this is all about my opinion, right? so shouldnt I give my opinion on things I actually have an opinion on?

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And who is the judge of a good musician?

You are, dumbass, you're the one writing the review! Judging things is your job as a reviewer! :durr:


I'm not reviewing the band member's musicianship, I'm reviewing the music.

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sometimes it doesn't. If it's competent and nothing special, it doesn't warrant mention; one can take for granted that it isn't so bad that it had to be pointed out as a problem.

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There is no such thing as an "objective" or "unbiased" review.


Your vocabulary is insufficient to discourse on such matters.
There is such a thing as epistemic objectivity, otherwise there would be no trend of writing reviews that dispute the contents of prior reviews, or griping about the ignorance of the youngens doing misguided reviews (on par with the 'why aren't [mallcore band xyz] on Metal-Archives, they're metal'--the admins didn't say 'we're just biased against them', nor did they say 'you say tomayto, I say tomahto', they say 'you don't know shit'.). While including ontologically subjective remarks may be a human propensity, it's hardly what makes a review worth reading--we don't say 'oh, the king like's Bach, therefore I shall like Bach', you aren't the king, and people don't want to be like you and like what you like, they want to know if something sounds like the things they like the sound of.

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if I don't think there are any?

If there aren't any, that means it's a boring fucking album. If you liked the album than certainly some things caught your attention, right?


bullshit. consistency isn't necessarily monotony. Some elements might catch my attention, but they don't necessarily have to all be better in one or two songs than all the rest.

Moreover, suppose it is a boring album, is it not worth reviewing? If it's boring to me, does that mean it must be boring to you? That I don't like one song above the rest means you won't, or means that I shouldn't bother to say anything at all about the way the album sounds?

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Because reviews are opinion pieces. A dry, clinical categorization of an album is not a review. If you like something, talk about what you like about it. If you hate something, talk about what you hate about it. If it bored you, talk about why it was boring.


I write reviews so that people know what to expect--so that they can find music they like, not so that they can get to know my preferences on a more intimate level... 'dear adoring fans, my favorite color is green and I love Bach; since I'm such a huge celebrity, I just thought you guys would be dying to know that'.

If YOU read reviews because you just desperately want to get to know all about the preferences of anonymous stranger x or y, you're fuckin' crazy, and you have no good reason for reading reviews of music you like than music you would never listen to in a thousand years.

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Irrelevant. The review is about YOUR impression of the music.


my ontological subjectivities with the music ('my taste') are irrelevant. You will like or dislike the music irrespective of how I feel about it.
All that matters is the epistemically objective impression of the music (i.e., 'how it sounds'--what the album contains).

You can pretend all you want that your taste is good or important, but you're not special, and what you like is completely irrelevant and unhelpful to know about.

Readers are not friends who're looking for something to get you for your birthday, they're not searching for what YOU like, but for what THEY like.

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length is moot. If you can say what it sounds like in two paragraphs, why bore people to tears pontificating for five paragraphs?

Because you can't. I learned almost nothing about Galar's music from your review.


And if you don't speak English you'll learn nothing from a review written in English.

You aren't my target audience. I'm no more going to explain in every review on Pagan Metal what Pagan Metal consists of than I'm going to explain English grammar in my reviews so that foreigners can from scratch--from a position of complete ignorance--read my reviews.

If you don't know that Pagan Metal sounds a particular way, why on earth would you be tracking down reviews on Pagan Metal bands? Would you not, instead, simply listen to the bands?

Did you read about Classical, or Rap, or Death Metal and then go 'holy fuck, that description is awesome, I think it's time to actually _hear_ this for myself'? I doubt this is how most readers operate. More likely, they already like a genre, find bands of that genre, and want reviews to give them some idea how they sound.

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Taunusheim. An obscure one-album wonder with a single review to their name. Why would you expect anyone to know who Taunusheim are? Draw parallels to well-known and recognized bands in the scene and to whatever parts of the scene it draws from the most.


I don't expect 'anyone' to, I only expect anyone looking up Galar to be familiar with the notable albums in the genre Galar are following in.

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Also "generic" is generally not a positive thing to call something. Generic means it's bland, undistinguished, not notable, boring, threadbare, etc. If something is good than it is not generic.


generic explains exactly how some parts of their music sound. But certain segments are not their entire repertoire.

one detracting trait doesn't necessarily negate all the positive qualities and invalidate the consideration of a band as 'good'.

Alternatively, if TO YOU it does, then you have learned that TO YOU the band might not sound good, since not all the transitions in their songs are noteworthy or special. Further evidence that my taste is irrelevant and is to be a mere happenstance addition here and there when I can't restrain my need to talk about me and what I like, rather than say what needs to be heard, not a necessity.
If I thought my preferences were what needed to be heard, I'd be writing reviews on Death Metal bands evangelizing about why I love Black Metal, and why other people should buy the Black Metal albums I buy instead of listening to Death Metal.
It's utterly absurd.

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"Pagan" is a very nebulous term. Early Satyricon, early Borknagar, Burzum, Enslaved, Amon Amarth, and Cauldron Born all have pagan themes and imagery, and they sound very different
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another pathetic straw man.--I never said Pagan themes or imagery.
You may as well be saying 'some metal is iron, some copper, calling this band metal doesn't tell me whether they're more like aluminum or tin!'--If you don't know what metal means, why are you on a band's page reading a review about them?

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the latter two aren't even black metal.


and since you know Galar ARE black metal, you can triangulate, as I described earlier, on what bands you know of that they will or won't sound like.

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"Pagan" doesn't mean a goddamn thing. Is he particularly raspy? Gurgly? Deep? Strained? Shrieky? Melancholy? Furious? Goofy?... Are his cleans in a high, low, or mid register? Does he have a wide range? Are his cleans grunting and abrasive, high-pitched wailing, operatic, smooth Garmish monk chants, what? I don't know any of these things.


exactly--you don't know.
Do you really expect me to explain what distortion on an electric guitar sounds like, in detail sufficient for someone who has never heard distortion before?

if you knew the genre--if you were someone likely to read the review, i.e., if you were my audience--you would most likely already have the answer in your background as surely as 'black metal' would be descriptive to you, even though it means NOTHING at all to anyone who has never heard black metal. It would be a complete insult to the audience to explain the differences between Power and Death and Prog and Black Metal rather than just take the shortcut expecting that they know the basics of the genres into which they're inquiring for bands that [in terms of their taste preferences] are worth hearing.

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How about both? Your ultimate job, you know, is to say whether it's a good record or not, that's why the review has the score right at the very top. I could write a three paragraph review talking about how Rust in Peace is a thrash metal album with an "odd" production and "drawled" vocals, and how they have "epic" moments, and nobody would learn anything about Rust in Peace or if they should buy it or not.


A positive review for the new Britney Spears album doesn't tell you that _you_ should buy it.

If they know what Thrash sounds like, and they know what they like, they will know if they want to hear it (and upon hearing it they'll know whether or not they want to buy it).

The only thing they don't know is whether or not YOU want to buy it.

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your job is to tell a reader, who has not heard of this band before, and doesn't know anything about what they sound like, what this album sounds like in great detail, and its quality or lack thereof.


which I've done.

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You can't take your audience for granted.


of course I can. This isn't a magazine--the only people who find the reviews are those who are specifically looking for information about the band. Presumably there is a reason why they chose that band rather than one of the other 70,000. Presumably that reason is because they think that band will sound like other bands they like. Presumably they won't get amnesia prior to reading the review.

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Don't assume that they know exactly what a Norwegian folk/black metal band will sound like, especially since there are tons of Norwegian folk/black metal bands that sound nothing alike.


granted. I could have said more in that instance, and usually I do distinguish clean and raw production, compare them to similar bands, and do the same for the vocals. In this instance, it wasn't the most pertinent, but deserves a slight mention...just in case a Black Metal fan is going to dislike an album because the production is poor LMAO.

what of the rest, though? you seem to have fixated exclusively on the issue of their production--it's Black Metal and it's good by Black Metal standards, but you want to know more. Ok, that's fine...odd, but fine.


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Personally I think the content of the reviews is fine, only the English seems quite shaky. Are you sure that's not what they were rejected for? Just seems odd otherwise, I know that a number of mods appreciate reviews that get to the point without too much stuffing and frosting and all.
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EntilZha wrote:
Personally I think the content of the reviews is fine, only the English seems quite shaky. Are you sure that's not what they were rejected for? Just seems odd otherwise, I know that a number of mods appreciate reviews that get to the point without too much stuffing and frosting and all.


[assuming you're replying to me, since mine is the most recent post] yep: I quoted the stock (copy-paste) response I was given to all three reviews.

English is my only language, so I'd be interested to know what you take issue with (even though it's not the reason for my initial inquiry, here).

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Erotetic wrote:
EntilZha wrote:
Personally I think the content of the reviews is fine, only the English seems quite shaky. Are you sure that's not what they were rejected for? Just seems odd otherwise, I know that a number of mods appreciate reviews that get to the point without too much stuffing and frosting and all.


[assuming you're replying to me, since mine is the most recent post] yep: I quoted the stock (copy-paste) response I was given to all three reviews.

English is my only language, so I'd be interested to know what you take issue with (even though it's not the reason for my initial inquiry, here).


You'd better look into the Review FAQ for ideas. As EntilZha said, some moderators appreciate short-to-the-point reviews - but some (or should I say - most) of them don't, so if you really want to have your opinion heard - you'd rather go with the guidelines and not leave it up to luck (since you can't really tell whether or when the "right" mod is the one who's working on the review queue).
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Anyone else completely dumbfounded at how this guy could write that long of a response but his reviews were so damn short? Erotetic, if you think all of these things Woolie is mentioning don't belong in a review...stop writing them. I mean, it's seriously just weird. You are putting so much thought into these posts but you can't just write a more in depth, thoughtful review?
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Empyreal wrote:
Anyone else completely dumbfounded at how this guy could write that long of a response but his reviews were so damn short?


Yes. I'm also quite curious as to why he chose to post in the Review Feedback thread, when he is so very unwilling to listen to the feedback offered. It's not the "Post your review here and be patronising until a mod apologises to you for having the audacity to have rejected what is clearly a perfect review" thread, after all. If you're going to go out of your way to ask about how to have your reviews accepted, adopting a little humility wouldn't be a bad idea.
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Sooo...

PsychoGoatee: Go to the Review FAQ to look for ideas on how to give your review more substance. Once you're done, PLEASE post it here again, since the formatting also needs polishing.

DethFanatic: No idea why it didn't pass out as it is, but try adding the "my favorite track" paragraph to the one above it, since it thematically fits in there anyway.

WhackooyZero, there you go:
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I should establish right away that I do not consider myself a Nightwish fan. Most of their material seems to be overly poppy, the lyrics are too whiny, the keyboards just sound cheesy and overly Gothic like, and for the most part they are just overrated and lacking most metal elements. Sure they have had a few good songs throughout their career, but have never put out a memorable ALBUM. That is, other than Oceanborn. This album is quite simply a masterpiece. It is pretty much the only Nightwish album to have no fillers, to be completely power metal and the only to lack most of the annoying pop elements. Yes, this album does indeed deserve to be held in the same league as other 90's power metal masterpieces such as Stratovarius' "Episode" and "Dreamspace", Gamma Ray's "Land Of The Free", Virgin Steele's "Marriage" albums through "Atreus", and Angra's "Holy Land". Granted it's not quite as good as a few of those, but pretty close.

One of the strongest points of this album is the fact that it doesn't really sound much like any other power metal albums. Structure-wise it's pretty similar, but the melodies are quite different. It's kind of hard to describe, but if you listen to it you will see. Also, the atmosphere is very strong in this album, bringing up images of mystical serenity. Musically, this is relatively reminiscent of Stratovarius. In fact, the opener "Stargazers"(pretty much the best straight ahead song they ever made) has a VERY Jens Johansson sounding lead intro, and the riffs at times sound Timo Tolkki esque. This song storms forward with great power while the fantastic vocals of Tarja Turunen weave entrancing melodies leading to an epic finale.Everything is at it's best here. Never again would they ever write a song as aggressive as "Devil And The Deep Dark Ocean"(it's pretty aggressive by Nightwish standards), or as catchy as "Sacrament Of Wilderness". Emppu delivers a much more powerful guitar performance then he usually does, the keyboards don't sound too processed and fake like later. Tarja Turunen delivers potentially her most powerful performance in "Passion And The Opera" with lyrics not too unlike "Nymphomaniac Quest" from the previous album. However musically, it's superior, and the ending opera-esque section is a fantastic closing to probably their most operatic song.

Another anomaly on this album (for a lot of PM bands but especially for Nightwish) is that, even though there are THREE BALLADS, they all are fantastic. They really do a romantic atmosphere quite well, although I have to admit these songs ("Swanheart", "Walking In The Air" and "Sleeping Sun") do get stale more so than the other songs on the album. But the height of this band's ability is found in "The Pharaoh Sails To Orion". I don't know where to begin with this one. The first section is probably the most metal we'll ever find this band, with the male vocals fitting in perfectly. The melody that comes in half way through is also amazing. I just can't tell you how strong this song is, and how it encapsulates everything that could possibly be good about this band. The end also includes some great guitar shredding.

Now, before you start to think my original statement is invalid, there are some flaws here. First off, as I said earlier, this album is not QUITE up there with the other classics of this era because the album isn't too varied. The music is very influenced by romantic era classical music, and it basically sticks to that the whole time. Secondly, emotionally the album doesn't change much the whole time, and like all Nightwish albums, this album lacks almost any conceivable form of aggression(other then the aforementioned "Devil And The Deep Dark Ocean" and "The Pharaoh Sails To Orion").

So although it's not quite as brilliant as some other albums from the same era, because of it's musical originality(it's hard to think of bands who sound similar to this) it in many ways it still deserves to heralded as one of the all time great metal classics. Yup, right up there with "Painkiller", "Abigail", "Invictus", "Episode", "The Spectre Within", and "Darkness Descends". It is really sad the band so quickly sold out. They never really captured the atmosphere and originality of this album, and eventually their quest for musical forgetfulness actually became admirable by other bands such as Evanescence. So much so, that being caught listening to anything from any of their albums(aside from this one, Angels Fall First, and a few select tracks from the rest) is actually quite embarrassing. Although that rarely happens since I almost never listen to the rest of their material other then what I have already mentioned. As there really are better bands in the genre to listen to.

But at least we'll always have "Oceanborn".


Woolie_Wool, it's a great review in my opinion, had me laughing several times. Here's a suggestion of how I'd think the formatting should be:

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Like every form of music that has existed since the first caveman banged two sticks together in a rhythmic fashion and marveled at his invention of the beat, there has been a lot of bad music in metal. Some of the music is bad because it is dishonest and commercial, devoid of anything resembling integrity - here you have your sellouts, your Sepulturas, your Dimmu Borgirs. Some music is bad because it is soulless and lacking in inspiration, going through the motions without a spark of life - think later Iced Earth, or Thomen Stauch's half-assed attempt to resurrect Blind Guardian in Savage Circus. Some music fails because it employs terrible ideas, like every band that decided oinking like a distressed pig was "sikk". But Thrash Queen are on an entirely different plane of existence. This is a band that has nothing going for it at all - no skill, no inspiration, no songwriting, no integrity, not a single goddamn thing. There is bad, and there is Thrash Queen. Nothing else comes close.

Thrash Queen were a (alleged) thrash metal band from New England whose big gimmick is, as you may have guessed, being composed of women (a gimmick that would be used far more successfully by Meanstreak, a band most notable for three of its members marrying members of Dream Theater and for being much, much better than Thrash Queen). It's hard to expect much from a gimmick band, especially a gimmick band that don't even seem to understand the genre they're supposed to be playing (the band picture is 100% glam), but Thrash Queen do not have a musical bone to share among all four of their bodies. After only a few days of trying to learn the bass guitar, fumbling through "Freezing Moon" using half-remembered techniques I learned on the upright bass way back in middle school, the sounds I made with my piece of shit $200 Squier bass were more musical than this. The only riffs that exist are simple patterns of quarter note power chords (like the obnoxious 0-4-3-4 riff that kicks off "Chasing the Dragon" and sounds like it came from a particularly bad Myspace black metal band), mallcorish stop start patterns that somehow managed to predate mallcore by twelve years, and midpaced open-string chugging. In short, Thrash Queen do not thrash. The only thing remotely thrash about this is the drumming, extremely incompetent "snare polka" bashing whose tendency to wander out of sync with the music is only partially obscured by the atrocious production (more on that later). The vocals are a faux-masculine whiny screech, like an imitation Kai Hansen with a sore throat and a range of about half an octave. Some of the melodies are simple enough to resemble nursery rhymes, composed entirely of only one or two tones. One wonders why, despite the whole girl power gimmick, "Princess Die" (yes, that's what she calls herself) tries so hard to sound like a man. As for bass, there's a low-pitched thrum following the guitars. I think that might be the bass. The production is also bad, and not good bad, not raw bad, but BAD. This is worse than Nattens Madrigal, worse than Death's demos, worse than most concert bootlegs. The drums are buried under a layer of distortion and static that only affords the listener a vague impression of the beat. The guitar tone is one of the weakest I have heard on a heavy metal album, like the one on Megadeth's Killing is My Business (which was already pretty wimpy) but much thinner. The vocals wander in and out from behind the guitars, like the world's shittiest rays of sunlight dappled through the world's shittiest trees, and pan from left to right or right to left for no apparent reason. Sometimes a channel will just cut out for a second and come back. This sort of sound wouldn't be acceptable on a demo; on an album it's revolting.

"Manslayer" is a miserable opening track, alternating between an extremely simplistic descending arpeggio that is used for around 80% of the song. Yes, a single bar riff of four chords composes most of this song, and most of the rest is stop-start open E chords like you'd hear in an Evanescence song. There's a solo that resembles every other solo on this album, a mindless stream of very slow shredding (I know that sounds contradictory, but the solo is really that bad) with the occasional basic pentatonic lick thrown in wherever Vikki Stone felt like it, played very sloppily. Like most of the songs here, "Manslayer" does not have any real ending, it just kind of stops in its tracks because the band decided that the song should stop. The second track, "No Way Home", starts with an actual riff, an actually rather decent Sabbathian motif that makes you think that perhaps the album might not be as bad as you thought. Don't be fooled; it quickly descends into mindless eighth-note chugging like a cut-rate ripoff of "Exciter" (where's the thrash already?) that occasionally reverts back to the intro riff, which becomes more and more tired each time. The vocals are especially nursery-rhyme-ish here, the melodies barely qualifying as such. Thrash Queen do not seem to understand the idea of verses, choruses, and song structure, and simply seem to switch back and forth between the opening riff and the chug riff whenever the mood strikes them.

From here the album seems content to repeat itself, serving up a structureless mess of half-assed speed metal chugging and attempts at melodic hook riffs (usually tired NWOBHM castoffs) that fall flatter than a Kansas highway. "Retribution" and "Unwed Mother" are virtually identical, and the only way to tell that "Retribution" has ended and "Unwed Mother" has begun is to look at the playlist because the riffs are extremely similar. Some of the songs attempt a "Whiplash"-like stomp, but the result sounds more like a metal version of an oompah band, especially with the shitty production making the snare almost impossible to hear so all you get is THUMP A THUMP A THUMP A THUMP. Each song takes a rhythm and tempo and follows it to the end, with little distinction between different parts of the song (don't even ask for a thrash break). "Prayer for the Ship" and "Tired of Waiting" attempt to break the mold a bit by basically being (terrible) NWOBHM and...I have no idea what "Tired of Waiting" is trying to sound like, but ultimately go nowhere and do nothing worthwhile, each taking only a couple of musical ideas and repeating them relentlessly - "Tired of Waiting" uses the same stop-start open-string bash for the verses, the chorus, and even the fucking bridge, managing to be so repetitive that the only real change in the music is a "gear change" modulation in the last few reptitions of the chorus. "Chasing the Dragon" is nothing but a rehash of "Manslayer" with a different opening riff (that stupid Myspace-BM one I told you about, and it is actually somewhat memorable in its sheer awfulness and the way it is pounded into your head over and over). Was this an attempt at symmetry? Are a band this completely worthless even capable of coming up with such a concept? The only least horrible song on the album is "Now You Ain't Got Me", which has a couple of bona fide thrash riffs (!) that sound like riffs that Dave Mustaine threw out during the Killing is My Business sessions for sucking too much. Sure, they suck, but even cheap knock-off Megadeth is a vast improvement upon pounding on open E until the listener's ears bleed out. Also Mustaine-like are the bursts of guitar soloing thrown in here and there, which are no better than any of the album's other solos, but are welcome for breaking up the monotony. They still can't wrap their minds around the idea of using a different riff for the chorus, and it isn't one-tenth of any actual Megadeth song, but "Now You Ain't Got Me" is slightly less awful than everything else here.


This album is shit. Complete fucking shit. It is the worst thing I've ever heard that has ever been classified as metal, and yes, that includes I Wrestled a Bear Once. It is interesting to note that an unscrupulous record label called Metal Enterprises in Germany later illegally used the Thrash Queen name for a recording made by a bunch of the label's studio musicians. The result was a mishmash of generic guitar riffs, listless drum machine banging, and a woman with a hilariously thick German accent shrieking gibberish on top (LET'Z MEK LOAVE IN ZE REFRIGERATOUR!), with songs looped over and over so that they pushed 9 minutes each, and it was better than this. No, really. That's how bad this album is. At least the Metal Enterprises album is so ridiculous that you can mock it.In short, do not buy this album. Do not listen to this album. Do not even listen to it ironically for laughs, because it's not funny. It sucks huge iron rods suspended in the sky and blows like Hurricane Katrina. There is no talent, no integrity, and no thought put into this; it is a stupid gimmick album that probably a few women bought in the mid-'80s and threw in the garbage when they realized how awful it was, and it's not worth the (considerable) effort it takes to track this down. The music that this seems to most wish it was is Megadeth's early demo output, so get Killing Is My Business if you haven't already; it, unlike this, is actually good music.

Fuck this band.

Killer tracks: Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:15 pm 
 

yentass wrote:
You'd better look into the Review FAQ for ideas.


already had, before submitting them.

It didn't suggest to me that I should turn information about the band into a livejournal entry for my friends.

yentass wrote:
if you really want to have your opinion heard - you'd rather go with the guidelines and not leave it up to luck (since you can't really tell whether or when the "right" mod is the one who's working on the review queue).


I really just want people to know whether or not a band is something <i>they'll</i> want to listen to. I highly doubt most people search usernames rather than band names, in the desire to like the same things a particular reviewer likes. If I'm wrong, if that's what people do, and that is what Metal-Archives therefore rightly cater to, I've gotten all the feedback I need.

I'm currently planning on looking into 100+ bands this year...none of them have reviews, so I have no idea what they're going to sound like. It would have been useful to've known more than an inaccurate genre classification of each. It would be useless to know that one guy somewhere in the world thinks the album is awesome, since I'm unimpressed by plenty of popular albums.

It comes as a big surprise to me that MetalArchives admins would want primarily to hear about people's feelings, rather than the music.

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Anyone else completely dumbfounded at how this guy could write that long of a response but his reviews were so damn short?


I made both my reviews and my posts as succinct as time allowed.
Obviously I'm arguing for a perspective on the value of reviews different to what another member holds, so more needs to be said--describing my belief would be shorter than defending it. If I was proselytizing why people should listen to Black Metal rather than Death Metal, rather than describing a Black Metal band, that would be much longer than a normal review.

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Erotetic, if you think all of these things Woolie is mentioning don't belong in a review...stop writing them. I mean, it's seriously just weird. You are putting so much thought into these posts but you can't just write a more in depth, thoughtful review?


they are thoughtful. I listen carefully for all the elements of the album that in my opinion are important, and mention them, as well as whether or not they are notably good or bad.
I could <i>add pointless emotional drivel</i>, but not <i>be more thoughtful</i> (except in that one instance where I forgot to describe the particular engineering of the typical Scandinavian BM production).

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I'm also quite curious as to why he chose to post in the Review Feedback thread, when he is so very unwilling to listen to the feedback offered.


I'm listening to it, but I'm also trying to understand it, and that requires voicing my disputes with what has been explicated here as the M-A preference--'tell us how you feel about the album, not just what the album sounds like'. I find it hard to believe that Metal-Archives wants people to head over to Cannibal Corpse or Metallica's page, and write about how unimpressive they feel their music is, as if that's remotely helpful to the kinds of people who will be looking for information on their albums because they tend to think it's quite good music. ...Or perhaps that is desirable with the generic genres where there is very little notable stylistic and instrumental difference between bands. With the genres I'm writing in, however, there is a lot of diversity between bands not indicated by their classification, and whether it's likeable or not to the reader depends on all sorts of things--do you want clean vocals, do some kinds of female vocals annoy you, do you hate bagpipes, are you looking for a particular atmosphere or tempo, are you looking specifically for epic leads, etc.

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If you're going to go out of your way to ask about how to have your reviews accepted, adopting a little humility wouldn't be a bad idea.


if it turns out that the concept of a review is indeed little more than a livejournal entry, then it turns out that I <i>don't</i> want my reviews accepted here.
I didn't come to this thread expecting to make such a discovery as that. I had a lot of respect for Metal-Archives, and my interpretation of the FAQ clearly differs from what has been emphasized by one poster in this thread.--If his perspective on the primacy of the reviewer over the reviewed is confirmed by an admin/mod I'll happily give up submitting reviews, and abandon all expectations of reviews I see on the site being useful to me.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:07 pm 
 

My comments:

Erotetic wrote:
Eluveitie - Evocation I - The Arcane Dominion
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A Unique Contribution to Folk Rock

This album constantly weaves between [1] neofolk numbers, [2] and catchy and fun folk rock tracks (achieved in style and vibe, entirely without electric guitar). Eluveitie are, of course, from Switzerland [3], but the album is full of beautiful Celtic melodies and female vocals that vary from a French pop music style to an eastern European village chorus feel. Excellent production and instrument selection secure the success of a well-thought out and cohesive collection songs.[4]

Metalheads not fond of neofolk/ambient genres [5] might be a little frustrated by the fluctuating pace of this album ([6] its lack of incessant formulaic Gothenburg melo-death that might have been expected), but this is an essential [7] album for folk rock and neofolk fans, or anyone who appreciates beautiful music and doesn't just want to headbang.

1. I don't think "to weave between" is English.
2. I think that's a comma splice, I dunno though, that particular fallacy has always eluded me and I do it plenty.
3. I don't see how that is connected with the rest of the sentence that follows it.
4. Collection OF songs.
5. You said neofolk and fun folk rock in the first sentence, where does the ambient suddenly come from? And why do you say "genres" in plural, are different or particular subgenres of neofolk and ambient presented here?
6. Pretty sure you'd want to add an "and" here. And a quick mention that incessant melo-death is what Eluveitie are usually known for, because I'm fairly certain that's what you're implying, but I can't be sure because it seems so vague and random the way you put it.
7. Now "essential" is a big word, and here you will definitely have to elaborate your opinion a little further. If you just said that it's "good" the content of the review is fine, but "essential" implies something greater and more unique than just "full of beautiful melodies".

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Oakhelm - Betwixt and Between

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Betwixt and Between Trumpery and Triumph[1]

The only nice things I can say about this album are [2] to do with the lead guitarist: his riffs are reminiscent of Eternal Tears of Sorrow, Isengard, and Thyrfing; and “Maybon Shore”, the second acoustic interlude on the album, is a Neofolk [3] instrumental as good as Finntroll's "Rök" or Catamenia's "Outro" to Halls of Frozen North.

The vocalist, from a death metal and doom background, provides annoying trollish black metal vocals [4]; the drummer, also from a death metal background, contributes humdrum drumming [5] (blast-beats at times). The occasional clean pagan vocals are passable (thanks, in part, to being largely drowned out in the mix); on on [6] "As the Murder Flies" we are given one rare glimpse [7] deep clean doom vocals and death metal growls that show where the vocalist's true talent lies.

Hopefully the guitarists (nothing wrong with either of them) will scour the US and find better talent to work with for future epic/folk-oriented projects, rather than wasting their riffs, because as nice as the riffs are, it’s just not worth enduring the rest of this band in order to hear it.

1. Huh?
2. I suppose it's correct, not just a very good looking choice. *shrugs*
3. Shush! Don't capitalize that! Also, not everyone might have heard those particular songs by Finntroll and Catamenia, even fans of such music, and "neofolk" is a broad genre, so you're really saying very little.
4. What do you mean by "trollish"? How are they annoying? I'm not playing devil's advocate here, I seriously don't have a clue. You mean some sort of drunken crooning or something, like Einherjer?
5. Now wtf is "humdrum drumming"?
6. One "on" is enough. :P
7. "at" (I think)

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Galar - Skogskvad

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Another Victory for Viking Metal

A sound bite of rain and deep roaring thunder prefaces a somber acoustic guitar and bassoon (yep, <i>bassoon</i>) intro to the first song (this intro really could have been a separate track, but isn't).

Galar play fairly fast-paced black metal--the genre Norway is known for; so it should come as no surprise that the production on this debut is faultless. And since their aim is not mere black metal, the black metal vocals are appropriately blended into the mix, allowing the pagan vocals (which are never solo, but either in chorus or harmony (the latter of which was a pleasant surprise which I've not heard since Helangår!)) to take the limelight, and also allowing the interesting element of black metal vocals accompanying the clean vox at times. Their lead riffs are fairly generically black metal while the tempo is fast, but lean [1] toward epic in the slower moments, [2] though "Kronet til Konge" has that unmistakable Scandinavian folk sound, and, amusingly, "Slagmarkens Falne Sjeler" abruptly wraps up with a riff in the vein of Amon Amarth.

The interlude, "Skumring", [3] is a heartbreaking piano and bassoon solo. Piano also offers a notable atmosphere for brief moments in other tracks; [4] I only wish we'd heard the bassoon incorporated likewise [5], to achieve a similar atmosphere to Taunusheim's <i>Nebelkämpfe</i>. Nonetheless, [6] Galar are playing in two genres (folk and black) already saturated, yet have managed to set themselves apart with a signature, sound both grim and beautiful [7], that is sure to win over many people.

1. "leans" or "leaning". Obvious. Also "epic tempo" doesn't really qualify as proper terminology, I think.
2. This is turning into a run-on sentence, which isn't exactly working in its favour. Make it one sentence about the generic black metal riffing, one about the tempo, and one about the two songs you mentioned.
3. Now that I am certain is a comma splice.
4. Poorly constructed sentence, and it doesn't fit there at all. Put the bit about the piano (and write "A piano" instead of just "Piano") after the sentence about the riffing, so you first have general things about the album, then particular songs.
5. Since I just told you to put the piano sentence somewhere else you'll have to replace "likewise" with "more often", I guess. And write "this bassoon" instead of "the bassoon" for dramatic effect. :lol: (That last one is optional ;))
6. What an abrupt transition. First of all, start a new paragraph there, since you're talking about something entirely different (the quality of the album). Or rather, make this the new paragraph, don't start it with talking about "Skumring" which still belongs in the previous paragraph. Also, try to make the transition less abrupt. (No suggestions here, I'll leave that up to you because I can't think of anything)
7. Three ideas for how you could have meant it:
a. "have managed to set themselves apart with a signature sound both grim and beautiful, that is sure to win over many people."
b. "have managed to set themselves apart with a signature that sounds both grim and beautiful, that is sure to win over many people."
c. "have managed to set themselves apart with a signature, sound both grim and beautiful, and are therefore sure to win over many people."
(ignoring what I think is a comma splice again)
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I really don't mean to jump in the middle of things here, but honestly Erotetic, these guys are trying to help dude. You posted the reviews that got rejected, and you did that (I would assume) to get tips on how to fix those reviews. If you're not interested in taking any of these experienced users advice, then don't bother posting rejected reviews here. Just saying man.

So I recently had a review rejected myself. I'm fairly sure I know how to fix this, but I would like some of your ideas. Obviously my review was not descriptive enough about the music itself, but I'll leave that for you guys to tell me. This review is for a split release with Philly bands Trasher and Shitlist. Here it is:

"Both of these bands hail from Pennsylvania, around the Philly area. Apparently cheese steaks aren't the only reason to take a trip up to Philly, as it turns out there is a pretty gnarly Thrash/Punk scene up there as well. Now I'll be the first to admit I'm no huge fan of punk, and I like my thrash with a heaping side of evil blackness. I typically take my music more seriously than what is presented on this release; my general idea of thrash is bands like Sodom, Fastkill, and Hellish Crossfire (amongst many others). Even the blackened likes of Bestial Mockery, Nuclear Storm-era Destruktor, Weapon-era Atomizer, and Zwartketterij work just fine for me as far as thrash is concerned. With punk I basically limit myself to some D.R.I. and S.O.D. With that said, this self-released split is an exception to my standard listening habits.

The first five songs on this album belong to the Philly punk/hardcore band Shitlist. Nothing great is to be found here. These tracks are largely forgettable as they have no memorable riffing, no mosh inducing "break downs" and basically no absolutely-must-head bang sections or songs. I absolutely cannot stand the first track "Cans & Bottles", as its some lame fucking Irish drinking song cover. Maybe I'd enjoy it better if I were drunk; who knows. The other four songs are only decent at best, they really only make their plays through my cd player while I'm waiting on the Trasher songs to hit. Often I simply skip over these tracks. The only "good" songs from Shitlist on this split would be Bad Influence and Acid Trip, as I find them catchy for some reason. The song structures generally fall short of impressive, and the songs themselves are critically short in duration. I suppose my main gripe would be the lack of energy here, it simply does not do justice to the latter of the split. I do like the singers' vocals though as he has a really gritty almost blackened snarl/growl. The rest of the music is extremely simple, even if competently played. I give this side of the split a 50%. I’m sure I would like these guys much better live however.

Now on to the reason why I own the 3rd hand-numbered disc made out of a total of 50: Trasher. These dudes really know how to make you fucking lose your mind and just run in circles while thrashing and throwing people from out of your way. With only three songs on this split, Trasher really shows that they have a bright thrashing future ahead of their young careers. The first track, Scalped With a Butterknife, will have you banging your head and screaming along to Matt’s declaration that he will be scalping you with said butterknife. Now I will certainly admit that this band is not for everyone; quite simply if you do not LOVE old school punk influence thrash with a death metal tinge you will likely not enjoy this. This band is all about fun, and I can attest to the fact that these songs are fucking excellent live. Reanimation Proclamation is an extremely catchy tune with a mosh break down that will have you destroying lives in the pit. For the band members all being fairly young (between ages 18-21 I do believe), the musicianship here is definitely solid. All instruments are near-expertly played and put forth to wreck as much havoc as possible. Metal Matt’s vocals mainly run in a gritty, dirty, fucking pissed off snarl with some death growls thrown in, as well as some gang shouts and enraged yells. He even adds a nice early Tom Araya style scream at the end of Reanimation that brings a smile to my face every time! I highly recommend this band to any underground thrash hound who loves nothing more than getting bruised in the pit. The Trasher side gets a 90% from me. The only cons I can think of to this side of the split is simply the length; Trasher really needs to get some more songs out there. But fear not! A little birdie informed me a full length is on the way.

In summary: Shitlist - 50%, Trasher - 90%, total - 80%*.

*And yes that is lop-sided math; I REALLY fucking enjoy the thrashing attack that is Trasher, their three songs more than make up for the mediocrity of Shitlist's efforts."

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:10 pm 
 

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Woolie_Wool, it's a great review in my opinion, had me laughing several times. Here's a suggestion of how I'd think the formatting should be:

*snip*


I dunno, that makes the paragraphs awfully long. I want avoid "wall of text" syndrome in my reviews. Glad you liked it though.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:07 pm 
 

thanks EntilZha.

EntilZha wrote:
1. I don't think "to weave between" is English.

hmm, perhaps.
Like a car weaving between the traffic cones in a test course, the band in this album never remain on the Neofolk side of the road, nor on the Rock side, nor is the first half one and the second half another, rather, they alternate between this style and that from track to track. That phrase seemed to capture it at the time, and it didn't occur to me that it might be confusing.

EntilZha wrote:
3. I don't see how that is connected with the rest of the sentence that follows it.

if a band was from the US and their lyrics were in German, I would phrase it the same way: 'they're from the US, but [element that might not have been expected is present]'

EntilZha wrote:
4. Collection OF songs.

oops. thanks.

EntilZha wrote:
5. You said neofolk and fun folk rock in the first sentence, where does the ambient suddenly come from? And why do you say "genres" in plural, are different or particular subgenres of neofolk and ambient presented here?

some of the Neofolk numbers have an ambient mood to them, rather than being strictly neofolk.
I use the plural because 'Neofolk/Ambient' isn't a single genre, and you don't have to like both to find something you'll like on the album--you could like either of the genres and like some of the tracks and not others.

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6. Pretty sure you'd want to add an "and" here. And a quick mention that incessant melo-death is what Eluveitie are usually known for, because I'm fairly certain that's what you're implying, but I can't be sure because it seems so vague and random the way you put it.

given that it's their genre classification on the same website on which the review would have been featured, mentioning that seemed as redundant as saying they're from Switzerland was. But I suppose I could throw it in there.

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7. Now "essential" is a big word, and here you will definitely have to elaborate your opinion a little further. If you just said that it's "good" the content of the review is fine, but "essential" implies something greater and more unique than just "full of beautiful melodies".

beautiful melodies, and excellent instrument selection, and excellent production, and diversity, all of which I said.
This isn't some mediocre and bland Darkwood album, so anyone who listens to their genre absolutely should get this album.

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Betwixt and Between Trumpery and Triumph[1]

1. Huh?

translation: neither entirely successful not entirely worthless

betwixt and between black and white is 'grey'

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3. Shush! Don't capitalize that! Also, not everyone might have heard those particular songs by Finntroll and Catamenia, even fans of such music, and "neofolk" is a broad genre, so you're really saying very little.

OOPS! I made a point of decapitalizing all genre references before submitting, but guess I overlooked a few (just as I overlooked 'collection of', and your 6 and 7 :P).
If people haven't heard those songs, there is little more I can do. I've described them and compared them. If I don't know any others they're sufficiently similar to in tone and production I'm not going to give a comparison and a description will have to suffice.

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4. What do you mean by "trollish"? How are they annoying? I'm not playing devil's advocate here, I seriously don't have a clue. You mean some sort of drunken crooning or something, like Einherjer?

"In Eternal Rest" by Volkolak is my staple example.

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5. Now wtf is "humdrum drumming"?

monotonous.
any reader has access to dictionary.com


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Erotetic wrote:
if a band was from the US and their lyrics were in German, I would phrase it the same way: 'they're from the US, but [element that might not have been expected is present]'

Celtic melodies are unexpected from a band hailing from previously celtic-occupied territory?

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some of the Neofolk numbers have an ambient mood to them, rather than being strictly neofolk.

Then why not say that rather than just randomly throwing "ambient" in there for no apparent reason?

res and like some of the tracks and not others.

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given that it's their genre classification on the same website on which the review would have been featured, mentioning that seemed as redundant as saying they're from Switzerland was.

Nope, because the genre classification does not contain the negative connotation you implied.

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beautiful melodies, and excellent instrument selection, and excellent production, and diversity, all of which I said.
This isn't some mediocre and bland Darkwood album, so anyone who listens to their genre absolutely should get this album.

To each their own. Beautiful melodies are far from enough for an essential album for me. It's more of a minimum requirement for even considering purchase.
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Erotetic wrote:
If people haven't heard those songs, there is little more I can do. I've described them and compared them. If I don't know any others they're sufficiently similar to in tone and production I'm not going to give a comparison and a description will have to suffice.

You haven't described anything, all you did was giving a comparison to two songs, one of which is by a band that isn't even known for folkish sort of stuff but more of a run-of-the-mill meloblack band. Neofolk as I said can mean a variety of things, so being told that a song is somewhere between Sonne Hagal's faster, more upbeat songs and Fire + Ice's slow, brooding ballads is entirely useless. I don't see one word of description past the genre and the two comparisons. You say you want to tell people who are interested in that sort of music if they are going to like it or not, and the best you can come up with for a description of the song is a comparison to two tracks, one of which is from a wholly different genre, and throwing a broad genre out there? Sheesh.

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"In Eternal Rest" by Volkolak is my staple example.

Still doesn't tell me shit. I don't even know if what you are referring to are clean vocals, or growls, or screams, or whatever, I simply have no idea what you are saying, neither will anyone else who doesn't happen to think exactly like you.
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monotonous.
any reader has access to dictionary.com

Oh. I thought it meant something like "random", that's why I couldn't figure it out. Nevermind about that one, then.
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1. "leans" or "leaning". Obvious. Also "epic tempo" doesn't really qualify as proper terminology, I think.

The context here is the riffs.
the riffs are stereotypical of x during tempo a, but [the riffs] are closer to style y in tempo b.

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2. This is turning into a run-on sentence, which isn't exactly working in its favour. Make it one sentence about the generic black metal riffing, one about the tempo, and one about the two songs you mentioned.

perhaps it is, but I did it to group the commentary on the melodic content of the guitars. I think I could simply rearrange this to make it work.

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3. Now that I am certain is a comma splice.

Might be an error, but I don't think it's a splice.
I used it analogous to saying "The head butler, Smithers, walked into my room".
Perhaps if I clarified 'the <i>only</i> interlude', this would be more apparent.

Wiki notes: "The joining of two independent sentences with a comma and no conjunction, as in 'I came, I saw, I conquered', is known as a comma splice, and is often considered an error in English."
All of this looks as normal as Oxford style comma usage, to me (a pause is being indicated, so a comma is warranted).

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4. Poorly constructed sentence, and it doesn't fit there at all. Put the bit about the piano (and write "A piano" instead of just "Piano") after the sentence about the riffing, so you first have general things about the album, then particular songs.

If I was to speak of what is general about the songs, then about what is particular and different, repetition would be required. It makes more sense, to me, to say what is common and uncommon about each general feature of the album and cite the particular instances if they are not prevalent throughout.

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6. What an abrupt transition. First of all, start a new paragraph there, since you're talking about something entirely different (the quality of the album).

suppose I should.

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7. Three ideas for how you could have meant it:
a. "have managed to set themselves apart with a signature sound both grim and beautiful, that is sure to win over many people."
b. "have managed to set themselves apart with a signature that sounds both grim and beautiful, that is sure to win over many people."
c. "have managed to set themselves apart with a signature, sound both grim and beautiful, and are therefore sure to win over many people."
(ignoring what I think is a comma splice again)


a and b are synonymous--if these musicians had a signature which wasn't music (like, say, footlong-spikes they wear), I'd surely have indicated somehow that their signature could conceivably be found somewhere other than in the sound. :)

anyhow, the comma after signature was simply a typo. Guess I need to get someone else to proof my work more often!!

Not sure I agree with all your stylistic preferences, but I appreciate the input for consideration, and your grammatical eye.

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You haven't described anything

If you don't know what acoustic guitar or the neofolk genre sounds like, then it's like trying to describe color to a blind man.

I have to expect some level of understanding--I can't explain that the guitar is a six-stringed instrument, steel strings on an electric guitar, and how it sounds when it's plucked. I'll explain engineering choices that affect the sound in ways that might be important to the potential listener, but nothing rudamentary should be necessary.

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all you did was giving a comparison to two songs, one of which is by a band that isn't even known for folkish sort of stuff but more of a run-of-the-mill meloblack band.


a band people are much more likely to be familiar with than the one being reviewed. If not, they know that one song on the album is a non-metal acoustic solo...anything more is gravy, since it isn't what the album is all about.

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Neofolk as I said can mean a variety of things, so being told that a song is somewhere between Sonne Hagal's faster, more upbeat songs and Fire + Ice's slow, brooding ballads is entirely useless. I don't see one word of description past the genre and the two comparisons.

'instrumental' and exclusively 'acoustic guitar' narrow things down substancially.
You have to use your head and triangulate the qualities together. "Neofolk" is broad, but if you can rule out every vocal style and the wide range of instruments that are commonly used, you come to a fairly familiar sound, and it's a sound not worth knowing the specifics of unless that is the style of the album itself--the thing people might buy the album to hear.

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You say you want to tell people who are interested in that sort of music if they are going to like it or not

the album, not every song.
Metal-Archives would positively hate me for attempting to sell individual songs to individual groups of potential listeners.

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"In Eternal Rest" by Volkolak is my staple example.

Still doesn't tell me shit. I don't even know if what you are referring to are clean vocals, or growls, or screams, or whatever, I simply have no idea what you are saying, neither will anyone else who doesn't happen to think exactly like you.


well, check it out and tell me if you can describe it. (a drunk pirate trying to do Black Metal?)


p.s.

it's probably worth iterating what I said earlier to another member: I think context needs to be acknowledged, here. If you are my audience--someone who has come across some obscure band in this range of sub-genres, I think it can indeed be assumed that they have a significant background knowledge of the far more popular and well-known bands of those genres, and precisely their desire for more such music has finally forced them to look into these much more obscure bands, such that, what references might be obscure to you, may well be taken for granted to the hypothetical audience who is the actual target of the review.

If you show me any recent death metal review, chances are I won't know a single reference, no matter how long-established those bands referred to are. But it would be illegitimate for me to, in my contextual ignorance, take issue with the references.

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If you were to say 'this DM band has two guitars' you've said practically nothing. But if you say of a Folk band that they predominantly use bagpipes, or only subtly include bagpipes the way a MeloBlack band uses synth, or that they use this or that flute, you've already identified a great deal of the sound to be expected. Do this with the kind of melodies, tempos, and vocals, you've said enough to distinguish the band from the great majority of other bands of their listed genres who sound different, and associated them with those who are similar in compositional style, and thus told potential listeners whether or not it's worth their giving a listen to find out if the 'talent' is sufficient for their taste.

If the band's elements aren't desirable to someone's taste, that's something they can learn--DM vox, operatic female vox, bagpipes, etc. are present, if you don't like it, you won't look into it--but they can hardly learn that the band does actually suit their taste from a review (least of all from hearing about how someone else loves or hates it).

I think it would be good if Metal-Archives gave a differential consideration of reviews based on such contextual considerations as this, since people can be told a lot about a band in the Pagan/Folk/Viking genres without being told how awesome the reviewer thinks it is--so long as I tell you what is present (and by implication what isn't), as well as how well it is executed, the target audience can determine whether or not it sounds desirable to them.

It would be a real shame if a band was overlooked by people because they had no idea it combined the elements they love to hear, and all because another person didn't have a favorite song on the album, or want to rant about how annoying operatic vocals are, and how it was too happy for his taste.


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