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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 6:29 am 
 

Fulgurius wrote:
Deleted Maldoror from France, which was listed as Industrial Black Metal - not metal at all, just piano ambient music.

Witcher wrote:
http://www.myspace.com/nordncommander
Nord 'N' Commander - darkwave/electro, no trace of metal

Well, there are traces of metal on their album "Hermeneutics", which can be heard here:
http://www.nordncommander.com/rus/audio.htm
(it was released physically by More Hate Prod.)
though the guitar sounds suspiciously to me, sometimes it seems that it was programmed.

Yes, programmed guitar.

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EntilZha
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 9:13 am 
 

Holy fuck, I didn't know Nord 'n Commander were on the site, I could have reported them ages ago if I knew. I bet Intoxicata added or at least accepted them.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 9:16 am 
 

EntilZha wrote:
Holy fuck, I didn't know Nord 'n Commander were on the site, I could have reported them ages ago if I knew. I bet Intoxicata added or at least accepted them.

Yes, he added them.

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uglur
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 12:28 pm 
 

based on what was windrider accepted?
he releases only downloads!

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 1:00 pm 
 

uglur wrote:
based on what was windrider accepted?
he releases only downloads!

Wojty asked him and he answered, that he also releases CD-rs.

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uglur
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 6:20 pm 
 

this does not sound really metal to me:
http://www.mediafire.com/?evouzkoz1jt
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=25404

and this one:
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EntilZha
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 6:26 pm 
 

Weltuntergang is more ambient than metal.
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ksevile
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 4:41 pm 
 

Same for Perunwit, IMO.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540307162
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EntilZha
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 4:48 pm 
 

Apparently their 2006 album is metal, I dunno, I only know the older stuff.
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 7:53 pm 
 

Pest - Die Pest
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=123297
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=12067

Insignificant name change, should be merged to the latter.
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Ancelot
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 1:12 pm 
 

The band Fears of Disease has no discography.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=40245

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 1:38 pm 
 

Ancelot wrote:
The band Fears of Disease has no discography.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=40245

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Quintet which made a self financed 5-track-mCD in 1996 called "Fears Of Disease".
incl.: "Favorite God", "Have You seen the God", "Genetic Manipulations",...

^ yes, they have... it was simply not added so far, because no one knows the entire information on this release.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 12:56 pm 
 

Deleted Mace (Che) - hard rock, biker rock:
http://www.mace.ch/mainstuff/pages/media.html
P.M.S. - hardcore punk.

Seven Wishes- melodic hard rock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKYOxQT9YB0

Sabre (Hidden Visions) - hard rock

Aghast (Nor) - ambient, not a side project

KC Rose - hard rock

Make-UP - hard rock, something like Japanese Magnum or Joe Lynn Turner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vOeDOJr ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrz_Yu9m ... re=related

Mithrandir, not really NWOBHM, but a combination of progressive rock and seventies hard rock:

http://vibrationsofdoom.com/test/test2/Mithrandir.html

Masai - hard rock/aor:
http://vibrationsofdoom.com/test/test2/Masai.html

Bunker (Arg) - hard rock

Amazon - hard rock
http://vibrationsofdoom.com/test/test2/Amazon.html
Skitzofrenik - prog/hard rock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_KZnlFy ... re=related

Grail - metal/hardcore/hip-hop?
Away with it

http://www.myspace.com/grail?Mytoken=20050314173357

Crys - hard rock:
http://www.myspace.com/crysroc

Export - hard rock
Young Blood - hard rock
China Doll - hard rock
Clientelle - hard rock
The Headbangers - Status Quo worship
Dedringer - hard rock
Boulevard - hard rock
Static - hard rock
White Lightning - hard rock
Warrior (Dont Let It Show) - hard rock:
http://vibrationsofdoom.com/test/test2/Warrior2.html
Driveshaft - hard rock.
Predatür - boogie rock
Whisky - hard rock
Money - hard rock
Dick Smith Band - regular hard rock
Lotus Cruise - hard rock
Vagabond (Nor) - hard rock, not progressive metal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVIrSUpt ... re=related
Janine - hard rock
Cracked Mirror - not metal:
http://www.thecorroseum.com/rev/crackedmirror.htm
Splitcrow - rock:
http://www.glorydazemusic.com/articles. ... le_id=2452
Two-Bit Thief - hard rock, glam


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dust666
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 2:06 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540263663

I recognize similarities with the poppiest of gothic metal bands, but isn't it a bit of a stretch to have this band in the archives?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LapknbGS7Os
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVWfA8a84ks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF8x0v8RiLQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHQ-DtVk-i0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qn4bLm8ViU

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 5:27 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Aghast (Nor) - ambient, not a side project

Then what are the arguments for Hagalaz' Runedance?
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 8:05 pm 
 

I admit to being a bit curious as to what Chinese bands sound like, and came across a band called "Coprolagnia" who (after checking out their myspace page) are... best described as total noisecore mixed with a few gross-out sound samples. Now I suppose that kind of thing is sort of funny (if you're 12 and under, that is) and it would definitely pass off as some kind of grindcore or noisecore but I definitely wouldnt call it metal by any standard. Just thought I'd mention it- I dont know a lot about the Chinese scene but after checking out this band I dont think they belong on the site.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 1:32 am 
 

oneyoudontknow wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Aghast (Nor) - ambient, not a side project

Then what are the arguments for Hagalaz' Runedance?

It might be a selected exception, since the band was possibly accepted by Morrigan back then.


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EntilZha
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 2:13 am 
 

Oxenkiller wrote:
Just thought I'd mention it-

How about next time you think of mentioning a link?

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=54278
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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 7:05 am 
 

Demonstrom
Demonstorm (Idn)

These 2 bands from Indonesia are the same.

I guess the second is the one to be deleted (added by myself :ugh:) and the first must have a name correction. Also all info must be re-added to the first.
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Sleazer777
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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 8:50 am 
 

All Russian Demo stage bands from 198... - 1990 should be deleted.Reason - NO PHYSICAL COPIES.At that time bands for sure had recordings,but that's it.No Demos were produced because all metalheads just re-recorded these records and spread SELFMADETAPES amongst Heavy Metal circles.Just a few people due to isolation knew who the hell DEMO TAPE is.And most of them were in Baltic States at that time.

Bands list :

MONTE CRISTO
STAYER
DUBL-1
99%
KNOCK-OUT
METALLOBOL
KONSUL
Vidneyutsya Dyrki V Noskah
Knyaz Serebryany
KREMATOR
AZIMUT
VOJ
The Embowel
KAPELLA

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 12:07 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=78522
is this even a metal band? When you take a look at the additional notes you see the phrases acoustic, neoclassic, ambient etc. mentioned quite a lot.
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Sleazer777
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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 6:24 pm 
 

Icri's Witch - Not Metal band.Bluesy Hard Rock.

Review from MT :

Bandname, album title and the coverartwork provide a metallic content! But the fact is, that this release had only some metal influences on the tracks "In For The Kill" and "Looking For You", the rest is well done Sleaze-, Blues-, Jazz- and Hard Rock with a strong voice of Stacey Adler. For me it's a bit of too bright thrown style mix, but if you like it it's up to you... (Charly Kogler/ 2008)

Check out YouTube sample :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2QzauKodIU

Just Heavy Bluesy Hard Rock.Quality as well but HR.Oh and nice chick :)

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Goatfangs
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:11 am 
 

Sleazer777 wrote:
All Russian Demo stage bands from 198... - 1990 should be deleted.Reason - NO PHYSICAL COPIES.At that time bands for sure had recordings,but that's it.No Demos were produced because all metalheads just re-recorded these records and spread SELFMADETAPES amongst Heavy Metal circles.Just a few people due to isolation knew who the hell DEMO TAPE is.And most of them were in Baltic States at that time.

Bands list :

MONTE CRISTO
STAYER
DUBL-1
99%
KNOCK-OUT
METALLOBOL
KONSUL
Vidneyutsya Dyrki V Noskah
Knyaz Serebryany
KREMATOR
AZIMUT
VOJ
The Embowel
KAPELLA


Your source?

Voj for sure exists (but I am not familiar with the others), the demo sounds studio quality, some Celtic Frost influences and very likely the earliest funeral doom record. In 1991, they would not have released this as "download only" because there simply was no such thing back then.

To be fair their release Krugami Vechnosti is hardly known, but I have it (in MP3 form, but it was not always like this, there has to be a physical release out there and it must have come from the band at some point or another) but there are bands on the Metal Archives that don't have any existence on the internet save for here (their proof being from old published articles, these being long forgotten bands that would have remained forgotten)

So, what you are saying are that all of these bands did not release any physical demos, but somehow their music leaked and people copied it?

The same shit happens nowadays, a band releases something limited to 66 physical copies and someone uploads it to the internet, boom, there are now over 9000 copies of said release. Back then copying tapes was how people shared music.

Not to say ALL of these bands should be restored but I am also having a hard time believing that Krugami Vechnosti by Voj is nothing but a bootleg.

However I don't speak Russian either and I am too lazy to translate using google these pages: http://www.darkside.ru/album/10749/ http://assault-crew.net/cave/interviews/crunch/
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:30 am 
 

He knows it, because he actually has lived in the Soviet Union.

I could name you fopr example one Slovakian band, which has plenty of mp3s on their tribute site, but has not released anything while they were active.
As for Voj, he really calls the releases "demo" and "album" here, but he does not tell, how they were distributed:

Группа была образована мной в июле 88 года. Играли в стиле Black-Doom. Музыка и тексты писались мной. Их темы были зарыты глубоко в ад, сатанизм и т.д. В 89 году записали первое демо, 40 минут с названием “Дети Чумы”, а второй очень качественный альбом, который был записан на студии Векштейна, назывался “Кругами вечности”. Провели пять концертов, из которых три отыграли с Черным Обелиском! В конце 91-го ВОЙ закончил существование.
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 6:05 am 
 

The EP is for digital download only.
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540307430

Quote:
9.7 RICHTER just launched the digital version of their debut EP Epicenter.

You can listen to it by visiting the band's MySpace page or simply download it for free by clicking here.

The EPICENTER tracklist:

1. Assassins
2. Blood
3. Feed My Hate
4. Learning How To Die
5. Payback Time

http://www.97richter.com/en/index.html

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Drowned
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 7:44 am 
 

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =534189570

Quote:
Hi there

We're very glad to hear positive feedback from outside Romania.
The E.P. will be very soon free to download directly from our website http://www.97richter.com.

For distribution, phisicaly.. the CD package, contact us on mail contact [at] 97richter.com

Thank you


Edit: Nevermind, it looks like the band has been removed already.

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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 1:13 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
He knows it, because he actually has lived in the Soviet Union.

I could name you fopr example one Slovakian band, which has plenty of mp3s on their tribute site, but has not released anything while they were active.
As for Voj, he really calls the releases "demo" and "album" here, but he does not tell, how they were distributed:

Группа была образована мной в июле 88 года. Играли в стиле Black-Doom. Музыка и тексты писались мной. Их темы были зарыты глубоко в ад, сатанизм и т.д. В 89 году записали первое демо, 40 минут с названием “Дети Чумы”, а второй очень качественный альбом, который был записан на студии Векштейна, назывался “Кругами вечности”. Провели пять концертов, из которых три отыграли с Черным Обелиском! В конце 91-го ВОЙ закончил существование.
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"Кругами вечности" is described as a "quality album" recorded in a studio called "Векштейна" - certainly, an album that had dedicated recording time in a studio would be released, right?

Where is this Векштейна studio and can they be located to further enlighten the matter on Voj?
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 1:30 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
He knows it, because he actually has lived in the Soviet Union.

I could name you fopr example one Slovakian band, which has plenty of mp3s on their tribute site, but has not released anything while they were active.
As for Voj, he really calls the releases "demo" and "album" here, but he does not tell, how they were distributed:

Группа была образована мной в июле 88 года. Играли в стиле Black-Doom. Музыка и тексты писались мной. Их темы были зарыты глубоко в ад, сатанизм и т.д. В 89 году записали первое демо, 40 минут с названием “Дети Чумы”, а второй очень качественный альбом, который был записан на студии Векштейна, назывался “Кругами вечности”. Провели пять концертов, из которых три отыграли с Черным Обелиском! В конце 91-го ВОЙ закончил существование.
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Yes, but how did fans first obtained the material, so that it could be copied and traded? Did they steal the master tapes of a recording that was supposed to be kept private? Or did the band give out a handful of 1st generation cassette tape copies, counting on it to be spread by fan trade?

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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 1:31 pm 
 

Goatfangs wrote:
Witcher wrote:
He knows it, because he actually has lived in the Soviet Union.

I could name you fopr example one Slovakian band, which has plenty of mp3s on their tribute site, but has not released anything while they were active.
As for Voj, he really calls the releases "demo" and "album" here, but he does not tell, how they were distributed:

Группа была образована мной в июле 88 года. Играли в стиле Black-Doom. Музыка и тексты писались мной. Их темы были зарыты глубоко в ад, сатанизм и т.д. В 89 году записали первое демо, 40 минут с названием “Дети Чумы”, а второй очень качественный альбом, который был записан на студии Векштейна, назывался “Кругами вечности”. Провели пять концертов, из которых три отыграли с Черным Обелиском! В конце 91-го ВОЙ закончил существование.
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"Кругами вечности" is described as a "quality album" recorded in a studio called "Векштейна" - certainly, an album that had dedicated recording time in a studio would be released, right?

Where is this Векштейна studio and can they be located to further enlighten the matter on Voj?

Векштейна is not the name of the studio, it's the name of its owner and sound engineer - Victor Vekshtein, who was also known as the manager of Aria (Rus), it's him on the cover of this album:
http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=199269
As for Voj, "Кругами Вечности" had circulated on tapes, because I saw mentionings on various forums where the people said that they have it on tape, I don't know if the original version had valid cover art, but actually Voj doesn't belong to the Soviet era, but more to early 90's era when real demos started to appear, also there was bootleg CD version released somewhere in the 90's.


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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 1:42 pm 
 

MMisantropo wrote:
Witcher wrote:
He knows it, because he actually has lived in the Soviet Union.

I could name you fopr example one Slovakian band, which has plenty of mp3s on their tribute site, but has not released anything while they were active.
As for Voj, he really calls the releases "demo" and "album" here, but he does not tell, how they were distributed:

Группа была образована мной в июле 88 года. Играли в стиле Black-Doom. Музыка и тексты писались мной. Их темы были зарыты глубоко в ад, сатанизм и т.д. В 89 году записали первое демо, 40 минут с названием “Дети Чумы”, а второй очень качественный альбом, который был записан на студии Векштейна, назывался “Кругами вечности”. Провели пять концертов, из которых три отыграли с Черным Обелиском! В конце 91-го ВОЙ закончил существование.
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Yes, but how did fans first obtained the material, so that it could be copied and traded? Did they steal the master tapes of a recording that was supposed to be kept private? Or did the band give out a handful of 1st generation cassette tape copies, counting on it to be spread by fan trade?

Yes, in most cases they got it from the bands, but the tape trade in USSR at that time was a bit different from how we know it nowadays, the band gave one or few copies to some friends, they copied the tapes and gave them to someone else, those people copied the tapes as well etc, so in the end there were hundreds of physical copies, but most of them were made by the fans and not by the bands, and also most of those demos had no cover at all, so I don't know if it can be qualified as valid release. By the way, Witcher, have you checked all the bands from Sleazer777 post before deleting them? As far as I remember some of them had releases listed as full-length, not only demos...

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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 1:44 pm 
 

Fulgurius wrote:
MMisantropo wrote:
Witcher wrote:
He knows it, because he actually has lived in the Soviet Union.

I could name you fopr example one Slovakian band, which has plenty of mp3s on their tribute site, but has not released anything while they were active.
As for Voj, he really calls the releases "demo" and "album" here, but he does not tell, how they were distributed:

Группа была образована мной в июле 88 года. Играли в стиле Black-Doom. Музыка и тексты писались мной. Их темы были зарыты глубоко в ад, сатанизм и т.д. В 89 году записали первое демо, 40 минут с названием “Дети Чумы”, а второй очень качественный альбом, который был записан на студии Векштейна, назывался “Кругами вечности”. Провели пять концертов, из которых три отыграли с Черным Обелиском! В конце 91-го ВОЙ закончил существование.
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Yes, but how did fans first obtained the material, so that it could be copied and traded? Did they steal the master tapes of a recording that was supposed to be kept private? Or did the band give out a handful of 1st generation cassette tape copies, counting on it to be spread by fan trade?

Yes, in most cases they got it from the bands, but the tape trade in USSR at that time was a bit different from how we know it nowadays, the band gave one or few copies to some friends, they copied the tapes and gave them to someone else, those people copied the tapes as well etc, so in the end there were hundreds of physical copies, but most of them were made by the fans and not by the bands, and also most of those demos had no cover at all, so I don't know if it can be qualified as valid release. By the way, Witcher, have you checked all the bands from Sleazer777 post before deleting them? As far as I remember some of them had releases listed as full-length, not only demos...

Yes, but even the full-lengths had no cover and no distribution info, except mp3s on Russian metal forums.

Since there were only state-run labels in Russia (and in my country too), I think that such info should exist, if they really were official albums.

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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:49 pm 
 

I've merged the pages of Pictures Inside Me Painted in Torments and Pictures Inside Me - insignificant name change.
Witcher wrote:
Yes, but even the full-lengths had no cover and no distribution info, except mp3s on Russian metal forums.

Since there were only state-run labels in Russia (and in my country too), I think that such info should exist, if they really were official albums.

Then probably this band should be deleted too:
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=86558
Even if the demo was reviewed in a foreign zine, I don't think that it was different from the demos of those bands that were deleted.
At the same time, we can't be sure that all the bands from other countries that were accepted based on old zines reviews had proper demos with cover-art etc.

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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 5:55 pm 
 

Fulgurius wrote:
Yes, in most cases they got it from the bands, but the tape trade in USSR at that time was a bit different from how we know it nowadays, the band gave one or few copies to some friends, they copied the tapes and gave them to someone else, those people copied the tapes as well etc, so in the end there were hundreds of physical copies, but most of them were made by the fans and not by the bands, and also most of those demos had no cover at all, so I don't know if it can be qualified as valid release.


That's not fundamentally different from my idea of tape trading.

If 1) the bands intended on making those recordings available to the public, and 2) it was eventually distributed in physical form with their implicit consent, it meets our requirements IMO.

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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 6:04 pm 
 

No really. It was basically a pirating of rehearsal recordings, but the bands did not do anything about it, because:
a) the laws were different
b) thez had no chance to release it officially, so they did not protest,. when the music was spread among fans.


Most Cyech bands had demos with covers though, the exception is the band 666, whose demo was private, was never spread and only selected friends among musicians could listen to it.

It was released for the first time on a Tör compilation boxset, so I do not know, if a separate listing for 666 makes sense.

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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 6:43 pm 
 

MMisantropo wrote:
Yes, but how did fans first obtained the material, so that it could be copied and traded? Did they steal the master tapes of a recording that was supposed to be kept private? Or did the band give out a handful of 1st generation cassette tape copies, counting on it to be spread by fan trade?


Not sure about the other bands but I highly doubt Voj tried to keep their music private. If they really wanted to do so, they would have just never recorded anything, keep it inside their minds and just sit on the toilet daydreaming about it. What is the fucking point of recording anything if that's what you might as well be doing anyway?

Voj released Кругами Вечности in 1991, the year the Soviet Union collapsed. I doubt they would release anything on a state run label, and if they released anything on any label or self-released themselves, it would not have been subjected to whatever laws existed back then during the USSR era, at least for long.

MMisantropo wrote:
2) it was eventually distributed in physical form with their implicit consent, it meets our requirements IMO.


Witcher wrote:
No really. It was basically a pirating of rehearsal recordings, but the bands did not do anything about it, because:
a) the laws were different
b) thez had no chance to release it officially, so they did not protest,. when the music was spread among fans.


Кругами Вечности by Voj was not a rehearsal recording. It was for all intents and purposes a studio full length album recorded in Vekshtein's studio (from the info I have gathered) and released by themselves in the metal underground at the stroke of midnight for the Soviet Union and certainly in the days after it collapsed as well. Limited resources would limit the number of tapes an individual band could produce, they surely could not put out a thousand copies. Even a hundred would have been difficult but more reasonable, that's likely the number of official straight-from-the-band copies of Кругами Вечности out there. If any of them aren't ruined by now, that is, since tapes don't necessarily last forever and can get broken or scratched, even if just left in a closet for 18 years. So, basically, it just does not make sense that the band would try to discourage copying of their releases if they honestly wanted people to hear their music, and going by the trouble Voj went to to get a studio-quality release in 1991 their intent is already clear that they wanted people to hear this music that was at the time innovative and among the slowest doom metal ever released, likely predating even Thergothon.

The ONLY way I can see these bands not having any official physical copies of their releases is if they recorded something, never copied the master and someone broke into their house and stole the damn thing and copied that and spread it around instead. It's sort of ridiculous.

As MMisantropo pointed out, the band had to have made some copies of their recording and gave it to people. They would likely have delegated the copying of tapes to these people and certainly these were not professional tape copiers either so cover art from each copier would vary if it even existed. Other than quality of final product it is not much different from a record company delegating an outside professional company to press 1000 CDs.
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 7:22 pm 
 

Massive discusion here,but let me clear situation a bit.I just wanted to say that for example there were no such a thing like Undergruound scene in USSR until 1990.Bands existed and recorded songs but due to isolation they even do not knew what the hell fanzine,Add flyer or Demo tape is.Thats the true.The first fanzines as far as I know started to apear in Estonia,Lituania and Russia back in 1990/91(Big Death Metal exposion) and just latter when bands started to understand underground rules and specifics they started to release Demos with xeroxed covers in small quantities.More or Less first Demos in USSR / ex USSR teritory started to apear back in 1991/92.Before as I and Witcher mentioned people just copied tapes each from another because that was the only way to spread music.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 2:16 am 
 

Deletd Ivan Mihajlevič - Satriani/Vai style.
Cryer - aor
Dawn Trader - sound like The Slade:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjD8Io2g ... _embedded#!

Founded - hard rock

Blue Blud - hard rock/aor

http://www.myspace.com/bluebludofficial

Niagara - their debut has one or two metal songs, but the rest of their songs is pure hard rock/aor.
Sangre Azul - hard rock

Deleted Painface - mostly nu-metal:
http://www.myspace.com/painface0
Metal Skull - weird Japanese hardcore, seems to be influenced by Discharge and G.B.H. somehow.


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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 5:48 am 
 

Drowned wrote:
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=430660102&blogId=534189570

Quote:
Hi there

We're very glad to hear positive feedback from outside Romania.
The E.P. will be very soon free to download directly from our website http://www.97richter.com.

For distribution, phisicaly.. the CD package, contact us on mail contact [at] 97richter.com

Thank you


Edit: Nevermind, it looks like the band has been removed already.

I've deleted 9.7 Richter again, look here:
http://metal-archives.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=66817
physical copies do not exist yet.

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PiotrB
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 3:18 am 
 

Elikat from Palma, Majorca, Balearic Islands, Spain.
(Submitted by nachometal on January 16th, 2006.)

Flagged as not metal :

"Labelled as "Neoclassical hard rock" and AOR here:
http://perso.wanadoo.es/rocknacional/grupos/elikat.htm
http://www.aor-fm.com/bands/1229_elikat.aspx

You can download their first EP here:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VQEPJ86A

some videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6mVHDm9vaM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXRUb1R0 ... re=related "

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dust666
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 7:57 am 
 

From what I know hammer records only has distribution in Hungary:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=46923

This should be removed, since the music is pure ambient.
http://www.myspace.com/kreatonproject

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