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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:32 am 
 

"Lethal" is a heavy metal album, and the ones leading up to it were metallic hard rock, enough to keep them on the archives IMO.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:16 pm 
 

Helvede wrote:
Anyone know why Greek band Divorce was accepted?

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Divorce/3540261521

- Sounds like pure AOR to me on the Triangle album, but maybe they actually played metal on early releses?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10sagjfschc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5Zs0yejOkg
Indeed. I actually submitted a report citing wrong genre a few days ago.

Their contribution to Metal Gear is certainly Metal, and one track from Triangle is Metal. Everything else is a mix of AOR/Hard Rock and even Pop Rock in places. One song is flat out Pop. It's all a question of sufficient Metalness at this point. On principle, I think 10-15 minutes of Metal merits a band's inclusion, but considering the dearth of Divorce's Metal tracks, I wouldn't miss 'em.
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Helvede
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:26 am 
 

Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
Helvede wrote:
Anyone know why Greek band Divorce was accepted?

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Divorce/3540261521

- Sounds like pure AOR to me on the Triangle album, but maybe they actually played metal on early releses?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10sagjfschc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5Zs0yejOkg
Indeed. I actually submitted a report citing wrong genre a few days ago.

Their contribution to Metal Gear is certainly Metal, and one track from Triangle is Metal. Everything else is a mix of AOR/Hard Rock and even Pop Rock in places. One song is flat out Pop. It's all a question of sufficient Metalness at this point. On principle, I think 10-15 minutes of Metal merits a band's inclusion, but considering the dearth of Divorce's Metal tracks, I wouldn't miss 'em.


Yeah, well those two tracks from the split are also quite borderline (though more metal than the full length), so I'm seriously thinking about a nuke. Unless someone know about the content of the 'rare ep 1988' mentioned in the add. notes?

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Muhammadabbadabba
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:51 pm 
 

Helvede wrote:
Yeah, well those two tracks from the split are also quite borderline (though more metal than the full length), so I'm seriously thinking about a nuke. Unless someone know about the content of the 'rare ep 1988' mentioned in the add. notes?
Cursory googling has returned little, but if this reviewer is to be trusted, then the self-titled EP from '91 also has no discernible Metal.

Dunno anything about that mythical EP from '88, but considering their known discography, that EP might very well be Divorce's only consistently Metal release...but I doubt it.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:11 pm 
 

I say toss 'em. A lot of dubious stuff was accepted around 2007/2008...
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Helvede
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:45 am 
 

I contacted the submitter if he knows something we don't.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:30 pm 
 

Regarding Cockney Rejects, VileRancour talked to me personally about this band back in the day before submitting them. He sent me an album (I'll be damned if I remember which one it was, that was like eight years ago...!) and I found it convincing enough, so I told him to submit.
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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:05 pm 
 

A bit late to the Cockney Rejects discussion, sorry.

I listened to Lethal, and it is definitely Heavy Metal.
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Manic Maniac
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:42 pm 
 

Does Wrath Of Killenstein really belong to this archives? Not that I don't like the band, but their obviously Blackened Mallcore. Blackened Industrial MALLCORE with Gothic influences.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:49 pm 
 

You could at least post some links if you really want us to consider your appeal.
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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:54 pm 
 

This seems acceptable to me. Not exactly good, but there's prominent metal riffing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADTXhcfI8dI

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aaauuuuu
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:11 pm 
 

Hi, I didn't see the band that there's another Схоластика http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Схоластика/3540363453 was already here before I submitted the band. And this is the same band http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sch ... ism/112255 but it's correct: same genre, same city. But different band name (latin / cyrillic)

From the Схоластика VK page http://vk.com/albums-22576776#/album-22576776_124498757 you can see the first photo, that's the first demo "Portrait of Duke Albernbagger" / "Портрет Герцога Альбернбаггера" is now on Scholasticism release page. I'm sorry I didn't see the band that was already available on MA, since I type Схоластика then found nothing, so I added it. You can remove mine.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:38 pm 
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADTXhcfI8dI - This has simple riffs, sorta like Korn "Here To Stay"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82HgqXyJrNI - Ironic name. It has rapping.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRu67hSfP7o - Sounds like Satyricon covering Alien Ant Farm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxantZdvKuE - Not sure what to make of this one.
It's not that I don't like the band, but to not ignore the Mallcore sound it has. As I've read, this encyclopaedia has a strict "No Mallcore allowed" rule. The only exceptions are bands that WAS Mallcore or didn't began as Mallcore.
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Wr ... tein/10044 - At least modify the genre so it is more detailed than "Gothic Metal." It should at least mention the Black Metal & Industrial influences.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:40 pm 
 

Whoops, wrong link.
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wra ... tein/10044
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:43 am 
 

aaauuuuu wrote:
I'm sorry I didn't see the band that was already available on MA, since I type Схоластика then found nothing, so I added it. You can remove mine.

In all honesty mate, that's not your fault. The Cyrillic spelling of the band's name was mojibaked in the ANS field, so of course searching for it wouldn't have found anything... and there's about 4-5 different Latin transliterations of the band's name floating about, so I understand that was a mistake on your behalf.

I've merged the info from your submission into the earlier one and deleted yours; thanks for the help. =)
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And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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Grave_Wyrm
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:08 pm 
 

Considering As They Burn. Registered as Death Metal/Deathcore. Sounds majority core to me, though.
This is all of Aeon's War for perusal.

I wouldn't say they're without any sign of metal. There are definitely parts of A New Area for Our Plagues that do it, but I wouldn't think there are enough. Their most recent, Will, Love, Life (which I would almost call MeloDeathcore) is in keeping with the critique "sure they touch on metal here and there, but do they do so enough over all?"

At least there's better riffing than in most core I've heard, and particularly in the EP the guitar tone meets the DM requisites sometimes, but the core drum machine beats, thin bro-calls, break downs, and general "core quality" are pretty much inevitable with these guys, and to my ears outweigh the metal passages to a dominant degree -- so, as ever, it's up to the mods.

It's one of the few core projects I've almost liked, so .. at least it wasn't painful to investigate. I just can't hang with core's rhythm.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:04 am 
 

Being the resident -core janitor, I'll give their stuff a listen over the weekend and report to the rest of the mods with my findings.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:19 am 
 

cool. I gave it a pretty thorough listen because I don't want to waste your time. Sounds like a rough job. Thank you for your sacrifice.

edit: also, I've noticed several bands that have profiles but no releases added yet. How's this possible when a release is required for admission here? If you want, I can hunt them up again and put links here for consideration.
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Cursarion
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:44 am 
 

^ Always the details of the releases (like tracklists) aren't known, so a proper release can't be added. That kind of releases are usually put in the additional notes, but sadly that hasn't always been the practice, so some are just blank. It was very recently discussed for example here.
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Sciera
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:47 am 
 

Grave_Wyrm wrote:
edit: also, I've noticed several bands that have profiles but no releases added yet. How's this possible when a release is required for admission here? If you want, I can hunt them up again and put links here for consideration.


These normally are very old entries. It happens when we have the proof that a band released a metal album but don't know the release date or exact tracklist. Often it's mentioned in the add. notes instead but in some cases the information is missing.
It will propably be quite difficult to hunt these up but if you want to do this, feel free to do so. Good luck and thanks in advance!

But, you propably won't need to post the infos in this thread (except for when you think a band should be deleted) but just add the missing information to the bands' profiles or file a report.

EDIT: Uh, someone was faster. Well, now you have some information twice.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:00 am 
 

Fækal Omsorg is history. Unacceptable noisecore.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:27 pm 
 

Sciera wrote:
helpful stuff

RonimuZ wrote:
more helpful stuff

Thanks, you two. I'll go back through the lists I was searching and see what the notes say. I'll see what I can find to submit for them, but if nothing else, I'll submit reports to bring attention to the blank profiles. Thanks again. Keep up the good work! :)
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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:06 pm 
 

Going from memory, As They Burn are breakdown-heavy metalcore/deathcore with strong traces of death metal. Tons of breakdowns. However, they were added to the site when their debut EP was their only release, and I haven't heard that, so we should check that out.

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maxy666
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:32 pm 
 

Release date - May, 6th and this band was accepted? - http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sidious/3540363701

I added a few days ago and has been removed. what's going on? rules are rules, right?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:37 pm 
 

It looked like it was already available digitally on Bandcamp (which is usually the case when buying physical stuff there), but -strangely- it says that the download link will only be emailed once the physical album is out/being shipped. I'll delete it again.
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maxy666
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:53 pm 
 

Yes. i have an another band to add but was not accepted because the reason of not a valid release.. the band released only on Bandcamp

i think you can see this link - http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Def ... 3540363421

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:58 pm 
 

That's a short-ish digital demo without real cover art. It's not acceptable, as you were already told in the rejection email by Derigin. Please read our rules on what generally constitutes a valid digital release.

Also, this is the wrong thread for asking about rejected bands.
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maxy666
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 1:04 pm 
 

yeah, i know.. just wanted to confirm. thanks

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Desavenencia
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:39 pm 
 

Hello, i make this post concerning in What its needed for you to Remove a black ambient band that was falsely submitted as a DSBM band, the band is a solo project, and has released physical tapes and even has splits with bedroom sh*tty bands. One of my past projects was Black Metal/Ambient and it was rejected for being like 50% ambient and 50% BM. And i can not believe this project was approved with the fact its 90% Ambient and the other 10 % completely non-musical attempt to sound 'black metal'. 1/10 of the songs have a poor sounding snare and some cymbals can be heard without rythm. 9/10 of the songs are a waste of time and nothing to do with your slogan: "To help MA become the best Web resource for true heavy metal!"

I have collected a list of videos in youtube that proove that the sound is more ambient than black metal:
A reason that is enough to reject a band (and for it, also enough to delete it.)

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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:50 pm 
 

Post a link to the band you are referring to as well as the samples you stated you have. If at all possible, the mods would prefer full albums.
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Desavenencia
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:53 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pai ... 3540337047

I can not give you a rar for any of the demos, but each of this songs appear in different demos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJIn-IuuZkQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GkeD-yT-g4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8gNZI2SMHs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr4EdjbWAzY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAy4dIiLgE8

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Cursarion
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 3:50 pm 
 

I messaged the person who accepted them, in case he remembers the band.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 4:03 pm 
 

Fine, i hope its not too difficult to realize that lacks from the "metalness" required
and the project is a shame for MA. I did my part notifying you.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 10:17 am 
 

I don't remember the band, but I checked the two demos based on which it would have to have been accepted and they definitely aren't metal. I also checked as much newer stuff on Youtube and Facebook as I could find and nothing can be called black metal. I very much doubt this project has a metal-enough release, simplistic ambient with DSBM aesthetics through and through. Not sure how this one got in, I must have been on some pretty funky shit when I approved this. Nuked.
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maxy666
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 2:01 am 
 

Well, here we go again... i submit Sidious
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[http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sidious/3540362625]
on exactly exactly 00:00 May 6th because the release date.

Someone upload after me with missing information and small photo of the cover... and i received this:

Quote:
The band you have submitted was already submitted
by another user (possibly shortly before you and thus was not yet approved), and therefore your submission has been deleted to avoid a duplicate entry. We apologise for the inconvenience, but please don't let that stop you from contributing again. In the future, make sure you check the band queue
before making a submission. Thank you for your comprehension.

If you want to object to this rejection, please do so in the appropriate thread
in the Suggestions and Complaints sub-forum. Do not e-mail moderators directly about this.

Sincerely,
- Alhadis, Encyclopaedia Metallum .



Another user had uploaded this band yesterday
Quote:
with missing some things.

No matter if it was me or another before me ... I think they should know right who deserves or does not deserve to have certain privileges in this "sector" to accept bands. Maybe someone wants to take the lead of the score of this "sector" :lol: :lol:

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Oh Christ, you really think picking between three almost identical submissions (all submitted close to the same time) is gonna be easy? :facepalm: Yes, maybe some more experienced users got in an hour earlier. Maybe I decided to lean in favour of the submitter who had the fewest bands submitted. Maybe their submission had the fewest missing details. And maybe, just maybe, somebody is ALWAYS gonna be disappointed when a clusterfuck of users are all racing to get through the same door at the same damn time.

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I think they should know right who deserves or does not deserve to have certain privileges in this "sector" to accept bands. Maybe someone wants to take the lead of the score of this "sector"

I... have no idea what that's supposed to mean.

Have a bitch, have a moan, have a sarcastic laugh or two, but really, does it even matter at the end of the day? You knew the risks you were taking when trying to submit a band with a good deal of hype. Any idea how many people were disappointed the day bands like Visceral Throne and Old Silver Key were accepted? :p
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they payl termolo! not real riff!

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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 1:44 pm 
 

Its very simple. I didnt say that it is an easy job. :durr:

Its simple, just verify band queue.. This just my way of saying "you should have checked the correct way".

Learn to deal with criticism that goes against you. :-P
For me you made a small mistake and i'm here reporting... this is much simpler than it seems.

i believe this is the proposal of the sub-forum "Site Feedback"

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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 6:49 pm 
 

We can deal with criticism just fine, provided it's stated comprehensibly. And I have no idea what you're talking about, there's obviously a language barrier. What exactly are you referring to when you say "small mistake"? Do you believe your submission was more complete and should have been accepted instead? Do you want a better explanation as to why your submission was rejected? What do you mean with "checking the correct way"?

Anyway, for identical submissions there are a number of factors for deciding which one to chose. The first submission isn't always automatically the one gaining entrance. Completeness is a huge deciding factor. If, as Alhadis says, the submissions were roughly identical, it comes down to mod discretion. With which users may not always agree, of course. I myself go by the time of submission in that case, combined with whatever "background" the respective submitters bring to the table.

Such rejections happen sometimes with more popular bands, we can't please everyone and it's really not a very big deal and worth arguing over.
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 2:46 pm 
 

Deleted Слёзы. A vile concoction of nu-metal, "modern metal" and groovy hardcore.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 12:33 am 
 

On the Metallica page, there are a couple of demos that weren't released by the band. Unless the rules on MA have changed, the only demo that qualifies here would be the No Life demo. The releases I'm discussing are the Ride the Lightning demo, and the Megaforce demo.
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