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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:53 am 
 

bryankerndrummer wrote:
Why has Dehydrated Tissues been blacklisted? I understand that goregrind varies greatly in metal-ness and such, but Dehydrated Tissues seems more on the metal side of goregrind.
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I'm also unsure as to whether or not I should submit Enterorrhagia, as it might also be debatable as to how metal the band is.

Very few of Maggard's projects are metallic, bro. And Dehydrated Tissues was blacklisted because while the riffing isn't based in noise/bass, it IS predominantly fuelled by downtuned, groovy riffs reminiscent of punk-based grind - a style that the site considers to be unacceptable goregrind (you'll notice bands like Gut, CBT, Satan's Revenge on Mankind and Rompeprop aren't on here for similar reasons).
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grinder12345 wrote:
And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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JimNeidhart
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:23 pm 
 

Hello,


I submitted a few days ago my band (Splash Foetus) and i received a reply stated that we were rejected because we aren't considered metal enough to appear on the website. I just wanna have some precisions and details about this decision.

Thank you!

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:32 pm 
 

I didn't reject it, but the song on ReverbNation is riffless noise. If that's representative of the rest of the material (only one other song anyway, it would appear), then I agree with the rejection.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:59 pm 
 

cats wrote:
Hi,
Trying to submit Epta Astera and it looks like they're on the blacklist. I think someone submitted them a few years ago before they had a legitimate metal release, but now they've got a few. A doomy sort of folk metal.

For listening: http://eptaastera.com/music/semper/

Proof of release:
Image

(I don't have the CD itself anymore, but looking through the rules, it should still count as a legitimate digital release anyway)

I remember the band being a sort of atmospheric rock/shoegaze thing with metal influences or something. Haven't heard newer material, I'll give this a listen and report back then.
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JordanYSP
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:01 pm 
 

Hails Everyone.
I wanted to submit a band called Toxocracia from Mexico, but is blacklisted.
The band is metal enough to clasify in the database.
Here is the data.

Here is the most recent album from the band working with another band called Anti-society wich is listed here:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ant ... 3540334672
and the album here:
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/An ... mas/379915

Here some songs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVm8AJUf ... fAhNhZksTg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJFSZwty ... fAhNhZksTg
https://soundcloud.com/enrique-de-jesus ... irrealidad

The albums relased from Toxocracia are by Depressive Illusions Records wich have worked with several bands listed here too.
http://depressiveillusions.com/items/cd ... -fantasmas
http://depressiveillusions.com/items/cd ... -confusion

The genre of the band is Post Black Metal with some Shoegaze Black Metal influences.

Please DON'T ignore this information.
I hope Toxocracia can be resubmited, so I or someone else can post more relases from the band.
Thanks.

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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:12 pm 
 

Toxocracia is blacklisted because the band is not predominantly metal. Skimming through the youtube playlist you linked, there are some moments of sloppy black metal that punctuate what seems to primarily be some sort of shoegaze/mopey acoustic stuff. I didn't listen all the way through it though.

Per the rules, the band needs to have a release that is predominantly metal. If there is one, please identify which album is predominantly metal and provide samples of it.

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cats
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:24 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
I remember the band being a sort of atmospheric rock/shoegaze thing with metal influences or something. Haven't heard newer material, I'll give this a listen and report back then.


Cool, thanks!

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darkobscenity
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:29 pm 
 

my side band "electric grave" has been rejected..... i re-submited with the remaining info and proves... anyways here r them:

electric grave have released 1 demo, prove of that are those 2 songs taken from it:

Blood on my breath:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=445866045506840

Sinister traveller:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=449372258489552

link to demo cover:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 3356_n.jpg

hope this is enough prove of metalness and that the release is real so the songs, so this band is not rejected again...... tnx in advance

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Vrahk
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:49 pm 
 

Hello,

I am trying to add a Dutch Black Metal band called Desgraciado.
It is blacklisted, for "not being metal".
Actually it is.
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/h4cds7y722n8p/Desgraciado
Here you can listen to four tracks.
It is Black Metal with some noise in it.

Thanks!

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:08 am 
 

Epta Astera: I'm not quite sure what to make of this album. There's some parts that sound like atmospheric black metal, blast beats and you can make out simplistic tremolo riffing, but it's alongside long ambient/neofolky interludes and atmospheric passages with the guitars only used to create a wall of sound, not metal riffs. As I said, unsure, but it does remind me more of the previous album I'm somewhat familiar with, "Saligia". It's a weird band. You mentioned they now have "a few" metal releases, which other ones? I can only find the two already mentioned for download.

Vrahk wrote:
Hello,

I am trying to add a Dutch Black Metal band called Desgraciado.
It is blacklisted, for "not being metal".
Actually it is.
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/h4cds7y722n8p/Desgraciado
Here you can listen to four tracks.
It is Black Metal with some noise in it.

Thanks!

Hm, "some noise"? I admit I can make out some black metal underneath the dreadful production, but this is still borderline at best. We need evidence for a valid release in any case.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:17 am 
 

darkobscenity wrote:
my side band "electric grave" has been rejected..... i re-submited with the remaining info and proves... anyways here r them:

electric grave have released 1 demo, prove of that are those 2 songs taken from it:

Blood on my breath:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=445866045506840

Sinister traveller:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=449372258489552

link to demo cover:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 3356_n.jpg

hope this is enough prove of metalness and that the release is real so the songs, so this band is not rejected again...... tnx in advance

The music is acceptable, but a digital cover image does not prove that there exists a valid release. Is that album distributed in any form? Is it digital-only (for download on Bandcamp, Amazon, iTunes, CDBaby, etc...)? Is it available in physical form (CD, tape, vinyl, ...)? If so, can you provide photos of copies or a link to the band offering them for purchase?
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Vrahk
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:20 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Epta Astera: I'm not quite sure what to make of this album. There's some parts that sound like atmospheric black metal, blast beats and you can make out simplistic tremolo riffing, but it's alongside long ambient/neofolky interludes and atmospheric passages with the guitars only used to create a wall of sound, not metal riffs. As I said, unsure, but it does remind me more of the previous album I'm somewhat familiar with, "Saligia". It's a weird band. You mentioned they now have "a few" metal releases, which other ones? I can only find the two already mentioned for download.

Vrahk wrote:
Hello,

I am trying to add a Dutch Black Metal band called Desgraciado.
It is blacklisted, for "not being metal".
Actually it is.
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/h4cds7y722n8p/Desgraciado
Here you can listen to four tracks.
It is Black Metal with some noise in it.

Thanks!

Hm, "some noise"? I admit I can make out some black metal underneath the dreadful production, but this is still borderline at best. We need evidence for a valid release in any case.


I have a picture of the tape.
http://imgur.com/leR2kEO


This the tape mentioned on a forum: http://www.stenchforums.net/viewtopic.p ... 78&p=37025 This is the site where they sold the tape, before it was sold out: http://bolvs.blogspot.nl/ and a picture of the tape (top left): http://i.imgur.com/BjOcuRk.jpg
Stench Forums - View topic - Bolvs
www.stenchforums.net


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cats
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:38 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Epta Astera: I'm not quite sure what to make of this album. There's some parts that sound like atmospheric black metal, blast beats and you can make out simplistic tremolo riffing, but it's alongside long ambient/neofolky interludes and atmospheric passages with the guitars only used to create a wall of sound, not metal riffs. As I said, unsure, but it does remind me more of the previous album I'm somewhat familiar with, "Saligia". It's a weird band. You mentioned they now have "a few" metal releases, which other ones? I can only find the two already mentioned for download.


I had in mind SALIGIA for the other, which has some chugging as well, but I'd certainly consider SR more metal and better produced (atmospheric black, I think, is right for the latter). There was a demo before that which was, as you said, not quite metal but more metal-influenced. In their defense, lots of ABM bands have similarly extended interludes (for example Evergreen Refuge, whose BM:neofolk ratio probably borders on 1:2 for the last few of their albums).

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Required Fields
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:18 am 
 

Has anyone asked about Segression before?

I see they were on the rejected list. What I remember hearing by them sounded like metal to me, definitely more metal than a fair number of bands listed here. As far as I know, they were never listed here; I know there are bands who were listed at one time but were purged later on (Europe is one; Between the Buried and Me is another).

Here is a song of theirs. It sounds metal to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSduZ8HkrXE

I know; nothing great or life changing, but musically it sounds like metal to me, even if it isn't the best kind of metal.

I read that the album this song is off of is considered groove metal/post-thrash, usually compared to Pantera, Machine Head, and Fear Factory. That's what this sounds like, in my opinion. I read that some material they did afterwards has some nu-metal influences, although I am not certain what albums were like that or just how predominant the nu-metal was.

Anyways, I am considering submitting them, as from what I've heard, they sound metal enough that they deserve to be listed here; plus, what I've read points to their earlier albums being predominantly groove metal/post-thrash based. I do not know what material they have been evaluated on. There are many bands with a similar sound to what I have heard by them who I do see listed on here, so maybe they were evaluated on the wrong albums (kind of like how Def Leppard was originally rejected due to their later, more mainstream material, but were later accepted only because of their debut album). Perhaps someone here knows more about them than me. Maybe they have only a handful of songs like the one I posted, and are just a non-metal band with metal songs. What I've read about them (and heard by them) points to them being metal, though.

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HeavyMetalAmerica
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:32 pm 
 

I submitted a southern metal band called Southern Slop and it was rejected due to a lack of an official release. The EP that I have there is an official release, not garage tapes. The full length was supposed to be released May 25 but the album was not finished then. People have been pestering them since to put out a release so they took the 3 songs that are finished and put it on an EP (sold for $3 at shows) to satisfy their fans until every thing else is finished.
A picture of the EP can be found here:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater

I think that this is enough to make it a valid release, but I won't mind waiting until the whole album is finished to re submit.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:35 am 
 

Alright, please resubmit.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:48 am 
 

@Segression: The blacklist doth speak they started out "half-thrash" and then turned into mallcore quickly. I have never heard of them, but that song you linked is not metal.
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HeavyMetalAmerica
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:52 am 
 

Alright thanks. I just resubmitted them.
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ReignInBlood_1986
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:58 am 
 

Hello
First of all, I wanna apologize for my bad english; this is my first post here

A couple of days ago I made a submission for the band Metus Crucis (Italy), but my submission was rejected, for the following reason:

"A band needs a valid release before they can be accepted to the site - a valid release is one that's either:

Distributed in physical form (CD, CDr, DVD, tape, vinyl, etc)
Digital and available for full download: must also be a finished/final mix (no garage rehearsals or rough mixes), AND long enough (preferably over 20 minutes)
Already released. That is, no upcoming releases!"

And then, explanations to try this.

Ok, no problem, I made a mistake when I made my submission: I badly explained that a PHYSICAL RELEASE for band Metus Crucis (Italy) ALREADY EXISTS, and here I have the EVIDENCE to prove it:

http://i.imgur.com/hwMAOtb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/T2LY5WN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qwFpAwk.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Z1qXCqL.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/W7OJ33s.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/5IT5CkR.jpg


I hope it's ok now...

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:06 am 
 

ReignInBlood_1986 wrote:
Ok, no problem, I made a mistake when I made my submission: I badly explained that a PHYSICAL RELEASE for band Metus Crucis (Italy) ALREADY EXISTS, and here I have the EVIDENCE to prove it:
...
I hope it's ok now...

Yep, that's fine. :) I see here that the copies were being sold physically too.

I've approved the submission, mate. Thanks! :D
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And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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ReignInBlood_1986
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:32 am 
 

Alhadis wrote:
Yep, that's fine. :) I see here that the copies were being sold physically too.

I've approved the submission, mate. Thanks! :D


Very very good, thanks to You also for your rapidity;

I have another request, if I can do this here: it's possible to set the Genre in "Melodic Black/Thrash metal" instead of only "Thrash metal"?

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:49 am 
 

No. Because it isn't.
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And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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Dagothar
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:23 am 
 

So now i have a proper release for my band Parakalein

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater

Is this enough?

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ReignInBlood_1986
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:26 am 
 

Alhadis wrote:
No. Because it isn't.


I obviously respect your opinions and decisions, You are the Boss, but I think that a Thrash metal band that sounds like Metus Crucis doesn't exist.
Thrash metal is Slayer, Metallica, Exodus, Testament, Sodom...

In each Metus Crucis song You can hear keyboard arrangements, piano parts, pure black metal screaming vocals... You can hear important extra-thrash metal elements

We all know what is THRASH METAL, but if I search a THRASH METAL band, if I listen to Metus Crucis thinking of a thrash metal band, I think "WTF?!? Is this Thrash metal? There is a keyboard!!! And these vocals? Is he Burzum?!?"


Metus Crucis are 60-70% Thrash metal, sure, but I think You have also consider some different definitions to include extra-thrash metal influences in the definition of Metus Crucis' genre, if You don't want to accept my "Melodic black/thrash metal"

Thanks
I hope I'm not too insistent

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Rob1
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:10 am 
 

Genre Tagging is always a bit of a slippery slope. When does anything fall under this or that genre?
I would prefer only the Metal tag if it fits this sites definitions and if it doesn't fit then it doesn't belong and isn't important what genre tag it gets.
I can imagine, however that some people would like to have some more information except for Metal or not so I won't pester anyone about my beliefs in these.
I didn't make a thread about stupid genre names for nothing. ;)

Metallica I wouldn't fit under the Thrash tag since at the time they were thought to be more Speed metal and Thrash came about with Slayer but well, things change with time so...!

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justin2299
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:22 pm 
 

The Color of Valor - http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/The ... 3540370623

Rejection reasoning: "Not a metal band; does not belong on Encyclopaedia Metallum. Please read (or re-read) our rules next time to see what qualifies as metal. Post hardcore, emo, bla bla bla"

This is neither posthardcore or emo... Yes there are breakdowns, but surely that doesn't make a band non-metal. There are unique song structures, tremolo picking, pinch harmonics, riffing, chugging and solos.

Proof:
http://thecolorofvalor.bandcamp.com/tra ... -up-storms
http://thecolorofvalor.bandcamp.com/tra ... -the-truth

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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:34 pm 
 

This is as metal as a 13 years old dude who discovered Bullet for my Valentine and bought his first Asking Alexandria CD.
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justin2299
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:42 pm 
 

Metantoine wrote:
This is as metal as a 13 years old dude who discovered Bullet for my Valentine and bought his first Asking Alexandria CD.


Because they definitely ride the open string all day like AA and they totally sound like BFMV. Thanks for commenting on the band you already rejected I must not have noticed the first time. Do go on...

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:55 pm 
 

I know it's your band, Justin, no need to speak like it's not. The point is that it's not metal based on our standards, any moderators will tell you that. Among the 30 or so bands I checked yesterday in the band queue, this was the clearest rejection I had to do. It's perhaps metal for you, it isn't for us.
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justin2299
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:00 pm 
 

I edited it to clarify since I didn't initially state that it was my band. I'm still not understanding why you think it's not metal. What part of the music seems to lead you away from the metal genre? Did you listen passed the first 30 seconds, maybe the reason it was so clear is because you didn't listen to a full song?
IMO I classify my band as Killswitch Engage without the singing. Agree or disagree?

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AcidWorm
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:13 pm 
 

Is that cause the breakdown begins at about 30seconds?
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justin2299
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:20 pm 
 

No there is no set time for when a breakdown begins in our music, I just assumed he listened to a song with a breakdown in the beginning and stopped listening before he reached anything else. Most people judge a band by the first 15-30 seconds of the first song they hear, or so I've been told.

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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:41 pm 
 

As a mod, I heard the full release even if it was painful!
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justin2299
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:08 pm 
 

So... What part of the music seems to lead you away from the metal genre? Is it the breakdowns or lack of singing?

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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:59 pm 
 

Resident metalcore expert here. Before I explain this, let me note that I am explaining this as a courtesy and the evaluation of metalness isn't really up for debate.

There are plenty of similarities to metalcore bands, but there's not much/any metal riffing. Reminds me of Zao with a MA/NE metalcore flair in the overt use of melodies. Reminds me of Bring Me the Horizon in the disruptive, gratuitous use of breakdowns. The first track on this EP starts out with some metalcore riffing that I'd say is on the metal side, then it's followed by a breakdown and a whiny post-hardcore section and another breakdown. Compare that whiny clean section to a metalcore band - for example "A Light in a Darkened World" by KSE - there are even more cleans there, but to me it's really apparent that KSE are a metal band. The lead melodies are more fluid and phrased, more riff-like and paired to a vocal part, and the other riffing is some super-polished, harmonized variation of a thrash-type riff. TCOV structure the songs with much more emphasis on the breakdowns and the hardcore/post-hardcore elements like that clean section, and the harmonized melody fragments.

We require that bands be predominantly metal, and this certainly isn't predominantly metal. Referencing KSE also necessarily isn't an ideal point, because they still have songs that are hardly metal, like "My Last Serenade" which is basically hardcore breakdowns and melodic hard rock choruses punctuated by a few metal licks. I can certainly see why you would look to something like that as a reference point, but you would want to look to the band's groovy post-thrash and melodeath-lite riffing (i.e. Rose of Sharyn) rather than the songs on the more hardcore side.

I see you're playing at Cherry Street Station later that month - great venue, but be forewarned that they're awful at promoting shows.

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justin2299
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:01 pm 
 

Thank you, that is what i was looking for. The first song on the new EP(lying awake) is the least metal of the three. I can see what you're saying though about the song structures and overt use of breakdowns. We have a lot of material in the pipeline so we'll work off those points and see what happens when we release our EP next year. Hopefully it will be more up to your standards.

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Rob1
Metalhead

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:29 am 
 

justin2299 wrote:
We have a lot of material in the pipeline so we'll work off those points and see what happens when we release our EP next year. Hopefully it will be more up to your standards.

Don't make music to please others: make music because you like it in the first place! If others like it then that's an added bonus. Who cares what genre tag it gets as long as you like what you are playing as a band.
If you want to make music that is loved by millions you should make popmusic like Britney Spears or Carly Rea Jepsen or (god forbid) One Direction!

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Dagothar
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:39 am 
 

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 6784_n.jpg

This is my band Parakalein's official demo cdr release.

So now i got a proper release

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Mythics
Metal newbie

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:38 am 
 

I tried to add the band Raio Negro to the archives both forgot to add samples to prove the band's metalness. So, I have now re-submitted the band with a Mediafire link containing both demos (personal tape-rips) in the "Submission notes". Take note however that the first track from the second demo is an ambient-intro. All other tracks are (raw) black metal.

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justin2299
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:09 pm 
 

Zodijackyl wrote:
The lead melodies are more fluid and phrased, more riff-like and paired to a vocal part, and the other riffing is some super-polished, harmonized variation of a thrash-type riff.


These are attributes I would like to show off in my music. I'm sorry I'm taking criticism? Some of the points he made I agree with, while some I don't. But I'm not going to argue about it.



justin2299 wrote:
we'll... see what happens... Hopefully it will be more up to your standards.


Read through the lines man.

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