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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 7:21 pm 
 

Just for reference, I'm wondering why "Haggis and Bong" have been backlisted since...I don't know when. I was guessing for because it wasn't metal enough. The 2012 release does have guitars...though I'm on the wall about it: https://soundcloud.com/haggisandbong
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iamntbatman
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 2:02 pm 
 

theunrelentingattack wrote:
iamntbatman wrote:
I have Popes Pears and thought it was decidedly unmetal. I don't remember any guitar being on the album at all actually.


Really? Did you listen to the one I linked to? Tracks 2 and 5 have guitar right from the start.
Could that be a re-record then? Either way, Fog even lists the guitar players on the page.


I checked your link and that sounded *way* more guitar-based than my version (which, like I said, I don't think had any guitar at all). I'll give it a re-listen just to verify, but that would be really interesting if they added some guitar then released a different version of the album.
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Sarneas
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 4:22 pm 
 

Hello world, I submitted a Dark Ambient project yesterday. It belongs to Munruthel, the well-known drummer from Nokturnal Mortum. It is, in fact, his first work in the genre, and given every other one is there on the MA (as Munruthel and with other names), i don't see why this one should have been rejected. I was said this was not metal, which I kind of disagree, given this genre has always been linked to Black Metal artists (only they play it), and has a lot of both conceptual and musical connections with the genre. It doesn't have drums or distortion, but it still captures the spirit. Anyways, I do not think i need to explain this for there are hundreds of Dark Ambient projects listed on the MA, some of them very similar to Silentium. I wish you reconsider your decision, i feel this should be listed as it is his first work and it is consider as one of the first Dark Ambient influences, it's kind of a big deal for us who enjoy this kind of music.

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Cursarion
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 4:52 pm 
 

Well, despite being sort of related to metal, dark ambient isn't metal. Because of that, dark ambient bands aren't automatically accepted. Bands which have released metal works too can be found from the site, but the others are selected only if they're considered notable enough.

Rules wrote:
  • Side-projects are a big debate. When does a band stop being one and starts being a full-time band? What's the difference between a solo career and a side-project, etc. Now, a side-project is a band started in parallel to another band. This is not the same thing as a band member leaving a band and forming a new one, or to join another band! For example, Soulfly is no more a side-project of Max Cavalera as Voivod is a side-project of Jason Newsted.
    One might argue that a band can start as such but can stop being one if the main band splits-up. Or that while it's reasonable to have Wongraven or Chaostar, that a country band started by a Flotsam & Jetsam member would simply look out of place on a metal site. Our answer is that we have no choice but to go with a case by case approach. It might be a little arbitrary, but it's hard to define a rule that will apply for every case of a non-metal side-project. Yes, that might mean you'll have to ask us before submitting this guy's side-project. Usually there shouldn't be any problem, but if the side-project really has nothing to do with the heavy metal scene and/or would really look out of place here, chances are, it won't be accepted.
  • Additionally, there will be some non-metal bands featured on the site that we feel are still part of the metal scene despite not being metal themselves (usually darkwave, ambient, neo-classical and/or folk bands, examples being Mortiis, Elend, Autumn Tears, Stille Volk, etc). These bands are selected by the moderators in an admittedly arbitrary fashion, and their submission by normal users is discouraged. Please bear with us on this.
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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 4:58 pm 
 

Except the band is already on the Archives. http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Munruthel/10075 I never heard the music but it appears that his later stuff is metal.
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Sarneas
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 5:03 pm 
 

That is Munruthel, not Silentium, just as Vond is not Mortiis. Silentium is the name of the project, the album is "The ancients' wisdom"

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Morkner
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 5:50 am 
 

Psyclon Nine: I know that they play Aggrotech, but ever since 'Crwn Thy Frnicatr' they have included black metal influences into their music (wikipedia actually categorises the band under black metal).

We already have electronic black metal bands such as Technophobia and Ensoph included on M.A, why not Psyclon Nine?

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aloof
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 8:17 am 
 

why are Cicutoxin blacklisted? http://cicutoxin.bandcamp.com/

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Doomsday
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 8:33 am 
 

aloof wrote:
why are Cicutoxin blacklisted? http://cicutoxin.bandcamp.com/

For being hardcore-based sludge.
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aloof
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 8:36 am 
 

ah, ok. thanks :)

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Zirt
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 8:00 am 
 

Why Zirt is blacklisted? http://zirt.bandcamp.com/

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 8:51 am 
 

It's ambient.
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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 10:48 am 
 

Morkner wrote:
Psyclon Nine: I know that they play Aggrotech, but ever since 'Crwn Thy Frnicatr' they have included black metal influences into their music (wikipedia actually categorises the band under black metal).

We already have electronic black metal bands such as Technophobia and Ensoph included on M.A, why not Psyclon Nine?

:facepalm:...

Really. Psyclon Nine...? Dude, they're as "black metal" as Hocico. And there's no gentle way to put this... Wikipedia is full of shit when it comes to genre classifications. As long as a "reliable third-party source" describes a band's music as a certain genre, the genre can technically be added. :rolleyes: And to Wikipedia, "reliable third-party sources" can include that babbling reviewer that has no clue what he's talking about. For instance, friggin' Brain Drill were listed as "/grindcore" simply based on this. :ugh:

The only BM influences you'll hear in Psyclon Nine's music are the raspy vocal styles and *some* guitars. The bulk of their discography is entirely industrial, and even if they released one fully black metal release, that wouldn't be enough to get them on the site. :rolleyes:
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DreadlockMocio
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 2:28 pm 
 

This band Blacklisted??? i think that there is an error!
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRr-qdxf3K4

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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 2:39 pm 
 

No, it's not an error. While they have some black metal influences, it wasn't enough.
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Zirt
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 8:26 am 
 

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It's ambient.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRoFG1DR ... tCB3cBQfAn

Only 2 or 3 songs are ambient, the rest is black metal.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 10:17 am 
 

Then we'll have to disagree there. It's mostly ambient with distorted guitars, no metal riffing.
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Desavenencia
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 12:06 pm 
 

- Warning: a band called "Silence The Earth" (Spain) has been blacklisted!

I found the band and when I tried to submit it, it appeared the blacklist message, why was this blacklisted?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 12:08 pm 
 

It's more ambient than metal. Last time we checked, at least (December 2012).
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Desavenencia
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 12:15 pm 
 

I would label it as symphonic black metal, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRXZHeDLcMM, not more ambient than metal, listen.

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Desavenencia
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 12:18 pm 
 

Tell me if my ears have a problem :P

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 12:19 pm 
 

We already listened to it. It varies between metal and ambient, sure, but it was eventually decided that the latter is predominant.
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Desavenencia
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 12:24 pm 
 

Fine, strange collective decision, but well, its respected.

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DeathbringerScythe
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 6:02 pm 
 

Hello I submitted Odious from Albania and was rejected http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Odious/3540364771

I find all the songs from the release for listening on youtube

Symphony of Dark Autumn

01. Overture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5ATQYIOinA
02. Symphony of Dark Autumn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAxKYu5bk4I or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLeQ-Lg9C-c
03. Season of Mystical Observe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvAk65KAzfQ
04. Downfall http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCWTK_hCVmI
05. In the Dark Elegy pt I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLeQ-Lg9C-c
06. In the Dark Elegy pt II http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o-LtKxPsSQ
07. Storm of Sorrow Abyss http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXFc9EqD4RM
08. Silent Noisy Winter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE4b5bLDcNs
09. Beyond the Creatures of Dead Passion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i6YRa5QTV8
10. Fund (the end) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QmMW4P1O2w

I think is enough proof of at least a digital release

I submitted Syrgjyn also from Albania (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Odious/3540364771) as well, is still pending but I will add links of the complete tracklist of their release that is on youtube for listening, those bands and their releases are on Spirit of Metal database also.

Menifest of Essence
01. Prelude to infinity http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht2v1zwkApU
02. An Infinity to Suffer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QAPgq7FIqw
03. Oblivion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iICORr_dabM
04. A Lost Soul And Swallows http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AQjJ8lf6YM
05. Karma Lux (Albageddon) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5aJrwF4ZpU
06. Djajtë, Jo Unë... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEb3qC7_Nxc
07. Manifest of Essence http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsFzmOYCnS8
08. Xhehenem (Bonus Track) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbaN0z0yOQI

greetings!


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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 6:06 pm 
 

Releases must be available to download, streaming-only albums (i.e. Youtube) are not considered valid releases.

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DeathbringerScythe
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 1:59 pm 
 

Ok I understand, those band have credibility though, I thought It would be good to find them in this great metal database.
sorry for the inconvenience, greetings!

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Urano
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 2:51 pm 
 

So. You do not know recognize an atmospheric black metal. The moderators are an amount of shit, garbage, a band of salted porks, idiots an assholes, I don't need this crapsite anymore. If you have some respect...well I can be banned, there is no matter. YOU MORRONS!!!

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Urano
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 2:54 pm 
 

I've deleted it you pathetic morrons. Its a lost cause agaist ignorants.

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 2:55 pm 
 

Are you high? This is not the right place for that.
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Porman
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:51 pm 
 

Salted porks? Is that some sort of third world insult? What did I miss?
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:53 pm 
 

Urano wrote:
I've deleted it you pathetic morrons. Its a lost cause agaist ignorants.

*moron.
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MercyfulKing
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:00 pm 
 

Will not understand why Lucifer's Friend was removed from the Archives. YES, i know that the majority of their discography wasn't metal BUT, Their 1st album, 2nd album and Mean Machine are Definitive metal. Here are some examples:

Cool Hand Killer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRoW4-zhsZk

Ride The Sky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVpe13BwR9c

Lucifer's Friend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_Bk-SIoUbw
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Derigin
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:46 pm 
 

Easy answer to that question. An overzealous former mod decided to take it upon his own initiative (without asking anyone) to remove it and other "70s Rock" like Flower Travellin' Band, simply because of his own personal biases. Thank you for bringing this to our attention; I'm willing to look into them again with the rest of the staff.

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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 10:24 pm 
 

From what I know of them, Lucifer's Friend were hard rock, but I'll take a look at the stuff you mentioned and discuss it with the staff as Derigin mentioned.

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 6:44 am 
 

Urano wrote:
So. You do not know recognize an atmospheric black metal. The moderators are an amount of shit, garbage, a band of salted porks, idiots an assholes, I don't need this crapsite anymore. If you have some respect...well I can be banned, there is no matter. YOU MORRONS!!!

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Thanks for the new signature. :p
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AvantChristus
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 8:25 am 
 

Years ago my project "Frater Ximenes is Dead" had been rejected because it was only "pure noise" due to the lack of a normal recording kit. Actually we're black metal and we released a demo and you can find a track on this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq8ORgtY2h4.
All the demo is Black Metal with some avantgarde elements and a moderator asked me to find a song for demostration. Here it is.
If you need to listen all the other tracks contact me through PM.

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iamntbatman
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 11:24 am 
 

Derigin wrote:
Easy answer to that question. An overzealous former mod decided to take it upon his own initiative (without asking anyone) to remove it and other "70s Rock" like Flower Travellin' Band, simply because of his own personal biases. Thank you for bringing this to our attention; I'm willing to look into them again with the rest of the staff.


Hmm, I will be interested to see what happens with this development. FTB especially are a pretty important piece of metal's development and I was sad to see them go.
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headlocker
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 12:29 pm 
 

Hey mods, why was Nuclear Devastation (Netherlands) blacklisted?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 12:38 pm 
 

headlocker wrote:
Hey mods, why was Nuclear Devastation (Netherlands) blacklisted?

Crust punk.
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 12:40 pm 
 

hmmm where is my message????

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