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nachometal
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:59 pm 
 

in may 2010 (in the 2nd page)
Special Forces (US) was removed from metal archives
somebody said that they made Hard Rock
i think they play tradition heavy metal like Picture (Holland) for example or Riot (USA)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HNfqAmSXwI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OqXcpl7254

can I add them?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:24 pm 
 

Wrong thread, post here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=64985
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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:55 pm 
 

As much as it hurts me to say it, I think Wold might need to be removed. They're listed as "black metal/noise" but they mostly play harsh noise/power electronics with occasional synthy sounds. There are no guitars or discernible riffs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smf_iBBMLN4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YV_yGuUJ5M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtsJ9LG0zfg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPR0GQoe5cs

Note that when they were added, the band had only released their two demos, which I haven't heard - but if they sound anything like the album material, the band probably need to be deleted.
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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:14 am 
 

MutantClannfear wrote:
As much as it hurts me to say it, I think Wold might need to be removed. They're listed as "black metal/noise" but they mostly play harsh noise/power electronics with occasional synthy sounds. There are no guitars or discernible riffs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smf_iBBMLN4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YV_yGuUJ5M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtsJ9LG0zfg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPR0GQoe5cs

Note that when they were added, the band had only released their two demos, which I haven't heard - but if they sound anything like the album material, the band probably need to be deleted.

Don't want to relisten the whole discography, but "Badb" demo pretty much fits the "raw black metal/noise" description. It's very chaotic and noisy, but still there are guitar riffs at the background. From what I remember, later they've became more noise with some small remnants of black metal here and there.

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Sade_Gras
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:51 pm 
 

Helvede wrote:

Hello,

Thine should be evaluated again since the Demo "journeys" is a hell of epic metal release, check here the tracks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIZrwpMW350, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JVq8IgifUw . a town like this album is a more rock prog influence but we can listen to some metal in it, as for in therapy is not must of a metal album i agree. but just for that amazing demo they made, they deserve to be in metal-archives. in my opinion of course ehehe.

cheers and sorry for the crappy english

Sounds metal to me. But the band was called Blood of Thine at the time of demo, or something? If that's the case I'm for adding the demo version of the band again, but leaving out the Thine years (well, of course with a note in the add. notes).



Hello Helvede,

Both demos where made under the monikor Thine, i got the jorneys demo and there is a discogs enter for the demo as well http://www.discogs.com/Thine-Journeys/release/4883725

hope this help.

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TheMirroringShadow
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:20 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band/view/id/31455

You can't find this bands music anywhere. Can't play their music on either the Myspace or Purevolume links, and I found no samples of their music either on YouTube or on some page through Google. In other words, you can't even listen to this bands stuff anywhere. So how are we sure they are metal, and even a real band to begin with?

Should be looked into. I originally went there to check their metalness. But their music isn't even available anywhere!

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TheMirroringShadow
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:59 am 
 

I'm just curious. Where do you draw the line for modern metal, specifically the industrial metal style? There a few bands that are kind of treading the border of what is acceptable according to MA policy and traditional metal standards. Obviously the modern scene and production values have some what diluted the general "sound" of metal over time. At least if you look at modern melodic death/groove/post-thrash/industrial metal bands who are quite common these days. A lot of them have hardcore influences and some use fruity synths on top of saccharine choruses filled with melodic singing. You know the style... For example, Sybreed/Dagoba/Black Comedy/Red Harvest made it into this site while The Interbeing, Mnemic, Breach The Void did not. Now I don't mean to disagree at all with your decisions. In fact I remember some time after Sybreed released "The Pulse Of Awakening" it immediately signaled red flags for a few mods. As indeed, Sybreed have a lot of non-metal moments on that record, compare "Electronegative", "A.E.O.N." and "My Name Is Ultraviolence" with the new style of songs they incorporated on that record like the dance-like "Doomsday Party", slow ballad "In The Cold Light" and even a Killing Joke cover... These are a bit too farfetched to be called metal tracks. Which is why I feel Sybreed kinda stopped being metal as a whole on that album. If we backtrack to "Slave Design" which is the album that got them on the site. It's a lot darker, colder and has this melodic death metal sound to it at times. Especially in the songwriting and in the vocal performance... They do incorporate a few extreme elements which Mnemic and The Interbeing never did. Like the symphonic black metal styled riffs and atmosphere on "Dynamic" from Antares, and the death metallic parts on "Twelve Megatons Gravity".

Anyway this turned into kind of a rant. I'm just curious, since a lot of those bands have or are touring together a lot. How do you decide what type of industrial/groove/modern melo-deth styled bands are metal enough and who aren't? I'm mostly asking you mods so I can determine what to submit and what to avoid submitting in the future.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:42 am 
 

TheMirroringShadow wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band/view/id/31455

You can't find this bands music anywhere. Can't play their music on either the Myspace or Purevolume links, and I found no samples of their music either on YouTube or on some page through Google. In other words, you can't even listen to this bands stuff anywhere. So how are we sure they are metal, and even a real band to begin with?

Should be looked into. I originally went there to check their metalness. But their music isn't even available anywhere!

It stands to reason that samples were provided when the band was originally submitted. Sure, perhaps it's not metal, there's always that possibility, but the fact that it passed the reviewing process already means something. We won't/can't just delete bands because their stuff isn't available (online) anymore. This would be a bit like saying "well, I can't find evidence that this random dude over there didn't murder someone, so he should be looked into".
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Halloween
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:14 am 
 

http://allthesame.stereokiller.com/


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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:04 am 
 

Ugh... well, this doesn't sound like metal. In the absence of actual samples my point is still valid in general, though.
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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:37 pm 
 

Deleted "The Colour Pink is Gay" - a sampler platter of hardcore, deathcore, metalcore, and a bit of death metal - predominantly some sorta hardcore.

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BlackenedZeroth
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:00 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/report/vi ... 0/show/all

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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:12 am 
 

BlackenedZeroth wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/467990/show/all

Deleted.

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Exigence
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:36 pm 
 

Pizza Corpse?

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Piz ... 3540378567

Seriously, what the fuck? A band exists from 2013-2014. One demo. Obvious microsoft paint logo. And this gets by?

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:33 pm 
 

Hmmmm, this is a funny case. We'll look into it.
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Cursarion
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:59 pm 
 

Napero wrote:
Deleted Iiwanajulma from Finland. Mostly alt rock, with occasional pseudo-metallic moments.


Also, Ahnenerbe deleted due to lack of original material.
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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:40 pm 
 

Exigence wrote:
Pizza Corpse?

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Piz ... 3540378567

Seriously, what the fuck? A band exists from 2013-2014. One demo. Obvious microsoft paint logo. And this gets by?
Deleted. No valid releases.
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Charlo
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:26 pm 
 

OpsiusCato wrote:
Exigence wrote:
Pizza Corpse?

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Piz ... 3540378567

Seriously, what the fuck? A band exists from 2013-2014. One demo. Obvious microsoft paint logo. And this gets by?
Deleted. No valid releases.


I'm the one who submitted that band. The release was for sale for $2.00, which I think is enough of a physical release, even if it was just some hand-burned CD-R's written on with Sharpie. Here's the relevant Facebook post: https://www.facebook.com/PizzaCorpse/po ... eam_ref=10 . It's not just one copy given to a friend; it was intended for distribution, although the amount of people who actually wanted it is probably very low.

I don't disagree with Exigence's general sentiment, though. Crappy band, crappy logo, obvious joke, but there's no rule against not-serious or "joke" projects. I won't argue too much if it remains deleted, just stating my reasons for submitting it in the first place.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:13 am 
 

It's just really pushing it. We are not happy with these sharpie-CD-R releases and if we're gonna accept bands solely based on them, we'll need some damn good proof for distribution in sufficient quantities. In that respect there is indeed a guideline to enforce a certain standard of "seriousness", that being the ability of a band to put out a reasonably professional release. Pizza Corpse started in April 2013, posted that photo of CD-Rs in December and ended in January this year, so who knows how many of these supremely makeshift things were produced in the end (and more importantly, how many the band managed to actively distribute). Could be less than 20, less than 10 (OC asked them how many there are and they just said "infinity"). I suppose one could argue for the band's inclusion if one were especially inclined so, but it's just all around too crappy and I think the Archives "benefit" more from ex- than from including them.
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Tueur
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:56 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cre ... 3540378951 should be nuked

same band as http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Creepshow/45131

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:14 pm 
 

Deleted.
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SF01
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:19 pm 
 

Finisterra:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Finisterra/50948

I have listened to their two albums and they are pure folk band with little to none metal incorporated.

Also why hard rock bands such as:
Lordi http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Lordi/2976
and
Volbeat http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Volbeat/33323
are here?
Which of their albums are "metal enough" to be here?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:13 pm 
 

SF01 wrote:
Finisterra:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Finisterra/50948

I have listened to their two albums and they are pure folk band with little to none metal incorporated.

Got sufficient samples? Their website is dead, it seems.

SF01 wrote:
Also why hard rock bands such as:
Lordi http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Lordi/2976
and
Volbeat http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Volbeat/33323
are here?
Which of their albums are "metal enough" to be here?

Heh, Lordi. Haven't heard them in a looong while. I couldn't tell you which album got them in, if there is even a specific one (EDIT: alright, gotta be "Get Heavy" since they were approved in 2002). They're a hard rock/metal hybrid, though. I'd wager they're acceptable, but would have to dig up their albums again to say for sure. About Volbeat... groovy heavy metal/rock and metal enough last I checked. They sound pretty much the same across their discography, don't they?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:53 pm 
 

Deleted Preface to the Dead Sea. Sludge from the wrong side of the fence: more atmospheric post-hardcore than metal.
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Gatherum
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:23 pm 
 

I am not necessarily suggesting their removal, but I would like to ask about Devil Sold His Soul. Admittedly, I haven't had much recent experience with their material prior to Empire of Light, but I'm just trying to get a feel for what makes them metal per the guidelines of MA. I like them a lot, but they really have more of a distorted and sludgy post-hardcore feel, rather than a distorted and post-hardcorish sludge feel. Perhaps I am wrong?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:11 pm 
 

Deleted Armageddon from Spain (pre-Wulfheim). No proof of release/distribution apart from a copypasta text about a "few distributed tape copies" being impossible to get and no samples anywhere to be found.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:28 am 
 

Deleted Meshuggah. They had been on the site on the basis of their early material being "post-thrash" but it's really slightly thrashy, groovy hardcore, some sorta proto-nu-metal. Their later stuff is technical nu-metal.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:34 pm 
 

Zodijackyl wrote:
Deleted Meshuggah. They had been on the site on the basis of their early material being "post-thrash" but it's really slightly thrashy, groovy hardcore, some sorta proto-nu-metal. Their later stuff is technical nu-metal.



Prepare for the shit storm to follow. I on the other hand tend to agree. Even if it's just as a joke, it should be.
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Alhadis
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HUURRR HURRRR ZOD, U SO PHUNNAE :p :rolleyes:

Deleted Evita (from Bristol, England). Post-hardcore/emo crap.
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Tueur
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:10 am 
 

I think one of those 2 bands should be removed: it seems to be the same band, with the same release (check track names)

Only the release title and the tracklisting (slightly) differ

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Violator/28621
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Specimen_32/25903

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Helvede
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:35 am 
 

Tueur wrote:
I think one of those 2 bands should be removed: it seems to be the same band, with the same release (check track names)

Only the release title and the tracklisting (slightly) differ

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Violator/28621
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Specimen_32/25903


Good catch...Hard to say which one is the one to keep. Google gives little, their myspace/homepages are gone and intenet archive gives nothing. It seems like the last activity was by the name Specimen 32, but it's uncertain which name the ep was released under.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:03 am 
 

Maybe it was released under both names. Wouldn't be the first time that happened.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:43 am 
 

From what I gathered, Violator had a release show for an ep, and then went on working on a full length. As of know, I'd say Violator is the one we should keep.

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Helvede
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:45 am 
 

Can't really tell if there was a namechange to Specimen 32, or if that was a new band formed by ex-members of Violator.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:58 pm 
 

I'd say keep Violator as well, at least the EP has a cover.

Anyway if it was re-released under the name Specimen 32 with the same exact tracks, it's not a new release at all and if Specimen 32 does not have another release, it should not stay I guess

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:21 pm 
 

V1 had the links to Specimen 32 and Violator websites, which are now dead, of course. By using archive.org, I've found the following. Specimen 32 website existed in 2003 and early 2004, and was already down in June 2004. The only info that is saved is about their show dates. The earliest snapshot of Violator website is from December 2004, and the earliest news post is from August 2004, where they say: "We will be releasing our self titled EP, it will be unleashed at the Brick by Brick show in San Diego where will be sharing the stage with our friends, Winterthrall, Gutrot, Exhausted Prayer and Epicedium". The next post says San Diego kicked ass, so they had probably relased their EP at that show. In early 2005 the site was already down. So, it seems Violator existed after Specimen 32.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:48 pm 
 

Ok, so it might be the case that Specimen 32 had plans to release an ep, but before it happened, they changed name to Violator, and then released it with the same tracks. That would also explain why Specimen 32 were added to MA first. We should keep Violator and put Specimen 32 in the activity/former name field.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:48 am 
 

Nuclear Death Terror have been deleted. Crust punk with very little to no actual death metal in it. Not sure what they were doing here.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:47 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Nuclear Death Terror have been deleted. Crust punk with very little to no actual death metal in it. Not sure what they were doing here.


NDT were brought to deletion in this topic by user BabySchraiberJesus in 2011 and mod answered:

Helvede wrote:
Plenty of death metal the old school primitive way in this.


I remembered that Antisect, another crusties, were here too. Seems that crust bands are very borderline with metal.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:58 pm 
 

Yes, I'm aware, but Alhadis and I are just not hearing it. I've been listening through their entire discography and it's pure crust punk. There's tons of metallic "stenchcore" crust bands, but I feel very confident proclaiming that this is not one of those.
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