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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:58 pm 
 

Deleted The AGs - looks like some terrible misrepresentation got this skate punk band added back in 2008.

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GuardAwakening
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:14 pm 
 

So I've even submitted a report for this to get it removed with not much explanation with other than admin Diamhea agreeing with me saying "I thought so too, but apparently its fine."
...so i figured i'll ask on here: why is this allowed on here? http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mas ... 3540420355

Every single instrument is programmed, isn't this a site for metal? Not programmed electronic/chiptune music? Can someone explain? It still makes no sense to me and goes against what is stated on the submission rules entirely.

Why is this ok?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:47 pm 
 

Deleted King's X after we recently went through their entire discography. Pretty much a rock band; not a single album is predominantly metal, most not even remotely so. Another regrettable oversight that has endured for almost a decade and a half. The various ostensibly non-metal solo- and side-projects connected to it that are also included are probably gonna go soon as well. EDIT: Jughead, Jerry Gaskill and Ty Tabor deleted.

GuardAwakening wrote:
So I've even submitted a report for this to get it removed with not much explanation with other than admin Diamhea agreeing with me saying "I thought so too, but apparently its fine."
...so i figured i'll ask on here: why is this allowed on here? http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mas ... 3540420355

Every single instrument is programmed, isn't this a site for metal? Not programmed electronic/chiptune music? Can someone explain? It still makes no sense to me and goes against what is stated on the submission rules entirely.

Why is this ok?

I haven't listened, but it's worth mentioning that the absence of real instruments is not in itself reason to delete a band. It's about the sound, not the source of the sound.
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GuardAwakening
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:35 pm 
 

so as far as this site is concerned, you can play metal without instruments?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:58 pm 
 

Technically yes, but it's not like this is always a straightforward issue. The first part here elaborates.
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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:22 am 
 

During my tenure here, there's no such rule, though I recall such an attitude mentioned in the past. There are quite a few artists with programmed/synthesized guitars on the site. It's been over 30 years since Judas Priest used guitar synthesizers on Turbo, and that's certainly metal!

Progtronic and Grind.bot are both fairly conventional forms of metal that are entirely synthesized. Taro Bando and his F-Zero X soundtrack are entirely synthesized, but it's pretty clearly metal. Ditto Daisuke Ishiwatari and the Guilty Gear stuff, from what I recall. There's also a lot of bands with guitar synthesized using Guitar Pro RSE, which often isn't noticed to be a synth unless you know the quirks of it. They're all shitty, though, and get butthurt if you mention it. :lol:

Master Boot Record is an odd band, it's basically synthwave made of metal riffs. Bando and Ishiwatari were mentioned as comparables when we discussed it. Morrigan gave a nod of approval on this one. I may tweak the genre a bit as I get acquainted with the discography a bit more, or a new etymology may emerge for this style given the synthwave-metal connection, but bottom line is it is acceptable.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:59 am 
 

Deleted:

KXM - more rock than metal
Poundhound - some mix of nu-metal and 90s rock
Dug Pinnick - alternative/hard rock
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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:32 pm 
 

Morbid Footnote: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mor ... 3540357300

I submitted this band on the first day digital-only bands were being accepted and the guidelines were still being felt out back then. This band's only release is a 14-minute full-length, so they should probably be deleted for the time being until (unless) they release something else.
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Azmodes
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Appreciate it, deleted. Do you need me to send you the review?
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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:06 pm 
 

Nope, I've got a copy, but thanks. :)
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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:36 pm 
 

Deleted ByoNoiseGenerator. Some sort of awful wanky pornogrind-slam-jazzcore nonsense.

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S9NE
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:29 pm 
 

Brain Defloration (Ukraine): http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bra ... 3540384925

Only has a 13-minute EP on Bandcamp. I couldn't find any evidence of a physical release, so they should be removed. Kind of baffled as to why I even submitted this band in the first place, but whatever.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:44 am 
 

Deleted Steel Wings from the UK. They're already here as the Swedish Steelwings (then known as Steel Wings), the wrong country tag apparently resulting from an appearance on a sampler released by a label known for their NWOBHM output.

S9NE wrote:
Brain Defloration (Ukraine): http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bra ... 3540384925

Only has a 13-minute EP on Bandcamp. I couldn't find any evidence of a physical release, so they should be removed. Kind of baffled as to why I even submitted this band in the first place, but whatever.

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Midnight Rider
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:36 pm 
 

Last bump:

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Dol Theeta needs to be re-evaluated.

Incorrectly listed as "Progressive/Symphonic Metal with Electronic music influences",
their style is purely based on electronic alt-rock layered with metallic guitars that are present in only very few songs.
Various genres are involved, but this is not predominantly metal.

Discography:
Goddess EP / The Universe Expands (full-lenght) / Knee-Deep EP

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Antioch
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:01 pm 
 

GREEN SLEEVES (Swe)
Just handled a couple of reports on the band's page.

The two songs on the split are 80s' rock:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdFJlADcYQ4
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A44c5MoO5aI

Their debut needs reassessment, too. Personally, I'd say it's more hard rock than metal. The guitars are thick and heavy, but the riffs are mostly rock - quite run-of-the-mill even by 2006 standards. If it's to stay, I think Rock (early), Hard Rock/Heavy Metal (later) is more fitting as a genre.

PS. The reports weren't genre-related. It's not like I'm closing half-done stuff. ;)
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Emptiness Cycle
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:22 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Leteo/51697.

I couldn't find anything at all online, which is quite suspect by itself, and none of my contacts in Mexico had heard of a metal band with this name. When I visited their Facebook (linked on profile), it says that Leteo is a Dark ambient project, and the accompanying samples back that up. Not metal.

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Antioch
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:58 am 
 

What search engines do you use, EC?

https://christfuckerrecords.bandcamp.com/album/phantasm
https://funerealmoonofficial.bandcamp.c ... m/phantasm
+ a thousand other links

Or do you mean you couldn't find their old stuff? Perhaps the stuff that got them approved?
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Emptiness Cycle
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:09 am 
 

Antioch wrote:
What search engines do you use, EC?

https://christfuckerrecords.bandcamp.com/album/phantasm
https://funerealmoonofficial.bandcamp.c ... m/phantasm
+ a thousand other links

Or do you mean you couldn't find their old stuff? Perhaps the stuff that got them approved?



Pardon my ambiguity. I can't find any metal releases by them :) I did ask them on FB and got told that they were never metal, but bands do tend to whitewash their earlier stuff.

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:16 pm 
 

Emptiness Cycle wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Leteo/51697.

I couldn't find anything at all online, which is quite suspect by itself, and none of my contacts in Mexico had heard of a metal band with this name. When I visited their Facebook (linked on profile), it says that Leteo is a Dark ambient project, and the accompanying samples back that up. Not metal.

Well, yeah, it's a Dark Ambient project... Ever since it was reactivated in 2016. It was originally started as a Black Metal project in 1993 and changed name to Funereal Moon in 1994, and Leteo as a musical entity wasn't active again until last year. Who are your contacts in Mexico, mate? Perhaps they're not actively, personally involved in the scene? Funereal Moon is a living legend in underground Black Metal and all of its accompaining projects are well known in here. I know both of the guys involved in this band. Hell, I even got drunk with them last November in Mexico City. This checks out.
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Antioch
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:35 pm 
 

OpsiusCato wrote:
Well, yeah, it's a Dark Ambient project... Ever since it was reactivated in 2016.

The genre field could use an update, OC. ;)
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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:03 pm 
 

Right-o.
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TheGreatDuck
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:20 am 
 

Why is Lordi here? Judging by the few songs of theirs I've heard, they're really not that different from many other hard rock bands that happen to be rejected.

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:28 am 
 

TheGreatDuck wrote:
they're really not that different from many other hard rock bands that happen to be rejected.


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5. Comparing bands (don't)

This may seem like the obvious course of action in some cases, but be advised that we generally frown upon arguments like "you have band A listed and band B is similar, hence you must also accept band B". Please avoid this, as it comes with the following problems:
1) We simply do not work that way. Each band is assessed and judged on its own merit and trying to compare two distinct bands is treacherous business, even if they may sound similar. And if the two are indeed sonic carbon copies, perhaps the listed one should be deleted instead.
2) Since the site lists a (very) small number of non-metal exceptions, one might be tempted to use them as a reference point. However, these are exactly that, exceptions, and not subject to our guidelines on music.
3) Slippery slope. We do not want to base further inclusions solely on one or more listed band(s) that might be questionable or were wrongly approved to begin with. We would rather (re-)assess the proposed inclusion and the compared listed band(s) on their own instead of expanding a part of the database based around repeated instances of a resigned "we'll, we have this, why not this as well?". See item 1).
4) Most importantly, the Archives can in some ways be seen as a database of metal releases rather than bands. What that means is that in order to gain entry, a band only needs one predominantly metal release (ideally a full-length), regardless of the rest of their discography. This can result in bands starting out as metal, but changing to non-metal later or the reverse. More subtle cases exist, with bands being listed based on a (possibly lesser-known) fraction of their discography. So how does this connect to comparing bands? Well, it's simple: Since we judge releases, comparing band A as a whole to band B as a whole is a fallacious argument when one is actually comparing non-metal output of band A (accepted based on their metal output) to non-metal output of band B (unacceptable because they have no metal output). Consider it one level above arguing that band B should be included because they have a few songs as metal as band A's releases.

So again, each band is judged individually and we don't do the blind approach "A, hence also B".
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TheGreatDuck
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:44 pm 
 

Excuse me, I forgot of this rule. Allow me to rephrase it then:
The few songs of theirs I've heard so far sound like regular hard rock to me. Have they actually got some actual metal songs I'm not aware of that would justify their presence in the Archives, or is their presence here a case of a long tern oversight?

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:57 pm 
 

It would've had to have been "Get Heavy" since that was the only album out when the band was accepted.

Lordi has always been a weird heavy metal/hard rock hybrid. I haven't heard that album in a long time, but I remember it being acceptably metal.
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HOT_DOG_DAY_89
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:11 am 
 

Why are you asking when you say you only heard a few songs by them? That's the kind of stuff you ask if you have listened through most or all of their albums and haven't found any metal.

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Emptiness Cycle
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:03 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Svafnir/26497

This entire release is Dungeon Synth - not a single guitar or metal vocal on it. Pretty surprised as the user seems to have submitted enough legitimate bands to really know the difference.

Here's the link https://yadi.sk/d/BQy69nFD3DZoPq

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Azmodes
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Antioch
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:58 am 
 

Withering Moon
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wit ... 3540418377

A two-track demo. Zero metal on the available track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2u0P3BocGQ
And I'm pretty sure GearWing doesn't have the other track.

Either way, too iffy a release to warrant inclusion.
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Krister Jensen
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:38 am 
 

Image There's a camera in the queue. xD
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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:44 am 
 

Kinda funny actually. Thanks though.
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Azmodes
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These spam subs have been showing up semi-regularly since a few months or so.
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Azmodes
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Deleted Satan's Empire. No valid releases proven.
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joecubbie
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:00 am 
 

Out of curiosity, why and how was Hericane Alice accepted? I'm not against their inclusion, I'm just curious as to how they're seen as any heavier than L.A. Guns, Black 'N Blue, or early Great White. By the way, not comparing bands here.

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:51 am 
 

Considered Metal enough by 3 moderators including me.
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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:47 pm 
 

Murmuüre: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mur ... 3540304148

As much as I like this project, I'm not sure they should be here. Their sole full-length doesn't have many riffs, mostly just churned-up industrial sounds or pretty synths. The guitar is usually buried to the point where it's just some background fuzz. It sounds metal at times, but I personally don't think it's predominantly a metal album.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:57 pm 
 

MutantClannfear wrote:
Murmuüre

I disagree. The ambient passages are to be expected. They're a resource to make the album flow. All of the instruments used in it go from the forefront to the background to the front again, and the riffs/drumming/vocals are rooted in Metal. It's an Ambient/Black Metal album, so both sides of the coin will be at the spotlight at times.
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Krister Jensen
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:32 am 
 

Reported: Halo of Leprosy
http://www.metal-archives.com/report/vi ... 4/show/all

https://haloofleprosy.bandcamp.com/
sounds strange... are the guitars real?

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GuardAwakening
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:39 am 
 

Is this allowed on here? http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hal ... 3540394473

It sounds like one of those awful chuggy cybergrind bands youd hear on myspace way back in the day. while some very few riffs are metallic, most of it is chug chug and noisy wank. I really don't believe this is passable. is it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fxes3JQ7SY

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GuardAwakening
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:40 am 
 

@Krister Jenner, I'm sorry, I didn't see your post. My bad.

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