Deleted Barbarian from Belgium. Borderline heavy metal at best.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mer ... 3540310014 can be removed

Same as Merciless Massakre added in 2006

How come Botanist is still on the site? It has been reported in this thread weeks ago.

you can delete Dies Funebris

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dies_Funebris/90832

Same as Dies Fvnebris http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dies_Fvnebris/32681

Confusion came because the Dies Fvnebris is located in Italy.

Anyway from the info I could gather the band formed in Venezuela with venezuelan members but Jorge Chuna (at least him) moved to Rome, Italy and now plays in other bands Demonian, Endaemona, Perfidy Biblical

So I changed the origin to Venezuela and put a note about the relocation to Italy

info about venezuelan scene http://www.rockhechovenezuela.com/diesfunebris.htm

Toasted.

Okay, so this band I submitted a while back, Haemangioma:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hae ... 3540336036

I'm not exactly sure, but upon further listening I believe the guitars are programmed, which by the site's definition would deem them not metal. Listen for yourself: http://www.myspace.com/haemangioma

Sorry about that.

Deleted Norgoth.

Demo listed on the page was released under the artists name, Drahcir. Already here.

Yeah... they sound programmed to me too. Deleted.

Deleted Militants.

They are in fact The Militants, already in the archives.
The only demo on the page belongs to The Militants.

Also deleted October from US.

The page listed "Positively Negative" as a demo. Back cover says they are from China Grove NC.
http://imageshack.us/f/338/octoberh.jpg/

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/October/111709
Page had an 8-song demo listed as their discography, which is "Positively Negative".

Deleted Plague Marine.

Their only release was released after they changed their name to Armored Assassin.

Essoupi: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Essoupi/21200

This is not black metal.

http://www.myspace.com/essoupi

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Death Fucktory: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dea ... 3540339778

Should be removed, apparently it was a compilation (if you look closely you can see the title):
http://artefucked.net/oldpagan/?templat ... thfucktory

Sorry about that...

Both gone.

I suppose that this band http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/The ... tion/74362 that I submitted back in 2006 should be removed. If you read the band's bio on their official myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/theblesseddeception you can see that there is nothing that says that the demo got released physically, they only say that they recorded a shitty demo. In all cases if you want to keep the band I suppose that the band's name should be changed to Euphoric Agony.


Also this band http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Remember/107795 not metal darkwave http://www.discogs.com/Remember-Promo-9 ... se/1894362 (also check the instruments used to record the demo) and the promo was self-released so no worldwide distribution anyway if you wan't to keep it as a side project please change the genre to Darkwave.

Cimmerii (USA) - removed.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Charlie_Drown/70425
Entire discography can be heard here: http://www.reverbnation.com/charliedrown

It's a mix of goth dance/electronic/industrial/pop punk and a few of the earlier songs have heavy-sounding distorted guitars. The majority of it isn't even close to metal.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cha ... 3540337500 release date 15/01/2012

It says here that the album is officially out since yesterday: http://totalrust-music.com/News.asp

I see, apparently they didn't update all the site sections.

Apparently Malefice added yesterday should be deleted

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Malefice/3540339031

Previously deleted in june by Azmodes

"Deleted Malefice. Hard rock with some new wave touches and minimal metal influences."

Hah, damn, that's a bit embarrasing. Having listened to the whole album, I don't quite agree with my previous assessment. The metal influences are not that minimal, the first half of the album is pretty metal sometimes, but it does lean more towards rock/pop overall. Potential headscratcher, but I've deleted them again. (and also blacklisted the band, normally I blacklist every band posted here, but somehow this one slipped through)

Should be removed !!!

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ang ... 3540313596

Reasons would be nice.

It's NOT METAL.

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/AngelicalTears

Genre Gothic "Metal"/ ROCK

Wimpy as fuck as it gets.

Hmm, you're right. Sounds like a mix of later Katatonia and nu-metal.

Listened to the tracks now... my God, they make Within Temptation sound like Tristania. Definitely gothic rock.

Deleted.

Also almost all bands with Gothic Metal / Rock Genre tag should be Re-checked. Listened to few so far and it's total shit man.

Good idea.

I'm bumping this post from a few months ago because it seems to have been overlooked. Check the band on YouTube, there's no metal to be found.

Here is the full album on bandcamp:
http://verdant-realm-botanist.bandcamp.com

But, Caliginosity said:


I disagree, though.

Must we listen to every band? There are some that started out or evolved from a different metal genre, and it may be sufficient to stay.

I'm surprised Volumes hasn't been nuked yet. While I do enjoy them, they seem to sound somewhat similarly to bands like Periphery and Structures, who are also absent. Here are some song samples as proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-TcBe4K ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o236oBAR ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UN0PpFM ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-8zCY9f3OA&ob=av2e
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iAmvlZh ... ure=fvwrel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELLfB2d5 ... ure=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUNvv8S1QYk

Obviously big names like Katatonia and such can stay, but most of those gothic metal/rock bands are no heavier than Evanescence. Think of it as the -Core Purge of '09, except this is the Immortal Tears Edition.

EDIT: Jesus fuck, Immortal Tears is apparently an actual band. >_>

You don't have to agree.


It's not uncommon for bands to evolve over time, yeah. For that reason, every single release must be checked before the band can be safely deleted. Angelical Tears were toasted because they only had one album - one that was far from acceptable by MA's standards.


I wouldn't put it that way. While there's probably a good deal of other plushy goth rock bands that've found their way into MA that need a double-checking, I don't advise users to start filling this thread with deletion requests for every single borderline band... only if a band is really, really asking for it. I still recommend double-checking bands with "Gothic Rock" in their genre, though.

I know, I was just posting my disagreement with the mod and hoping for a re-evaluation. Sorry if I caused any bother.

I only objected since bands that used a piano in a similar manner are blacklisted. Pianos work in a similar way to a hammered dulcimer, so if the hammered dulcimer can be considered as adequate, why are bands like Gravesideservice and In Legend blacklisted?

I cannot find any samples of the original release of Masters of Lunacy by Gravesideservice (the one on their bandcamp isn't the same as the copy I have). But here is a sample of In Legend, could we add this band, then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjHrfpUi2V8

Medley of the album:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWe_TO8wMfM

By whom? Sorry if I will sound rude but I have to say that in a clear and understandable way. Let me start by saying that I don't care if Angelical Tears or any other band got deleted. As a grindcore, deathcore, brutal death metal fan I don't suppose that you are the 'perfect' moderator to double-check those bands. First you are not familiar with the genre not to mention that you are not familiar with the gothic rock genre too. Yes Angelical Tears is borderline and yes Angelical Tears may sound not metal enough to your ears but unfortunately this is not gothic rock either. For instance, Angelical Tears is a melodic gothic metal/alternative rock band. You may think they are more on the alternative rock side, let it be this is not the point here. I should also mention that this is far from being the Tristania gothic metal type of music also this is absolutely not the Within Tempation genre of music. I personnally don't agree with the gothic tag for Within Temptation but it's commonly refered too as a gothic metal band so let it be. This is not the Epica gothic type nor the Cradle of Filth type. But rest assured there is too many bands added to MA under the gothic metal or the gothic metal/rock tag that sounds typically similar to Angelical Tears not to mention that some of them are even less heavy. I'm convinced that you never heard such combination (also refered to as gothic metal or gothic metal/rock) but others did and trust me if you search for such bands on MA you will be shocked. Unfortunately for you those bands are metal enough, they got accepted by more knowledgeable moderators and it will be extremely funny to see them got removed. Don't get me wrong I am far from being the 'expert' regarding this genre but as I listen to countless of bands on a regular basis, I have some basic information regarding this and I can easily make a long list of such bands in MA. Thing that I won't do unless I got convinced myself that those bands does not fit to MA. In all cases I'll help you start your search ---> The Crest. Let me know what you think about them.

That didn't sound rude so much as plain bloody ignorant. First of all, I was a definite gothic metal lover many years ago, and I can still distinguish gothic metal from gothic rock (I always hated Evanescence). So, don't let my preferences in metal today fool you into thinking I can't judge a genre because it doesn't comply with what I'd prefer to listen to today.


The band had some metallic elements, but not enough to justify their presence on the site.


I'm sure all of them have at least one release that's consistently metal. Angelical Tears had only one EP and every song sounded like Evanescence with some metallic moments thrown in.


I hate deathcore. You either are really ignorant, or know me well enough to know that accusation was insulting.

Do Evanescence sounds like, for example, Asrai to you? If you will tag Evanescence as a gothic rock band then you should re-consider broadening your information about the genre. If you can distinguish gothic metal, as you claim, then I suppose you should agree that Within Temptation along many other bands tagged under gothic metal in MA should infact got their genre modified to probably melodic, power, symphonic or even sometimes progressive metal while some should be tagged as "extreme" gothic metal.



IF this is the case then I suppose that their genre should be definitely modified to look like Lacuna Coil's tag for example. But still I'm convinced that many of those didn't change their genre.



The vocals are undoubtedly Evanescence's like but instrumentally they are metal enough. For instance the band lists the following as their influences: Lacuna Coil, Evanescence, Where Angels Fall, Mortal Love, Leaves' Eyes, The Crest, Theatre of Tragedy, (should I mention that those bands does not play the Tristania gothic metal style of music? Hint: You could start by checking those bands ) Megadeth, Metallica (all the bands except Evanescence are in MA). If you are/was familiar with those bands you won't be surprised (at all) once you listen to Angelical Tears. In all cases I'm not trying to convince you that the band is metal enough, I am trying to tell you that you may do several mistakes once you blindly start to delete similar bands.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Kamilla/3540322564

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kamillamusic2



C'mon.It's not funny anymore.

I didn't blindly delete anything, GraveWish. I listened to each of those song samples (albeit painfully) and heard more rock than metal. When I downloaded the full tracks, I saw that only two of the songs were predominantly metal: "Save Me" and "Darkness". The others were mid-tempo, down-tuned gothic rock. As I said, it's a borderline affair and I felt the band's music leaned primarily in the rock direction. I'd expect you to disagree, given your history of submitting borderline bands to the site.


So what you're ultimately claiming is that MA has the standards of "gothic metal" completely wrong and what we consider to be gothic metal is actually power or "extreme" gothic metal... right?


That band can cite Defeated bloody Sanity as their influence for all it matters. It still doesn't influence their songwriting.


I really shouldn't have brought up Tristania as an example comparison, should I? I know Leaves Eyes, and The Crest, and Theatre of Tragedy. Within Temptation might be soft, but their music have enough aggressive metal elements.

No, this is not what I meant. Tristania is gothic metal, latter Sentenced is gothic metal, latter Cradle of Filth is extreme gothic metal similar bands should be tagged as extreme gothic metal and not melodic black/gothic metal or even melodic black metal. Within Temptation should be tagged as melodic/symphonic Metal only, the gothic metal tag should be removed. Many symphonic power metal bands has gothic metal in their genre this also should be removed. This is a common misunderstanding, it's kind off like tagging Nightwish as gothic metal.



Yes, it's not the first time that I repeat that I joined the site to mainly submit borderline (on the metal side) bands, since anyone minimally knowledgeable with metal can submit any old-school metal band. It's up to the moderators to accept/reject those submissions. Also keep in mind that "given my history of submitting borderline bands to the site" every band that I submit/submitted with a borderline genre tag is/was carefully checked by at least one moderator before it acceptance. Not to mention that some was privately discussed.



I must disagree with you here. In fact the songwriting is typically a mix between The Crest and Mortal Love with Evanescence's like vocals. Again I don't care if the band got deleted I know that they are borderline and their metalness can be judged subjectively depending on the user/moderator. The fact is that there is too many similar bands in MA, do you think that they all got accepted accidentally and under the same genre tag? Well I doubt that because if not that means the moderator who accepted them is either extremely ignorant or exceedingly idiot to repeat the same error countless of times right? And I'm quite sure he is far from being that.