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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 10:49 am 
 

Rob1 wrote:
If the guidelines say that a band might be accepted based on 1 predominantly Metal release, isn't it true that the point in time when that release comes is irrelevant?
Soulfly got accepted for their latest effort and Meshuggah was accepted for their early efforts.
In that case: should it matter that a band has 18 non metal releases when their latest effort is fully metal? Isn't that the thing that counts?
In that case: there are some bands that are blacklisted now that could be added because of this.

Well, that isn't quite what Mutant is addressing. Nobody is really saying one predominantly metal release isn't enough. Not a full-length, at least. This has always been site policy. But when it comes down to demos and EPs, things get trickier and one band might get approved based on a borderline metal EP, then release nothing but non-metal albums. If it were reversed, it could very well be rejected. C'est la vie.

You know where to post if there are currently any blacklisted bands that haven't been addressed before you feel should be included.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 12:51 pm 
 

It is worth noting that it's a lot less common to accept a band that starts off playing non-metal music and then produces an unambiguously metal album, than it is to accept a band that initially started off playing metal and then gradually moved towards playing non-metal. It generally takes time for bands to change their style of music on their albums to being dominantly one to the other; this usually means it can take multiple albums before that happens.

Once a band produces an unambiguously metal album, we accept it. From that point, if they move towards non-metal it is usually gradual. The next album has less metal, and the album after that is even less, and so on. But none of those albums matter to us - we accepted the band based on the first. Applying that logic in reverse, a band that starts off non-metal and moves towards creating unambiguous metal albums tends to do so gradually. The first album is mostly non-metal, but with some metallic elements. The album after that may be more balanced. The third may be unambiguously heavy metal and finally acceptable. Granted, music normally isn't as strict to this process as I make it sound, but you can kinda see what the thought process behind this issue may be. It's partly for this reason, to the extreme, that if an artist like Lady Gaga or Britney Spears decided to produce a metal album, it's unlikely that their first attempt would have enough metallic elements (riffs) to outweigh the pop influence they've come to rely upon. If that trend continued, and their music got more and more rooted in heavy metal, then at that point it may be unambiguous. More often than not, however, most artists within bands tend to go back to playing what they're comfortable playing.

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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 7:53 pm 
 

It seems to me as an outsider that the logic is kind of very roughly how "in the world of metal" a band is: if a band starts as metal on their demos and early EPs or whatever then they're kind of coming from the "metal sphere" and thus were certainly "relevant" to the metal world at that point in time and simply drifted from it, whereas if an established non-metal band released an album which sounded metal just out of the blue then that's not quite the same, unless it appeared they were trying to make proper steps into the metal world (otherwise it could just be an artistic statement on the genre as a change of pace but not really changing their approach as a band or something, or a satire of metal or whatever). Of course as has been said each release should be judged on its individual merits still.

But as I say I'm just making an observation from what it looks like from the outside to maybe give a different perspective on the matter if that's how it is, and not intending to speak for anyone or change anything (and I realise that yeah this thread does have a purpose outside of this discussion... :roll: ).

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 6:53 am 
 

Deleted:

Aiwaiss - pure ambient
The Nightmare - no proof of a valid release
Filophobia - no proof of a valid release/distribution dubious
Theophagus - likely fake
Blasphemyth - likely fake
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:23 am 
 

Deleted:

Guillotine (South Korean thrash) - no proof of release
SkogsTroll - only demo was private/promo-only
Psycho Choke - nu-metal/hardcore
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:47 pm 
 

You guys might wanna look into Cold Body Radiation:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Col ... 3540310613

The Great White Emptiness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4cZmaS ... B8B97A8C53
Deer Twillight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-bNFYNaQgk
A Clear Path: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUmMXgLMnSY

I don't hear any metal there, some harsh vocals on the first 2 albums and a couple of faster parts here and there.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:31 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Scare_Me/11343

should be deleted

industrial rock electro

according to the way back machine
http://web.archive.org/web/200502080725 ... are-me.de/

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:39 am 
 

capt_chaos wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Scare_Me/11343

should be deleted

industrial rock electro

according to the way back machine
http://web.archive.org/web/200502080725 ... are-me.de/


This review says otherwise: http://vampster.com/artikel/show/?id=9459

Also, only "The Idea of Evil" is actually a release from this band. The others are under different band names.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:43 am 
 

Indeed. Cleaned up.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:14 pm 
 

thx!

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:27 am 
 

Deleted Goatcoven. Most likely a joke/fake band with no releases at this point, until proven otherwise. Was submitted and updated by the guy behind it, who also wrote two reviews for the only supposed demo (or at least one, the other one was obviously by someone in on the joke too).
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:15 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Shining/84700
it's already as :
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Shining_of.../35370

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:47 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Deleted Goatcoven. Most likely a joke/fake band with no releases at this point, until proven otherwise. Was submitted and updated by the guy behind it, who also wrote two reviews for the only supposed demo (or at least one, the other one was obviously by someone in on the joke too).


Thank you. Yeah, clearly made up. What actually got my attention originally was the 'cause of death' for one of the past members: malnourishment.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:58 am 
 

Deleted Rosen Kreuz/Rosenkreuz from Japan. Gothic rock-y industrial/experimental that got confused with a release-less thrash band with the same name. Note that there's yet another band from Japan sharing that name, playing symphonic power metal.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:57 pm 
 

Deleted Casitation. All their material is plagiarized from the Swedish black metal band The Black (their album "The Priest of Satan"), only the song titles were changed.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:20 pm 
 

Since this band's stuff finally started popping up again:

Hrefnesholt (Uruk-Hai side-project)

I highly doubt any of the releases are actually metal.

Open the spoiler for an overview of every single release by this band that I could find. Heidensturm is the closest it gets, if you don't want to look at all of what I wrote:
Spoiler: show
Here is a breakdown of all Hrefnesholt releases in the following format (since I'm lazy):

Title
Url
Description

I will provide links upon request, but if I omit a link, it is purely ambient. I don't want to make a semi-complete discography available for download :P
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Hrefnesvinter
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hr ... nter/85363
Fully ambient, I have a rip

Wolf
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hr ... olf/188255
No mp3s, but track by track review confirms not metal http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2009/06/wolf.html
See also Wolfnacht as it is a re-release of the longest track on this one

Heidensturm
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hr ... urm/238915
snip
I am going to guess this is the closest to metal this project is going to get, but it still lacks riffs.
Track by track overview:
1st track has drums and black metal vocals with a bit of buzz. 2nd track is basically the same but the guitar buzz takes place of the ambient, "closer" to metal, but lacking riffs. That rip is of the re-release so it lacks the Burzum cover (it was re-released under Uruk-hai, snip), but the re-releases has a track "Nordlandsschlacht" which is closer to metal, but it is still lacking in real riffs. I'm not sure what to call it other than an amateur attempt at black metal. Even if the final track was metal, the rest of the release (the first track is 32 minutes in length) outweigh it.

Rabentanz
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hr ... anz/178363
Fully ambient, I have a rip. Has a track from Heidensturm (Zwei Raben) but even if it was metal it wouldn't outweigh the rest of this release

Wolfsnacht
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hr ... cht/183518
Re-release of a track from Wolf.
Review here confirming ambient:
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... nacht.html
Listed as ambient on label that released it:
http://www.smellthestench.net/deleted.html

The First Evil Spell...
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hr ... .../264583
Both tracks appear on other releases. Ravnagund on United by Heathen Blood and Nordlandsschlacht on the re-release of Heidensturm which rips are available for both

United by Heathen Blood
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hr ... ood/175281
Fully ambient, I have a rip.

Flüsterwald
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hr ... ald/251703
Two reviews:
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... rwald.html
http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/H ... ld/251703/
Both describe it as ambient, but mention distorted guitars. I assume it's in the way Uruk-Hai used guitars based on their description (guitar buzz in place of synths to create ambience)
First track is on United by Heathen Blood and is completely ambient.

Furchtelmandl
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hr ... ndl/252984
Review describing it as ambient:
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... mandl.html
I assume this is the same as "Fuchtelmandln" on Uraungst which we have a rip for and it's completely ambient
Only 6 copies made also

Uraungst
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hr ... gst/290840
snip, it is almost completely ambient. "I bin da Woid" and "Hexnfeia" have the guitar ambient that I described a few times (see here for an example of this). This release has a track with actual riffs! Just one, though: "Dunklmoos."

Wurzlmann
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hr ... ann/305625
Contains three versions of the "Wurzlmann" track (well the first track might be an intro). I assume there won't be too much variation and adding black metal parts to track 1 and 3, but the 2nd track is on Uraungst. See the rip as it is completely ambient.
Review (kinda worthless, but says the third track is just more psychedelic):
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... lmann.html

Hrefnesholt / Firinghuman
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hr ... man/263178
Contains two tracks also on Uraungst. See that rip, completely ambient

Quenta Silmarillion Part 1 / Furchtelmandln
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hr ... dln/261550
Contains "Furchtelmandln" also on Uraungst. see that rip, completely ambient

Woid und Geist
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hr ... ist/265189
Have a rip, completely ambient. Both tracks also on Uraungst, so you can see that rip for these.

Uraungst (Advance-Tape)
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hr ... %29/269948
4/6 tracks also found on the regular Uraungst. 1 is actually the metal track. The two unknown tracks are the starting tracks and beginning tracks of side B (Side A is completely Furchtelmandln), so I'm assuming they are intro/outros.

Kreuz
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hr ... euz/312531
Review here:
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... kreuz.html
I'm not 100% sure because the review is kind of lacking, but based on the description in the review it would probably be closer to ambient. Track 3 was re-released on the split Schworzeichn II and the review for that split describes it as ambient.

A Haund voi Dreck
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hr ... eck/329247
Review describes it as ambient:
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... dreck.html
Basically a combination of Kreuz and Wurzlmann with a few extra tracks thrown in

Trostlos
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hr ... los/357097
A boxed set including several releases. Several we have rips for and are completely ambient. Only 1 track, "Dunklmoos" can be verified as metal.

Schworzeichn II
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hr ... _II/333267
Contains a re-release of "Schworzeichn" from Kreuz under a new name.
Reviews:
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... hn-ii.html
http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/H ... II/333267/
Described as ambient mostly and the Honour and Darkness review compares it to Allerseelen.



Releases not listed on MA:

Dunkelmoos / Quenta Silmarillion Pt.2
http://www.discogs.com/Hrefnesholt-Uruk ... se/2638926
Track 1 is ambient available on Uraungst which we have a rip for.
Track 2 is metal, the only metal track I found in the entire discography (aside from the track on the VA comp Oak Folk)
Track 3 is ambient available on the Rabentanz rip
Track 5 is on A Haund voi Dreck which a review claims is ambient
Track 4 and 6 seem unique to this release
Review lacks much description on track 4, but claims 6 is folk:
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... lmoos.html

From the Ancient Forest
http://www.metalkingdom.net/album/40193 ... ent_forest
4/5 tracks are on Uraungst. 3/4 are ambient (Dunklmoos is on here). Track 5 is described as folk in the review in the release above this one! So 4/5 are not metal.
This isn't listed on Omen (Malaysia) and it should be. Here is a better picture so someone can add it:
https://a2-images.myspacecdn.com/images ... 7/full.jpg


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:40 am 
 

I know that there has been a lot of talk of Witcher and his questionable deletions in the past year or so, with a number of them coming back to the site after being re-evaluated. It's not a complete record, but would it not be beneficial to look over his early postings in this thread (and even the previous thread) and recheck his work?
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Since I have no life, I went through Hrossharsgrani (another Uruk-Hai side-project) looking for a conclusive metal release. Surprise, surprise, there isn't one. I wonder how this guy's bands got on here in the first place?

The closest it gets is Schattenkrieger. Some songs are actually metal, but there are more non-metal tracks on it and if the times are added up, it is only about 50% of the album.

Same as before, if I don't provide a link to a rip it is glaringly non-metal but I'll provide it if asked.

Here is an overview of all the albums:

Spoiler: show
When I mention it's on spotify, here is the artist page thingy:
Spotify link: https://play.spotify.com/artist/7r9l21OoBOmPemhaSXxfVK


Blut
All tracks compiled into 3 on the Sanguis release and I have a rip of Sanguis, not metal at all.

Feuer & Eis
No idea, from review could be either way, 10 copies so might not be enough to save it:
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... r-eis.html
Also released in 1999, not 1998
Wintertod is on both Pro Liberate Dimicandum Est's releases, not metal
Nosferat is on Sanguis, which is described as industrial
Bußfertigkeit is on Der Pfad Zum Tor Der Toten
Asgard is on Das Ende des Pfades

Kampf
Have a kinda crappy rip, but only 2 songs come close to metal. "The Path Between Sea and Sky" and "Untergang" sound kind of metallic but I'm pretty sure no guitars are there. Hard to tell since rip is crappy, but it sounds like bm vocals + drumming over keyboards

Lieder aus Mittelerde
I have mp3's of Geschichten aus Mittelerde (Intro) and Gollum's Ratsel non-metal
One review highlights it as non-metal
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... lerde.html
Another says it is ambient with a little pagan metal (google translated could be wrong, it's in german):
http://mobi.metal-district.de/md_cdsug: ... lerde.html


Sagen & Gedichte
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... ichte.html
Has guitar but "often producing a warbling counter-melody effect to augment a track" which sounds like typical non-metal stuff for this guy's projects

Uruk Hai
Re-released under Uruk-Hai as "In Durin's Halls"
Review describes it as ambient
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... k-hai.html

Demo 1
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... mo-99.html
Review only mentions synth stuff

Krieg
First 2 tracks on Sagen & Gedichte. 2nd track (Mit dem Schwerte) might have been re-released under Uruk-hai on this thing:
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Ur ... ten/217391
Third track is actually metal and on schattenkrieger.
Review says fourth track is piano:
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... krieg.html
Safe to assume 3/4 are not metal here

Rehearsal CD 1
Only 4 or 5 copies made so not really enough to keep the band here, I'd think
Track 1 is on Ea
Track 2 is on From the Dark Ages (have a rip, not metal)
Track 3 is on Nachricht aus Mittelerde, (have a rip, not metal)
Track 4 is on In the Mystic Forest (have a rip, not metal)
Review says it is all keyboards, also:
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... l-cd1.html

Ea
Bullshit shouldn't be here, 1 copy. Not metal
See previous release's review
This has no real musical description, but says re-released under Uruk-Hai, so even more indicator this release isn't metal:
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2010/01/ea.html


Der Pfad zum Tor der Toten
Review hints at non-metal
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... toten.html
First three tracks here:
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hr ... oten/20077
None are metal, distorted guitars playing ambient, no riffs


From the Dark Ages
Have a rip
Tracks 2 (kinda), 6 (about 30 seconds out of 4 minutes), 7 (about 30 seconds out of 4 minutes), and 8 could be considered metal. Track 12 and 15 kinda close but no real riffs. 4/16 could be considered metal, overall not a metal release

Ewig Winter
Have a rip - see first track here http://kadaath.bandcamp.com/album/the-a ... th-box-set
Track 1 is really long and has metal characteristics. I don't think they are real riffs since it is the same note played over and over (like ambient music) under drums. Even if it was metal, the other half is not metal.

Der Ring der Macht
Not metal based on this review:
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... g-der.html

In the Mystic Forest
Have a rip, only last track close to metal. Closer to ambient played with distorted guitars on last track with lots of ambient interludes within song itself.


Die Rückkehr zum Pfade
Review seems to describe it as non-metal:
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... pfade.html


Ancient Tales
No idea but review only mentions synths and acoustic guitars:
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... tales.html
30 second samples, some metal moments in 4/14 songs but overly ambient:
http://mp3eagle.com/ancient_tales_cd1_album324676/
30 second samples of the bonus tracks
http://mp3eagle.com/ancient_tales_cd2_album324677/

...of Battles, Ravens and Fire
Have a rip + it's on spotify, only 2/6 are metal (tracks 4 kinda and 6), so not a metal release

The Secret Fire
Have a rip + it's on spotify,
Only 3/8 tracks have metal in them (Tracks 3, 5 (near the end has guitars kinda..ish metal), and 7 (kinda.. not really))

Mittwinter / Hrossharsgrani
Just the ...of Battles, Ravens and Fire on a split, not metal

Demo Compilation Volume 1
Track 1 from Blut, included in Sanguis release have a rip which is entirely not metal
Track 2, no idea
Track 3, no idea
Track 4, no idea
Track 5, have a rip from Nachricht aus Mittelerde, mostly ambient, distorted ambient with drums for about 1 minute of its 6:47, not metal
Track 6, release this is from (Der Ring der Macht) is described as non-metal in review
Track 7, on Ea maybe, review of this album mentions "battle metal"
Track 8, see Ancient Tales, unlikely to be metal
Track 9, no idea, exclusive to this compilation
Track 10, not metal, have rip, see Mystic Forest
Track 11, no idea, exclusive to this compilation
Review:
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... vol-1.html
More confirmed non-metal tracks than metal ones + this was limited to 10 copies

Schattenkrieger
Have a rip + it's on spotify
This guy actually put out something listenable?.. Whaa?...
Track 2, 4, 6, 8 (holy hell this one is a stomper), 11, 12, 17 are metal
7/17 so not metal. Timewise, it's around 50/50 and we don't really accept that. However, please see spotify.

Rehearsal 1999
Some of the tracks are on Der Pfad zum Tor der Toten and Die Rückkehr zum Pfade which reviews say non-metal. 30 second samples don't show any metal:
http://www.mp3fiesta.com/rehearsal_1999_album375983/
There is a rip out there, but all links dead so this is all we have unless we want to pay for ripped mp3s...


The First Evil Spell...
Review says "simple repetitive rhythm of much of "Wotansschlacht"" Safe to assume not metal
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... ll-va.html

Sanguis
Have rip, no metal to be found here at all

Pro Liberate Dimicandum Est
No metal at all: http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Pro+Lib ... st/6493858

S.P.Q.R
Digital release, not valid + not metal:
https://archive.org/details/ab-067S.p.q ... iSplit2009


Pro Liberate Dimicandum Est Pt II
Both tracks on on Pro Liberate Dimicandum Est, not metal
http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Pro+Lib ... st/6493858

Kampf (Part 2 - Dead Meat)
Full song on myspace: https://myspace.com/hrossharsgrani/musi ... 7-37199067
30 second samples: http://mp3eagle.com/deadmeat_album345330/
Probably a full rip out there somewhere, only could find dead links


The Songs Never Remains the Same
Both tracks covers, Track 3 Venom cover, Track 4 Beherit cover, someone needs to tag the songs properly

...of Batlles, Ravens & Fire / Differences
Typo in name, only track here is on the 2010 version of ...of Battles, Ravens and Fire, will explain there

The Long Grey Road / Valkyrian Romance
Track 3 is on Ewig Winter which I have a rip, not metal
The other two tracks are on The Long Grey Road, see there for the rest

...of Battles, Ravens and Fire / Brotherhood
See the next ...of Battles, Ravens and Fire

...of Battles, Ravens and Fire
Track 1 is the entire original of Battles.. that was re-released in 2005 with bonus tracks
(see here), since that release isn't metal, this isn't either
Track 2 is on Depressive Illusions Records Promo Sampler #1, have a rip, it is metal
Track 3 is on Ewig Winter, not metal

Dead:Meat
Same tracks as Kampf (Part 2 - Dead Meat), so see there

The Long Grey Road
Review describes both tracks as non-metal (piano/synths):
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... -road.html

Das Ende des Pfades
Since this is a compilation, I'll describe each track (if no rip, I'll say)
Disc 1
1. Distorted guitar ambient on Ewig Winter (also here: http://kadaath.bandcamp.com/album/the-a ... x-set)
2. 30 second sample is non-metal
3. Almost metal, might be acceptable on From the Dark Ages
4. No rip, no idea
5. See here: http://kadaath.bandcamp.com/album/the-a ... th-box-set Not metal
6. No rip, bonus track to Der Pfad zum Tor der Toten
7. No rip, probably exclusive to this compilation, Blut has Blut I & II, probably a continuation so likely non-metal (title: Blut (Part 3))

Disc 2
1. On Die Rückkehr zum Pfade, review describes release as non-metal
2. On Rehearsal 1999, samples show non-metal
3. On Der Pfad zum Tor der Toten, so no conclusive idea
4. See: http://kadaath.bandcamp.com/album/the-a ... th-box-set not metal
5. On Der Pfad zum Tor der Toten, so no conclusive idea
6. Early song from Feuer & Eis, review hints at non-metal
7. No rip, bonus track to Der Pfad zum Tor der Toten
8. Same as track 7 on disc 1, maybe a continuation of Blut I, II, and 3

The Ancient Path
Tracklist here: http://www.pbk-cm.ru/REL/17.htm
Box set of mostly non-metal releases
Boxed set so, here is rundown
1. Have rips so not metal
2. Have all tracks here: http://kadaath.bandcamp.com/album/the-a ... th-box-set not metal
3. No idea
4. Reviews say not metal
5. Reviews say not metal
6. Samples show not a majority of metal
7. Samples show no metal at all (http://mp3eagle.com/ancient_tales_cd2_album324677/)
8. Not a completely metal album
9. Reviews say not metal
10. Reviews say not metal

Lieder von Feuer, Eis, Winter & Krieg
No reviews online, long songs from this guy usually mean non-metal. However, the tracks here are actually cds and tapes. Therefore, tape 3, 4, and 5 may have been previously released as Krieg and Feurer & Eis which reviews point to being non-metal

Runen : Klang
Discs 4, 5, and 6 are non-metal so already half the box set is non-metal
Unable to locate information on the first 3


Releases not on MA:

Winter Battles
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.com/2 ... ttles.html
All but tape 2 have rips and are not metal and tape to is described as non-metal in a review.


Also, Ravenclaw might be worthy of deletion, as well.

Spoiler: show
Where Mighty Ravens Fly
Can't find samples but review says mostly piano with guitars very rarely:
http://www.terrorverlag.com/rezensionen ... avens-fly/
This is exactly like the split

Baxas Xebesheth 1883 / Zalgirio Music
snip
Only Lietuvial Nepasiduoda and Perhale have metal in them and Pergale only has about 1 minute of it. Only 2/6 tracks are metal.



Really hoping Elisabetha has an early metal release. Hitting it tomorrow..
#ValidateUrukHaiSideProjectsWeeek


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MetalCuresHeadaches wrote:
I know that there has been a lot of talk of Witcher and his questionable deletions in the past year or so, with a number of them coming back to the site after being re-evaluated. It's not a complete record, but would it not be beneficial to look over his early postings in this thread (and even the previous thread) and recheck his work?


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Well, MetalCuresHeadaches, knock yourself out, nobody's stopping you from inquiring about potential findings in the other thread. We (the staff) are however not going to start a huge Witcher reevaluation campaign just because he made some questionable deletions in the past. Many, if not most of his decisions were still valid. It's like going through the blacklist once a month and reevaluating each entry; sure, some whitelisting-worthy stuff would be discovered, but as a whole there are much better things to do.
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Once again it seems that this band has been added when their only album is not released:

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/The ... 3540383124

Where is their album really distributed? Neither the label's physical nor digital distribution seem to have started yet.

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Deleted, thanks.
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Stormspell should be opening up their distribution of that one later today from what I understand - but everything that label does seems to get delayed so who knows. I'll believe it when I can buy it. It was supposed to come out on the 23rd but got pushed back a week.
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Halloween, I'll look into those Hugin projects.
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@Hugin stuff: Nice work there, I'm going to download the stuff you claim is somewhat metal, but from reading your descriptions alone it doesn't look good. I've informed Alhadis about this, he's going to save the pages for his ToN project (and then nuke them, most likely). EDIT: Yiap, going to get nukified.

Worthless_Dream wrote:
You guys might wanna look into Cold Body Radiation:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Col ... 3540310613

The Great White Emptiness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4cZmaS ... B8B97A8C53
Deer Twillight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-bNFYNaQgk
A Clear Path: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUmMXgLMnSY

I don't hear any metal there, some harsh vocals on the first 2 albums and a couple of faster parts here and there.

Bit late, but we'll reevaluate that one.
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Maybe this one can be removed as well:
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Ra ... cht/258648
http://honouranddarkness.blogspot.de/20 ... nacht.html
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Maybe. I've been meaning to ask uglur about that one.
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I was wondering about that one. The review makes it not seem metal, but the only other mention online I saw was an old Chanteloup distro list I can't find anymore, but saved:

Raben Nacht (Austria): demo I (Raw Pagan Metal. LTD to 66 copies. Full coloured glossy cover)

so I just left it be until maybe one day rips appear, haha.

I'll check out Elisabetha soon if you guys haven't already. I had meant to but I didn't have the time like I thought I would.

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uglur says the songs on Raben Nacht's demo are similar to the metal track(s) on Hrossharsgrani's "Krieg" demo. He hasn't listened to it in while, though.

Also, according to him, "Und Wirklichkeit erfüllt die Seele wieder" is a mostly metal release by Elisabetha.
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snip

Hopefully enough to save it


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Halloween wrote:
http://narod.yandex.ru/disk/41360127001/Elisabetha%20-%20Und%20Wirklichkeit%20Erfullt%20Die%20Seele%20Wieder%20%282004%29.rar.html

Hopefully enough to save it

5 black(ish) metal tracks (one is pretty doomy too) with a sort of cello synth sound or something. 5 neoclassical/dark ambient ones, though these seem mostly like interludes/intros for the considerably longer metal tracks. Yeah, this is okay.

But what about their current genre? If this full-length is (mostly) metal, that would imply that all the releases before it are mostly black metal too. If it's more intermingled than that, it would be better to remove the (early) (later) tags. A matter for the other thread, though.
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Halloween wrote:
Since I have no life, I went through Hrossharsgrani (another Uruk-Hai side-project) looking for a conclusive metal release. Surprise, surprise, there isn't one. I wonder how this guy's bands got on here in the first place?

The closest it gets is Schattenkrieger. Some songs are actually metal, but there are more non-metal tracks on it and if the times are added up, it is only about 50% of the album.

...

Also, Ravenclaw might be worthy of deletion, as well.


Hrossharsgrani, Ravenclaw, and Hrefnesholt have all been annihilated. :)
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Azmorigin approves. :headbang:
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http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dismal/17302
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TheGrimWombat wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dismal/17302

Gone.
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Alhadis wrote:
Halloween wrote:
Since I have no life, I went through Hrossharsgrani (another Uruk-Hai side-project) looking for a conclusive metal release. Surprise, surprise, there isn't one. I wonder how this guy's bands got on here in the first place?

The closest it gets is Schattenkrieger. Some songs are actually metal, but there are more non-metal tracks on it and if the times are added up, it is only about 50% of the album.

...

Also, Ravenclaw might be worthy of deletion, as well.


Hrossharsgrani, Ravenclaw, and Hrefnesholt have all been annihilated. :)

Wow ... I wonder how many release have been removed from the databse by the constant deletion of his projects over the time.
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Why "The Drop of Water That Can Wear Through a Stone" was removed from Metal Archives?

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^ I think you meant to ask here, btw. :P
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