Live long and prosper, Canadian friends.

So, have a link for download on Sendspace here:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/w05knu

Or if you prefer I can post in orderer the musics on youtube here:
I.(its a intro with choir, I dont have this on youtube)
II.http://youtu.be/89zg6U2wpxs
III.http://youtu.be/FwATcUKS2Qs
IV.http://youtu.be/edBFaoenIs0
V.http://youtu.be/ILTIyDjGQ0E
VI.http://youtu.be/ue7uRucIx18

I'll check it out, inpitch.


Wee-ell, you don't sound too convinced yourself. I'd like to stress (again, I guess?) that things like this should only be brought up if the user doing so feels confident about the band's validity. "Not sure myself, but maybe you guys say yes" is kind of annoying to deal with, to be honest. No offense, you're usually very thorough and reasonable with these things, Muhammad, but please stick to cases where you yourself are convinced, not potential candidates that still can go either way even in your opinion.

The tracks from "Jesus Freak" you posted sound predominantly punk/hard rock and -as you said- grungy to me. Didn't listen to the supposedly metallic ones from previous releases, but cherry-picked single songs... you know the drill.

@Inpitch: Nah, this is still unacceptable, no real change. Ambient with some guitar strumming and black metal screaming, not metal. Stop trying, please.

at least one complete response, thanks for listening, and sorry for the "work" that I caused here.

Warning: a band called "Kliav" (Brazil) has been blacklisted! Your submission will NOT go through.
If you think this is an error, please ask in this forum thread. Attempting to circumvent the blacklist is a bannable offense. Thank you.

Why?

Borderline groove/mallcore.

I have a question as to what is considered a valid release...

I have submitted several bands: Vimana (only having a 4 EP release), Bill Pulmonary Embolism (only having a 5 song EP), Hörnery (only having a 5 song Demo), and American (only having a 6 song Demo), but I tried adding Souls of Aries (having a 5 song EP plus an extra 3 singles) and Northern Sword (having a 4 song Demo plus an extra single), and their reason for not being accepted is because apparently it isn't enough for a digital release accepted by this site. So I'm really confused by this...

My band submission got rejected two days ago, and I resubmitted the profile with evidence. I'm posting on here as well to contest the rejection with the same evidence in hopes that this time around it will get approved. as of right now it's just pending.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w32/ ... photo6.jpg

Edit: Sorry forgot to post this: https://www.reverbnation.com/deianathem ... r_icon_nav

Our Reverbnation account with a song from that Promo for further evidence.

Well, did you read this? The band has to match those criteria, and the big bolded text saying "moderator discretion applies" very relevant.

"if the digital album shows true effort and professionalism, it has much higher chances of being accepted than a random collection of garage-sounding songs in a .rar called "demo 1" that will lead to a 404 page in two weeks" so this means that if it's a half-assed release, which both Souls of Aries and Northern Sword don't have.

AEDH is a band I recently submitted. It was rejected on the grounds that proof of the existence of the demo was required. Here is a photo of one of the tapes



Copies can be acquired directly from the band at the email that was put in the additional notes section.

Which is why I said this (and forgot the verb): 'the big bolded text saying "moderator discretion applies" [is] very relevant.'

I am unfamiliar with the bands, but I briefly checked Hörnery, Vimana and Northern Sword (couldn't find a trace of Souls of Aries for some reason). Hörnery's demo is mastered and Vimana's previous name is already on the site and their EP is sold on iTunes, while Northern Sword's demo has a slightly worse production than the other two, and that "single" of theirs has a blank white "cover art". So they indeed seem a little less professional. Small things can matter. In the end it's up to the moderator(s).

"if the digital album shows true effort and professionalism, it has much higher chances of being accepted than a random collection of garage-sounding songs in a .rar called "demo 1" that will lead to a 404 page in two weeks" so this means that if it's a half-assed release, which both Souls of Aries and Northern Sword don't have.[/quote]
Which is why I said this (and forgot the verb): 'the big bolded text saying "moderator discretion applies" [is] very relevant.'

I am unfamiliar with the bands, but I briefly checked Hörnery, Vimana and Northern Sword (couldn't find a trace of Souls of Aries for some reason). Hörnery's demo is mastered and Vimana's previous name is already on the site and their EP is sold on iTunes, while Northern Sword's demo has a slightly worse production than the other two, and that "single" of theirs has a blank white "cover art". So they indeed seem a little less professional. Small things can matter. In the end it's up to the moderator(s).[/quote]


Here:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/soul ... d378982456

It is important to keep in mind that accepting digital bands with non-full-length releases should be regarded as an exception where several circumstances help in showing the band's validity, or what has now mostly been referred to as "professionalism" (in that sense this term is becoming a bit of a polysemic offspring of the common meaning, but yeah). We still very much prefer clear-cut full-lengths with cover art, artistic "gestalt", solid duration (30+ minutes) and salient, obvious distribution (we prefer physical stuff even more).

I've watched one (quite predictable) trend since the policy change, the trend that many digital bands without what could be called full-lengths have been submitted and approved now. More than the wording in the rules might suggest. Sometimes they had more than one release, sometimes not. There are even some with only a demo. But there often are no clear-cut boundaries between a demo and an EP (there's bands calling their crummy first release/song conglomeration an EP, there's bands with a demo that easily destroys half the Brazilian DSBM stuff we have listed in terms of artistic integrity). Also definitely not when it comes to sheer length. As such, release category on the site shouldn't always be taken too seriously in that regard. In other words, there's lots of solid EP-length stuff out there. But caution is to be had.

We've discussed (some of) Nhb55840's bands briefly in the mods channel and RonimuZ has already given some reasons for why certain bands were approved and some others not. It can't be stressed enough how case-by-case this is and -seeing as we've not yet gone Borg- mod discretion varies, although we try to have some internal discussion as often as possible. Maybe some such bands that were rejected should/might have been approved, overall picture/accepted precedence considered. Maybe, probably. All possible. But the point here is that we can't keep arguing and comparing dozens of maybe-ish bands over and over again. That ends nowhere. We never claimed 100% consistency, but we try to come close to it while also remaining in the realm of practical feasibility in maintaining the "vision" we have for this database. What some people don't seem to get is that the digital release guidelines are not a binary thing that should automatically, unquestionably allow this band in and keep another band out. It is closer to metalness in this, as the very nature of digital distribution and possibilities makes it a world of many colourful constellations that don't always allow for neatly working through a discrete checklist.

Personally, I'd prefer it if people would take it easy in that regard and not try to squeeze every single digital demo/non-full-length band they can find into the ole band processing serpent to try to see whether they make it or not. This frenzied shotgun submission mentality is endemic to the queue, no doubt, and I also don't want to condemn people for trying to contribute. Not at all. But if you choose to submit that kind of blurry stuff in terms of release validity (has a passable cover art maybe, but rather short, called a demo by the band, hmhm, etc...) you have to expect puzzling results sometimes. It's not much different than submitting borderline blackgaze, metalcore, progressive rock/metal or what-have-you. We appreciate people trying to add to the site's completeness, but don't throw everything you find that's pushing the guidelines at us. It's kinda hard to express myself properly here, as I don't want to sound like a lazy bastard that wants people to play it safe all the time so he doesn't have to do so much work. That's not it, but it's pretty obvious that some people are a little too trigger-happy when it comes to submitting stuff. Yes, metal as defined by the site is not everybody's cup o' tea to gauge, but the digital release guidelines are -if I may say so- pretty logical and comprehensible (we might update them over time, though ). We tried to make the rules on digital stuff as reasonable yet realistically workable with as possible, but it's a slippery subject still. What we do not want is having the criteria getting forced lower and lower, which is a tendency that naturally happens and is brought on by users trying to push the envelope, consciously or not. Sometimes folks are aware of the rules but want to see if they can fit something in right below the boundaries regardless. That's annoying and it also threatens to drag us into eventually approving what we wanted to avoid by the "valid release" rule. Namely projects that are little more than nascent demo acts that may or may not endure beyond that "phase" as opposed to projects with a release which can with some certainty establish a band as serious and with a somewhat lasting "legacy".

Yes, but to counter what RonimuZ had said about quality, I had submitted a band called Sloth Herder with a production quality that appears worse than both Souls of Aries and Northern Sword, yet it gets approved...

You can resubmit, add the link in the submission notes so it won't be missed.

I meant on the site. I checked the details of Northern Sword's rejection and brought it up with other mods because at first glance the case looked quite similar to that of Hörnery and Vimana. However, like I said, it turned out the details mattered. While the decision may depend on moderator, a moderator always has a reason to decide yes or no. I trust whoever rejected Souls of Aries had a good reason, and I have no interest in looking into it... Even if I could listen to tracks on iTunes.

And regarding Sloth Herder, without knowing this case either, they seem to have two EPs out. That's more than one.

Anyway, what's your point? Would you rather have had it rejected too? I'd suggest you to read Azmodes' post again, it's very informative and it answers pretty much everything you've asked, and more.

No, what I said about Sloth Herder is that it has questionable quality, that has now been brought to my attention after Souls of Aries and Northern Sword's rejections, so I didn't see the problem with the two band's quality after re-listening to them, yet it still doesn't madder because Azmodes' post goes way deeper than quality. The main reason I wanted to add Souls of Aries is because of Ian Bearer (Vocalist of Rings of Saturn, Ex- Under a Dead Sky), for this is his original band.

Just wondering why Tarpaulin, the United States black metal project, has been black listed?

If they have a valid release, it's probably the "they're not a metal band" reason. They were considered noise.

Gatekeeper were rejected because I should "wait for the official release date" before submitting, although it has obviously been released, as (of now) six users of collection website musik-sammler.de claim to own it [1] and some of them claim they received the release in question (see [2] and another user's post some sites before that). One of them also provided scans of the actual medium and the tray card.

Oh yeah, I forgot: The release date the label mentions is the very accurate "shipping out on or around 11 March 2013", which hasn't been updated or revised in months. Seems an arbitrary release date trumps actual physical availability of a release. Quoting the site's rules: "This demo/album must be released already". There's imho no better way of releasing stuff than to send it to multiple customers in other countries (The label being portuguese and the users of musik-sammler being mainly from german-speaking countries).

[1] http://www.musik-sammler.de/media/861113
[2] http://www.musik-sammler.de/forum/viewt ... 01#p782901
[3] http://aforjalabelmailorder.bandcamp.com/

Restored and points awarded.

Though why did you enter March 11th as the release date for the album, if you yourself say it's only an outdated approximation?

BlankXpression were rejected for being rock. Yes, they have a lot of rock intros but after those productions the riffs are metal. They are a 90's metal band from El Paso with rock influences.

Nevermind, relistening to them right now, while they do have metal riffs they are more rock then metal. Thank you and sorry.

You know that you can delete your posts, right? Also, would be cool if you could stop asking why bands are rejected all the time...

Nope, I didn't even know about editing the post until I was told I could. I don't always ask. Lord Green was rejected, I didn't ask
Isn't this thread meant to ask moderators why bands were rejected or blacklisted?

And deleted.

Let's not get pedantic, eh? And yes, this is the right thread for these kind of questions. The keywords in my post were all the time though.

Hey, I submitted the band Pisshorse and it got rejected, the reason being "not enough proof of metalness".

I left a link with a single sampler for a future split with Abigail the band is preparing, and in the same bandcamp link there's a couple songs from the first EP we released.

Here's a direct link:

http://pisshorse.bandcamp.com/album/trucks-ep

Thanks.

Burst Bowel, Brutal death metal from Campobasso (Italy) have released their Promo cd via Warhell Records but even if I submitted this band two or three times, it was always rejected. C'mon

hello everybody

i submitted an italian band, Hidden Circle, but it was rejected due to the fact that it has been considered southern rock and not southern Metal.
They clearly play southern/groove METAL if you hear some tracks:

http://youtu.be/wGhM-vmg75A

thanks !

Hi.
The band called "Venowl" (United States) was blacklisted.
Do this link prove that the rules have been followed? -> http://venowl.bandcamp.com/album/gnawed ... e-and-bone
Will you accept the band now?
Thank you.

Lightning Strikes band rejected.Why ? They play metal in Iron Maiden vein and had 7" rpm single back in 1985.)

http://www.popsike.com/LIGHTNING-STRIKE ... 92914.html



As far as samples go, I can leave you my phone number and I play record when you call me.I do not have abilities or time to do mp3s.

A.S.S. from Detroit was blacklisted for being "not metal"...erm, excuse me if I sound a bit brash, but what would you possibly say is metal if you do not consider this band metal? Here is their Reverbnation page with samples from their new EP that came out last week

http://www.reverbnation.com/assmetalband

Hello!

I'm B.M. from the band Annorkoth and just wonder why my project is blacklisted.
I have released ambient stuff for free, but also I have physical releases which are all metal.

Here's my latest album The Last Days 2013:
Proof of physical release: http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5642/5 ... 219588.jpg
Proof of being metal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWBnOPm-C_M

Also, my first album Annorkoth 2012:
Proof of physical release: http://depressiveillusions.com/sites/de ... 105239.JPG
Proof of being metal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CcMcrzMTV0

And another one, the split with Olum:
Proof of physical release: http://depressiveillusions.com/sites/de ... 186948.JPG
Proof of being metal (it's an Austere cover): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N13L_dTbvns

If you don't accept that, I don't get it. Why the band Lustre is there then? Tell me please.
Thanks and cheers.

they said please provide a link to show the metalness of Anthems of isolation

this is a link to clear that the band is a funeral doom with all elements of metalness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X7uPTERtuw

Sorry mate, but that's noise. No guitar riffs whatsoever. Shitload of distortion and ugliness, but that won't make it metal.


Sure, you willing to PayPal me the cost for an international phone call too? If you don't have the abilities or time to perform an MP3 rip... well, sorry to put this harshly, but that's your problem, not ours. A more realistic approach would probably be to dub a copy of the tape and post it to a moderator - preferably one based in Europe, if you want a quicker response.


Taken off the blacklist, I see that the CD's now being distributed by a label. You can now resubmit.


Sounds like rock with some metallic overtones. There might be an odd metal riff popping out here and there, but the core of the music is heavily rooted in rock. There were also a few -core influences too, which indicates metal isn't the only genre the band was taking influences from.


Sorry, those song samples you provided were all driven entirely by keyboards. There was a repeated guitar note being dragged in the background that added atmosphere, but didn't carry the music. When "atmospheric black metal" is carried by keyboards and ambience, it's just ambient.


Because Lustre has at least one album with songs predominantly driven by metallic guitar riffs.


Funeral doom? Are you joking...? This entire demo is pure ambience/drone, I just finished listening to the thing. Nice stuff though, but it was completely void of any discernible guitar work at all. Doom metal vocals isn't going to make your ambient project a metal one, people!

Well, thanks for clearing all the things. I was just curious because I'm tired of people constantly asking me why I'm not on MA when my project is obviously metal and I finally decided to ask you guys by myself.
You're the ONLY website though, who thinks that I'm not metal. Funny haha
I'm not sure how you can listen to music when you can't hear distorted and solo guitars. Ambient parts in the background are repeating guitar notes, for additional atmosphere.

Well, thanks for clearing all the things up. Cheers guys.

You could say we're the only website with a realistic perception of what's actually metallic.

Having electric guitars doesn't mean your project is metal... <_<