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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:28 am 
 

Doesn't sound quite metallic enough for the site's standards to me, more along the lines of prog/alt rock. Borderline.

It seems it was also considered before: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=36646&p=840773&hilit=+foreign+objects+#p840773
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herra_af_lik
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:30 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Doesn't sound quite metallic enough for the site's standards to me, more along the lines of prog/alt rock. Borderline.

It seems it was also considered before: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=36646&p=840773&hilit=+foreign+objects+#p840773


Alright thanks. I'll just tack the band onto Deron's profile then.

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kalervon
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:10 am 
 

After submitting the band Deceiving Exhort, I was asked "Where is the album available for download?".

It is available on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1& ... g%20Exhort

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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:15 am 
 

kalervon wrote:
After submitting the band Deceiving Exhort, I was asked "Where is the album available for download?".

It is available on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1& ... g%20Exhort


That's good, resubmit it. Add that as a merch link (Amazon MP3) and in the submission notes please, as we tend to not research too heavily and just check what's right there, since there are so many bands to handle.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:37 am 
 

Sleeping peonies?

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Cursarion
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:40 am 
 

OKUS wrote:
Disagree ? What makes you qualified to sit in judgement on other peoples music is baffling to me but how and ever . Listen to it if you like or dont .. Your choice ... http://okus.bandcamp.com/

I agree with the previous opinions, some parts are metallic but overall it's something else. Everything which has distorted guitars and harsh vocals isn't metal.

Sitting in judgement... Please note that we only decide which bands are included on this website. It's the metal archives, not the punk archives, and the line has to be drawn somewhere. We aren't calling you or your music bad, or even imposing any worldwide definitions on you. Whether or not you are included on the archives should be rather irrelevant in the end. And we can reconsider after your next album anyway, supposing it's reasonable.

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Sleeping peonies?

The blacklist note is blank. What do they play?
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dantes
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:18 pm 
 

Hello, I was wondering why the Norwegian band Intrigue has been blacklisted.

Their music is indeed kinda strange, but it has very clear Traditional Metal base, like TNT. I also bought one of their EP and I have to say that it's quite Metal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mll5WLijquE

I've also looked for some other songs on youtube (there aren't that many thought) and I've found more stuff that's, in my opinion, clearly Metal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TIl7xV8SOI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AKXbfcyjvo

Sure, it ain't Blasphemy or whatever but again, compare it with TNT and you'll have to admit it's quite similar.

The thing that might sound weird is of course the vocals, which are sung in the traditional Sámi "Joik" style. This kind of singing is sure far from Metal, but well, that's the concept of the group I do believe. Otherwise, i don't think there are other elements that could make the band blacklisted. I don't hear no blues, no seventies organs, no pop rock or whatever...

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:25 pm 
 

dantes wrote:
Hello, I was wondering why the Norwegian band Intrigue has been blacklisted...

It was considered folkish hard rock.
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joaonvno2009
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:39 pm 
 

recently i tried to upload a band from Portugal called Miss Cadaver, they're are blacklisted and i dont know why, i would like to add the band to metal archives, its Thrash Metal with some Punk and Crossover inlfuences. can anyone check the next songs and tell me if it is Metal or not, because im sure it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr2IGfkB8jM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWaUCDpueYk

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19dlb92
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:59 pm 
 

The band Sadistic Sacrament offers their debut EP as a free download and they will also have cds printed in june via their bandcamp page:
http://sadisticsacrament.bandcamp.com/

should i resubmit the band when the cd is released?

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dantes
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:10 pm 
 

@OpiusCato: I would beg to differ. Besides the vocal style (also used by accepted band Sagitarius http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sagittarius/3142) i don't see anything folkish at all in Intrigue's music. And, regarding the Hard Rock, again, they play basically the same kind of music than TNT, Traditional Metal, with some ballads and quite a lot of heavy-guitar-laden straight out heavy metal songs.

Again, I don't hear anything "Hard Rock" in the band's music, no blues progression (their songs are either re-adaptation of traditional songs or Metal songs of variable heaviness), no bluesy guitars, riffs, solos, organ, bottleneck... In my opinion, this is Hard Rock: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBJI1whWaFY

But this is not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mll5WLijquE

Would you please be kind to maybe reconsider Intrigue, at least listening to those songs again? I would gladly be told to fuck off, but i just wanna be sure that my arguments have been at least considered before retreating.

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Cursarion
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:45 pm 
 

Ah, Intrigue... I haven't heard them in ages. I think I tried submitting them in 2005 or 2006 or so. But I really don't know if Intrigue is that far from the hard rock sample you linked.
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dantes
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:03 pm 
 

To me they're still much more in a Judas Priest kinda trip, the guitars are really Metal, as well as a the solos.

They have a new single out by the way, and are still touring Sapmi as usual...

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:17 pm 
 

Well, as I recall, they were submitted not too long ago and 2-3 mods listened and agreed on them not being acceptable. I remember it being borderline at best.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:18 pm 
 

19dlb92 wrote:
The band Sadistic Sacrament offers their debut EP as a free download and they will also have cds printed in june via their bandcamp page:
http://sadisticsacrament.bandcamp.com/

should i resubmit the band when the cd is released?

Yeah, please wait for the physical release. The EP is a bit short for a digital release.
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dantes
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:57 pm 
 

Okay.

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metaloren
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:40 pm 
 

I think that Urchin from UK should be included in the encyclopaedia as a (traditional metal / hard rock) band. In my opinion, they had a pre-NWOBHM sound. Please, listen to this representative track from the band: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJIa3Szz2hc taken from their 1977 single "Black Leather Fantasy". What do you think about the inclusion of this band?
Band info and discography can be found here:
http://www.musik-sammler.de/artist/54500

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:37 am 
 

The band is supposed to have a release,but it may take a few months,so we would like you to highlight the other aspects which the band lacks/meets so that I can resubmit the form along with the valid releases and conditions

Yours Sincerely;
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Cursarion
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:09 am 
 

^ Gate of Israth, I presume? Well, two things are required:
  1. The music has to be metal (enough). For more information, see this, this and this.
  2. The band needs to have a valid release. For more information, see this.
Both things also require sufficient proof. In short, enough samples of the music and some documentation about the release, like good photos.
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Gravelander89
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:52 am 
 

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Sorry Gravelander89, Encyclopaedia Metallum was forced to reject your submission for the band Minblod (United States), for the following reason:

Where can we hear this music?

If you want to object to this rejection, please do so in the appropriate thread in the Suggestions and Complaints sub-forum. Do not e-mail moderators directly about this.

Sincerely,
- Zodijackyl, Encyclopaedia Metallum


The band Minblod was rejected.

You can listen to their last release here on the mediafire-link:
http://distortedcognitions.webs.com/aa.html

I have the physical release here, but actually the link should be the same music as my copy.
Let me know


anyone?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:07 am 
 

Gravelander89 wrote:
Gravelander89 wrote:
The band Minblod was rejected.

You can listen to their last release here on the mediafire-link:
http://distortedcognitions.webs.com/aa.html

I have the physical release here, but actually the link should be the same music as my copy.
Let me know


anyone?

I've downloaded the album and it's ultra-lo-fi, noise/dark ambient. Sounds like someone is trying to play black metal in the far-off distance, but the production is just ridiculous.
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Vyrvz
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:25 am 
 

Hello!

I am Rubens (Vyrvz), the bass player of the band Spiritual Void ( http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Spi ... 3540365759 ), and I am a member of Metal-Archives since 2004.
Recently, I added my currently band (Spiritual Void) to the Metal-Archives database, and it was rejected. I am always reading and updating myself on the site rules. I added a lot of links that proves that my band is real and we have recently self-released our first single (Fall in Disgrace) by ourselves, because we are unsigned and an independent band. We self-released this promo single to sell in gigs and promoting our music, and we are in the process of recording our upcoming EP of four songs, that will be also self-released by ourselves too.
I would like to politely ask to review why my band was rejected, and if it's possible, what can I do to have my band added in the Metal-Archives database? Because our music is there, and links are there too to prove that we are a real band.

Thanks and cheers to you all!

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:29 am 
 

Can you provide a photo with a few physical copies of that single in it? How many copies did you guys make?
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Vyrvz
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:48 am 
 

Thanks for the reply, Azmodes. Yes, we can provide a photo with a few physical copies of our single. We make copies as demand, depends on the quantity we need for the occasion (gigs, self selling etc.) and we give our master sleeve (front & back in a slim case box) to a printing store and they press the quantity we need, the same with the CDs.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:49 am 
 

Alright, you can either upload the photo to http://imgur.com/ and link it here or send it directly to my email address (below, on the left).
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Vyrvz
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:58 am 
 

Thanks, Azmodes.

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joaonvno2009
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:53 pm 
 

JOAONVNO2009 wrote:
recently i tried to upload a band from Portugal called Miss Cadaver, they're are blacklisted and i dont know why, i would like to add the band to metal archives, its Thrash Metal with some Punk and Crossover inlfuences. can anyone check the next songs and tell me if it is Metal or not, because im sure it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr2IGfkB8jM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWaUCDpueYk

anyone????

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:34 pm 
 

JOAONVNO2009 wrote:
JOAONVNO2009 wrote:
recently i tried to upload a band from Portugal called Miss Cadaver, they're are blacklisted and i dont know why, i would like to add the band to metal archives, its Thrash Metal with some Punk and Crossover inlfuences. can anyone check the next songs and tell me if it is Metal or not, because im sure it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr2IGfkB8jM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWaUCDpueYk

anyone????


Calm down man. It's barely been 24 hours since your first post.
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I see Flower Travellin' Band's blacklisting has been addressed, but I'm curious as to the reasoning for Jerusalem's blacklisting. Not heavy enough to merit inclusion, I take it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:37 pm 
 

gretting I would like to know... Why Funeral Inconscientemente Natural (chile) is on Blacklist??
I wrote directly on MA E-mail and HellBlazer answer this:

The moderator who rejected them did not include a note on the blacklist....

I been waiting for know teh reason.
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Cursarion
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:58 am 
 

If HellBlazer doesn't know, no one probably does. The note seems to be from years ago because it doesn't even have the information who added it, let alone why. Chances are whoever added it wouldn't remember him/herself.

So, instead of asking that, you could answer these questions: What kind music do they play? Have they undergone big musical changes? Are there valid releases? Samples?
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Hey guys, I ran a search for Corsair and saw where 'toine and Azmodes had explained that their s/t leaned maybe too far towards hard rock. I was just curious if we could maybe sneak them onto the archives on the strength of the Alpha Centauri EP? There are a lot of moments driven by what I would consider pure heavy metal riffing, not all that different from some recent Slough Feg works. I consider both Skykrakken and Beware, the Black Fleet to be purely metal, but even some of the softer songs build up to bigger riffing moments.

I know this is a long shot, I was just curious. Would love to see some reviews from the regulars here on this great band. I still haven't heard the s/t yet but its on the way to me now.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:23 pm 
 

Jonpo wrote:
Hey guys, I ran a search for Corsair and saw where 'toine and Azmodes had explained that their s/t leaned maybe too far towards hard rock. I was just curious if we could maybe sneak them onto the archives on the strength of the Alpha Centauri EP? There are a lot of moments driven by what I would consider pure heavy metal riffing, not all that different from some recent Slough Feg works. I consider both Skykrakken and Beware, the Black Fleet to be purely metal, but even some of the softer songs build up to bigger riffing moments.

I know this is a long shot, I was just curious. Would love to see some reviews from the regulars here on this great band. I still haven't heard the s/t yet but its on the way to me now.


I have no say in the matter but I do own all three records and they get more metal as they go. I actually think the Alpha Centauri EP is the least metal of the three. The new Self-titled record has some great metal riffs on it but I can see where people call it rock as well. It's a weird thing with these new vintage sounding bands. If the record was released in 1981 it probably would have been metal but in 2013 it's borderline.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:56 pm 
 

BuffaloPhlegm wrote:
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Hey, I submitted the band Pisshorse and it got rejected, the reason being "not enough proof of metalness".

I left a link with a single sampler for a future split with Abigail the band is preparing, and in the same bandcamp link there's a couple songs from the first EP we released.

Here's a direct link:

http://pisshorse.bandcamp.com/album/trucks-ep

Thanks.


Quoting this since it was forgotten a few dozen pages ago.

Azmodes wrote:
Sorry about that. You can resubmit.


Sir, I resubmitted it and got rejected again, same reason too. What now?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:27 pm 
 

Sorry, didn't see that on the BandCamp link. Resubmit it and include that in the notes so I don't miss it :P

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Gravelander89
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:59 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Gravelander89 wrote:
The band Minblod was rejected.

You can listen to their last release here on the mediafire-link:
http://distortedcognitions.webs.com/aa.html

I have the physical release here, but actually the link should be the same music as my copy.
Let me know


I've downloaded the album and it's ultra-lo-fi, noise/dark ambient. Sounds like someone is trying to play black metal in the far-off distance, but the production is just ridiculous.


hmmpf...
I don't have any problems with the production, it's just music.
In my opinion it IS a style of Black Metal, pretty raw though, but well...

thanks for listening and for your time.

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Gravelander89
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:23 pm 
 

Another question:

I've got a copy of the last Shadovar-release here and I was worried because it's blacklisted here.
Have a listen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_E2tNatojc

It's normal Black Metal, yeah there are also Ambient-tracks on the release, but it's 50/50.

Here's the physical copy:
http://depressiveillusions.com/items/cd ... -fantasmal

Thanks in advance!

P.S.: I can upload also more BM-tracks from Shadovar if you want

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:58 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:

Uruk-Hai has been reviewed by multiple moderators and even some users provided samples from more metallic releases, but nothing ever came up that could be considered a predominantly metal release by site standards. From what you have provided so far, Eismond seems similar to Uruk-Hai in that regard.


I was very stunned about your deletion of Uruk-Hai. The MA page was the only reliable and comprehensive list of all of the project's output.

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raveneyeslikemirrors
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:07 pm 
 

I just found out that Uruk-Hai was removed from MA. You argued that their music was not 'metal enough'. In that regards, why is Mortiis and Neptune Towers listed here? Additionally, the connection to black metal culture in Uruk-Hai is undeniable, and Hugin has participated in multiple actual metal projects like Hrossharsgrani, Ravenclaw, Folkearth, and Elisabetha.

The real problem with this is that MA was the only complete and comprehensive list of the projects output in existence. The deletion of it I feel deprives fans like myself of a valuable resource in not only tracking down his limited pressings, but avoiding bootlegs, and keeping track of new releases.

My biggest argument is how can Uruk-Hai be not considered acceptable while other completely ambient projects liek the aforementioned Mortiis are permitted?

Perhaps you still have records of the discography so that I or other fans could take a list of it and post it somewhere else like Discogs, that way we have this very valuable resource?

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Gravelander89
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:56 pm 
 

raveneyeslikemirrors wrote:
I just found out that Uruk-Hai was removed from MA. You argued that their music was not 'metal enough'. In that regards, why is Mortiis and Neptune Towers listed here? Additionally, the connection to black metal culture in Uruk-Hai is undeniable, and Hugin has participated in multiple actual metal projects like Hrossharsgrani, Ravenclaw, Folkearth, and Elisabetha.

The real problem with this is that MA was the only complete and comprehensive list of the projects output in existence. The deletion of it I feel deprives fans like myself of a valuable resource in not only tracking down his limited pressings, but avoiding bootlegs, and keeping track of new releases.

My biggest argument is how can Uruk-Hai be not considered acceptable while other completely ambient projects liek the aforementioned Mortiis are permitted?

Perhaps you still have records of the discography so that I or other fans could take a list of it and post it somewhere else like Discogs, that way we have this very valuable resource?


I thought absolutely the same about Uruk-Hai, thanks for this true post.

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