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slowcrawl
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:42 am 
 

Drop low/high score from review percentage for albums receiving a certain minimum number of reviews (7, say).

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HouseSpiders
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:27 am 
 

Why?
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slowcrawl
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:14 pm 
 

Good question. It is to more accurately reflect a majority consensus by preventing instances where an extreme vote throws that average off.

For instance, notice the current review standing for !T.O.O.H.!'s album Order and Punishment. Five of the six votes are above 90%. One is extremely less at 20%. It is an anomaly. The drop method applied to this case changes the average review percentage from 84% to 93% - notice how this brought the percentage to lie within the majority consensus, where previously it did not. Now if more than one review reflects that extreme, it will be accounted for in the final average, as it will no longer be an anomaly.

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TadakatsuH0nda
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:02 pm 
 

I see your point, but then deleting the highest rated review say, you would remove one of those 5 majority votes, plus somebody loses their review which there was likely nothing wrong with.

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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:34 pm 
 

Won't happen. If you can't take the time to click the album and read all the reviews before judging an album, then you're lazy. Yes, if someone submits a 100% review for The Unspoken King, it would raise the score, but it won't change the fact that the album has 15 bad reviews.
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slowcrawl
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:20 pm 
 

TadakatsuH0nda wrote:
I see your point, but then deleting the highest rated review say, you would remove one of those 5 majority votes, plus somebody loses their review which there was likely nothing wrong with.


To be clear, the method is not to delete a review, it is to drop both the highest and lowest scores from the average percentage (given a minimum number of reviews). I'm not sure what point you are trying to make when you mention removing one of those 5 majority votes? Maybe this will address that: Dropping both the high and low votes is to level the playing field; and if one of those votes happens to lie in the majority, the new number still reflects better the majority than it had with both included (particularly more so with a higher N value).

Metantoine wrote:
Won't happen. If you can't take the time to click the album and read all the reviews before judging an album, then you're lazy. Yes, if someone submits a 100% review for The Unspoken King, it would raise the score, but it won't change the fact that the album has 15 bad reviews.


This has nothing to do with reading the reviews or not; though indeed, reading reviews reveals depths numbers can't touch. And while 15 extremely low reviews and one high review indeed reflects a majority opinion of atrocity, dropping that high and low number would even more reflect the majority, albeit in a small and trivial way.

Thank you all for your consideration.

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HouseSpiders
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:44 pm 
 

This is a very bad idea. The average percentage for an album is there to tell people what the average rating from reviewers is, and if this suggestion was to come to life that average would be incorrect. Just, why would anyone want that sort of inaccuracy? It'd just be silly.
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Wilytank
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:24 am 
 

slowcrawl wrote:
Good question. It is to more accurately reflect a majority consensus by preventing instances where an extreme vote throws that average off.

For instance, notice the current review standing for !T.O.O.H.!'s album Order and Punishment. Five of the six votes are above 90%. One is extremely less at 20%. It is an anomaly. The drop method applied to this case changes the average review percentage from 84% to 93% - notice how this brought the percentage to lie within the majority consensus, where previously it did not. Now if more than one review reflects that extreme, it will be accounted for in the final average, as it will no longer be an anomaly.


1. How would this be more useful to the casual prospective listener than simply reading the reviews?
2. Who fucking cares if the score doesn't reflect the "majority consensus"? Again, just read the reviews.
3. Since it doesn't reflect the average score of all the reviews, it would be less accurate data.
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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:59 am 
 

OP, I understand your reasoning re: statistical significance, but I don't think this applies to us. Not gonna happen, sorry.
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