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BlackFlag
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:33 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
MMisantropo wrote:
Piotr_Bojka wrote:
Dama Feudal
Submitted by MMisantropo on May 29th, 2004.

"I think this band should be erased. It's true that they feature some heavy metal songs on their only album (songs like "Sangri-La" and "Sueños de Rock"; or the melodic HM/hard rock numbers "Sin ti" and "No puedo vivir") but the other songs on the album (5 tracks off 10, without the intro) are melodic hard rock.

Download:
http://rapidshare.com/files/92936772/da ... l.rar.html "


I stand by their inclusion. The so-called melodic hard rock tracks aren't less metal than Twisted Sister's or WASP's hit songs.

Yes, they should be included.


I understand. But in my opinion they wil be labelled as melodic heavy metal/hard rock instead of the former Melodic Heavy/Power metal tag.

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Wargnattallfihrr
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:18 pm 
 

Just to make sure I don't make a mistake:
Does the fact of a fixed release-date of a first release from a band not included in the archives count as proof for a physical release? Probably not with Mexican Labels I guess, but the object of consideration would be "Our Diabolical Embrace" (Black/gothic Metal), a second band by Skog, owner of http://www.hypnoticdirgerecords.com and only member of Ancient Tundra. He is a really dependable guy.

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Drowned
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:23 pm 
 

Of course not.

Rule #4 wrote:
Do not submit new bands that have no releases even if there's a confirmed upcoming album.

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Wargnattallfihrr
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:25 pm 
 

Drowned wrote:
Of course not.

Rule #4 wrote:
Do not submit new bands that have no releases even if there's a confirmed upcoming album.


You're right.

And - dammit, I chose the wrong thread.

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Razor_Shark
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:47 pm 
 

I will never understand why they are on here, even their page says they are Groove Metal/Deathcore(early) Alternative/Metalcore(Late), and bands that are much more metal than them get rejected.

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ksevile
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:28 pm 
 

See the additional notes section on their page.

Quote:
Only accepted into the Metal Archives because their early releases are heavily Death/Groove influenced.
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hellthrasher666
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:29 pm 
 

Please delete Celtic Wintermoon -> http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=46310
and Wolfsnacht http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=49024

they are fake, they never released anything and they never rehearsed. Its all fake.

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PiotrB
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:22 am 
 

Amaurosis
Submitted by amaurosis on March 4th, 2007.

"The demo listed was actually released under the name "Nigress". There does not appear to be any releases made yet under the name "Amaurosis" from looking at the band's myspace and doing a quick google search. The band should be removed from the archives for now."

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Zorg85
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:11 am 
 

Mucus (Pol)

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540312514

and Mucas

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=79135

= same band ...

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PiotrB
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:36 am 
 

Done with all corrections.

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Drowned
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:19 pm 
 

I've removed the band Y Draig Goch - only 5 copies were made of their demo and all of them were distributed to the band members.

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PiotrB
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:36 pm 
 

Einsamkeit (Bra)
Submitted by Hezrom on March 9th, 2007.

Nothing released.

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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:15 am 
 

Deleted Dunkelherzlich - neoclassical/ambient, not black metal at all.

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PiotrB
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:19 pm 
 

Funeralopolis (Switzerland (Lenzburg/Zürich))
Submitted by CollectorOfSkulls on October 18th, 2009.

"sup,

just thaught I mention that the "second" tape never got finnished or even recorded, same for the first tape; both of them are only digital, there are no tapes, no cd-r's whatsoever!

cheers,

void (ex-funeralopolis)"

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KingRavenous
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 8:59 am 
 

Piotr_Bojka wrote:
Funeralopolis (Switzerland (Lenzburg/Zürich))
Submitted by CollectorOfSkulls on October 18th, 2009.

"sup,

just thaught I mention that the "second" tape never got finnished or even recorded, same for the first tape; both of them are only digital, there are no tapes, no cd-r's whatsoever!

cheers,

void (ex-funeralopolis)"


To clarify that. The second tape, our demo "...of Death", is finished and will be released at Dark Descent Records in the near future.
The CD version of our demo is already aviable. If you don't belive us get in contact with DDR.

ogmetal wrote:
The bands Funeralopolis (www.myspace.com/funeralopolisdeath) and Bone Sickness (www.myspace.com/bonesickness) will see proper tape releases via Dark Descent Records/Skeleton Plague Records very soon. Both bands are very promising and intend to crush heads with their demo tapes. More to follow.


In cause of any reason our ex-singer Void aka CollectorOfSkulls is probaly being jealous and behaves childish.

We're sorry for the troubles!

Cheerz & Greetings
Thuri / Funeralopolis

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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:23 pm 
 

Maniac Revenge : http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540313345

I have also reported the band, but this band has no releases yet. That blog about the demo says that it's coming out soon and that people should look for the date of release soon!

It does not say that it is out, these guys are friends of mine and they are currently waiting for the tapes to be produced.

It probably won't be for another month or two.
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todesengel_hell
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:39 pm 
 

Apator

This band's listing amazes me. I have searched and searched on google and can find no mention of this band actually being black metal. I have read that they were one of the first in the Netherlands to use "black metal imagery" but that does not qualify a band as "Raw Black Metal". One of the only two instances I could find anything relating to the style of the band can be found here. It states:

"The project is one person (Robert van Arnhem) , literally and figuratively, and I can only call it spoken word, or performance music, because the few demos I've heard are noises and vocals, "hate vocals" if you will, which is basically grunted chanting and/or jerking off moaning."

and

"If you're looking for metal, it is nowhere to be found, yet it pervades every aspect of this project."

This sounds to me like the project is mostly harsh vocals and chanting with possibly a raw, noisy background. The only other mention I can find of his actual sound is Encyclopedia of Dutch Black Metal. Make no mistake. Just because this site claims to be a "black metal encyclopedia", does not mean that all the bands featured play black metal. All the releases listed under Apator (and all of its aliases) are described as having the genre "vocal hate". The project seems to have only been given the title "black metal" because of its image.

Has anyone ever actually heard this band or know where to find samples?
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Dr_Keloid
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:37 pm 
 

todesengel_hell wrote:
Has anyone ever actually heard this band or know where to find samples?

http://cosmichearse.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... devil.html
http://funeralstench.blogspot.com/2010/ ... ruipt.html
No apparent sonic basis in heavy metal whatsoever. Even Abruptum started off using power chords over drum beats. Should be removed.

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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:32 am 
 

Thanks to whoever removed Maniac Revenge.

Cheers!
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Nyaricus
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:17 am 
 

Accepted in 2004, incorrect spelling and not much info
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=31832

Accepted in 2008, seemingly has correct spelling and a touch more info:
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540260498
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The_Black_Priest
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:36 am 
 

The Synics Awakening should not have been accepted.
there album has not been released yet..
I contacted the band yesterday..
See the images here:
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/8329/86859321.jpg

I don't know why a mod accepted it? :p

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:37 am 
 

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrEJ7OrUu ... re=related
Deleted Odal Sieg - rac/punk hardcore, not "pagan metal"

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todesengel_hell
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:40 am 
 

necrobutcher08 wrote:
The Synics Awakening should not have been accepted.
there album has not been released yet..
I contacted the band yesterday..
See the images here:
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/8329/86859321.jpg

I don't know why a mod accepted it? :p


I submitted them because it appears that their album has been for sale on Divine Metal Distro since July. All the posters on both Synics Awakening's myspace and on their label's myspace corroborate this.

Edit: Is it possible that Divine Metal Distro already got their copies? I don't see anything about a pre-order on the product page on their website.
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The_Black_Priest
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:56 am 
 

todesengel_hell wrote:
necrobutcher08 wrote:
The Synics Awakening should not have been accepted.
there album has not been released yet..
I contacted the band yesterday..
See the images here:
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/8329/86859321.jpg

I don't know why a mod accepted it? :p


I submitted them because it appears that their album has been for sale on Divine Metal Distro since July. All the posters on both Synics Awakening's myspace and on their label's myspace corroborate this.

Edit: Is it possible that Divine Metal Distro already got their copies? I don't see anything about a pre-order on the product page on their website.


You see the band's page and Sullen Records Distro page.
It's written there clearly it's still for pre-order and the band said to me yesterday that even they haven't got the CD yet..
Check the images
Man for this reason my entry for this band was rejected but in your case it's accepted.If norms are to be followed strictly then it should not have been accepted.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:17 pm 
 

Wipe Away- apparently no physical releases - deleted.

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todesengel_hell
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:34 pm 
 

Those posters are outdated and say that the album will come out July 2010. I submitted the band at the end of August 2010. The band said that Divine Metal Distro should probably be getting their shipment of CDs sometime towards the end of this week in that message to you. How do you know that the CD shipment didn't arrive a little earlier than the band expected? It seems odd that DMD would list the album without saying its a pre-order if they don't already have the CDs. Considering that Sullen Records shipped the album to DMD and not the band themselves, this doesn't seem that far-fetched to me, but I guess only a mod's opinion really counts in this matter.
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Drowned
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:45 pm 
 

Google cache of the CD ordering page at DMD from August 21st, stating that the album is still on pre-order.

Current page with no more pre-order message and a drop in price.

The band stays.

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slayerbbk
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:21 pm 
 

Hi.

I followed the rules and everything but my band has been rejected because there isn't a physical release of any of the demos.

Ok.

However I discovered that this band Csorna (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540275617) DOES NOT have any physical releases. Both of the demos are only available via download, the same for my band Conrad.

I think its simply unfair for this to happen. Why was Csorna accepted and not Conrad?
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:02 am 
 

http://www.myspace.com/deadchildmusic
Dead Child - sound more like Queens of The Stone Age than a metal band.

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The_Black_Priest
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:36 pm 
 

I was wondering which band was deleted yesterday from the list of bands submitted by me and why?:???:

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slayerbbk
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:28 am 
 

slayerbbk wrote:
Hi.

I followed the rules and everything but my band has been rejected because there isn't a physical release of any of the demos.

Ok.

However I discovered that this band Csorna (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540275617) DOES NOT have any physical releases. Both of the demos are only available via download, the same for my band Conrad.

I think its simply unfair for this to happen. Why was Csorna accepted and not Conrad?


Sweet. I just LOVE how you guys simply remove Csorna and still don't give me an explanation as to why they were Accepted in the first place.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:40 am 
 

slayerbbk wrote:
slayerbbk wrote:
Hi.

I followed the rules and everything but my band has been rejected because there isn't a physical release of any of the demos.

Ok.

However I discovered that this band Csorna (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540275617) DOES NOT have any physical releases. Both of the demos are only available via download, the same for my band Conrad.

I think its simply unfair for this to happen. Why was Csorna accepted and not Conrad?


Sweet. I just LOVE how you guys simply remove Csorna and still don't give me an explanation as to why they were Accepted in the first place.

You do not need any. This is not the purpose of this thread. It was obviously a mistake.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:41 am 
 

slayerbbk wrote:
slayerbbk wrote:
Hi.

I followed the rules and everything but my band has been rejected because there isn't a physical release of any of the demos.

Ok.

However I discovered that this band Csorna (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540275617) DOES NOT have any physical releases. Both of the demos are only available via download, the same for my band Conrad.

I think its simply unfair for this to happen. Why was Csorna accepted and not Conrad?


Sweet. I just LOVE how you guys simply remove Csorna and still don't give me an explanation as to why they were Accepted in the first place.

You do not need any. This is not the purpose of this thread. It was obviously a mistake.

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GVOLTT
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:42 am 
 

slayerbbk wrote:
slayerbbk wrote:
Hi.

I followed the rules and everything but my band has been rejected because there isn't a physical release of any of the demos.

Ok.

However I discovered that this band Csorna (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540275617) DOES NOT have any physical releases. Both of the demos are only available via download, the same for my band Conrad.

I think its simply unfair for this to happen. Why was Csorna accepted and not Conrad?


Sweet. I just LOVE how you guys simply remove Csorna and still don't give me an explanation as to why they were Accepted in the first place.

It was an accident if the releases turned out to be download-only yet the band was accepted. Mods make mistakes sometimes too (even me); you can't expect them to be perfect.

Basically, your band Conrad will not be accepted unless you have a physical release available to the public, and proof can be provided. The same goes for Csorna as well.
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nekrust
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:24 pm 
 

Hi, I tried to submit the Brazilian one-man band M-16 yesterday
(have a listen here: http://www.myspace.com/m16metalpunkhorror ) but it was rejected with the motivation "Sorry nekrust, Encyclopaedia Metallum was forced to reject your submission for the band M-16 (Bra) (Brazil), for the following reason:

The riffs are closer to punk than metal, sorry."

so far I'm fine with everything. The line has to be drawn somewhere and obviously someone thought that M-16 wasn't "Metal Enough". But if they're not Metal Enough, too much on the punkier side (I've got the same rejection/motivation for the bands SNMS http://www.myspace.com/molndalsan and PARASITE http://www.myspace.com/parasitehardcore (who describe themselves as 70% metal and 30% punk, but again, nevermind, the line has to...)

The issue here is: if M-16, SNMS, PARASITE etc. are not excepted due to being too punkish then what the hell is

DISCHARGE doing here? more metal than punk? come on!
TORTYR (Swe)? Punk...
AMEBIX? Crust (who put THRASH METAL as style, just to get them in?)

if Metal Punk bands are such borderline cases, then why are

BLÜDWÜLF here?
CHILDREN OF TECHNOLOGY?
G.A.T.E.S.

and why are not:

DRILLER KILLER?
UNCURBED?

etc.

What I'm searching for is of course consistency. Is Metal Punk in or out? I know it's a tricky path, but it should be highlighted for the sole purpose of benefiting MA.

And when we're on styles - what's up with the extremely inconsitent exceptance of Ambient/Electronic bands. Since Ambient projects seemed to be OK at the moment (there's quite a few on here now) then why were all my submissions (of ambient bands that house the realm of Black Metal circles and the likes) rejected with the motivation "Not Metal, does not belong."?

I'm a-ok with that, this is METAL-archives. But again - where's the consistency? Ok if a band has ambient parts, but purely ambient projects?

Example: what is the reasonable explanation for NEPTUNE TOWERS being on here; there can't possibly be any besides the fact that it's FENRIZ of DARKTHRONE who ran the project. There's not a single ounce of metal in NT's material... (he himself describing it as "Deep Space Alien Astral Avantgarde Synth" kind of says it all.)

Without going into it much further, what's the condition for an ambient band to be admitted? And why are they admitted at all?

And in conection to that, why is so much FOLK/PAGAN stuff being admitted? Again this seems to be based solely on metalhead's inclinaton to the subject/style that admits it onto here - often there isn't any trace of metal in it besides that it's run by musicians/artists that otherwise play metal music or that it's just popular bands among "metal people."

WARDRUNA is an archetypical example of this.

Having Kvitrafn and Gaahl in the band surely connects them to metal by association, but there's not a drop of metal in there.
Ask the bandmembers themsleves and they'll confirm it. It is (in its purest form) music totally void of metal influence since it's a recomposition of music existant long before there was metal.

There's a world of difference in being Pagan/Folk etc. in lyrical/imagebased theme and so on, and another in playing Pagan/Folk music. Bands like Ensiferum/Amon Amarth/Korpiklaani etc. (as you notice I'm not familiar with the style...) may have a Pagan/Folk touch, and/or themes/twists on their music, but it's still based in metal music.

To somewhat sum up here - It seems to be a lot of bands here on MA because they're simply "Metal-by-association."

Previously mentioned punk band TORTYR are also a great example (being made up of the exact same line-up as the death metal band TORMENTED (Swe)).

Thoughts?

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:43 pm 
 

You're in the wrong thread, nekrust:
http://metal-archives.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=64985

In brief, though, bands are accepted based upon their own individual metalness, not on whether they are more metal or less metal than other bands, or share a similar image or non-musical connection. Such comparisons are meaningless. With the exception of side projects, each band you noted was accepted or rejected solely on whether the music of the band was predominantly metal. There are many bands that are borderline; their submission into MA is framed by whether metal is the predominant musical style of at least one of their albums. If you must end up resorting to saying a band has "metal influences", and should be accepted, then it likely isn't predominantly metal.

Defining "metalness" can have its own problems, as it is a subjective term. For MA's purposes as an encyclopedia, metal is defined broadly in terms given in its guidelines. How MA defines what is "metal enough" wont be agreeable to everyone - it can't be, since everyone has their own idea as to what constitute metalness. Under the guidelines of MA, those bands you consider metal enough, despite being ambient, punk or folk , are not presently metal enough for acceptance into MA. It is consistency, just not with your conception of metal.

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nekrust
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:12 pm 
 

To Derigin:

Well, No, I'm not entirely in the wrong forum since I'm basically questioning the acceptance of bands such as NEPTUNE TOWERS, WARDRUNA, TORTYR, DISCHARGE etc. more than I'm wondering why X was rejected (if you read the post I'm fine with the bands being rejected)

And furthermore on the subject of all bands being accepted on their own merits (i.e. metalness) - I would like ONE person, if there is one, to motivate why bands like NEPTUNE TOWERS and WARDRUNA are on here. I am surely aware of the difference of taste and perception; but whom to the question "Name one great Metal act" (nevermind style/genre of metal) would answer WARDRUNA? (They are great, but they're nowhere near metal).

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:19 pm 
 

Neptune Towers - side-project rule
Wardruna - side-project rule
Tortyr - metal enough
Discharge - metal

Refer to the last paragraph of my last post to understand why this is so. The side project rule is explained in the guidelines.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:34 am 
 

I have deletedc Tortyr - they are side-project, but on a smalll underground label and their music is hardcore punk. like they write on their official page.

Deleted Scumm O)))) - drone ambient, not really metal.

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Dr_Keloid
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:31 am 
 

nekrust wrote:
what the hell is DISCHARGE doing here? more metal than punk? come on!

They have made metal albums, e.g. Grave New World.

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